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[QUOTE=Rock Harders; 417073]Mongers-
RE-ELECT OBAMA! He finally got the job done that the Neo-Con War Criminals couldn't despite their eight years in office. If the Neo-Con War Criminals hadn't illegally and unnecessarily invaded Iraq this day would have probably happened many years ago. RE-ELECT OBAMA!
Suerte,
Rock Harders[/QUOTE]A Commander-In-Chief We Can Believe In!
But Wally and "The Donald" insist on seeing the long form autopsy report and want to ask Obama what took him so long!
Spend time fucking with dead squirrel head Trump, or......
Obama didn't do a damn thing but give authorization to take him out and I am quite frankly surprised the pussy had the guts to do it.
If you want to praise anyone, try the intelligence assets at CIA, NSA, NRO (ie all the folks working in signals intelligence) and the military, in particular the Navy who carried out the strike. Give credit where credit is due and it is not Obama.
[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 417076]Obama didn't do a damn thing but give authorization to take him out and I am quite frankly surprised the pussy had the guts to do it.
If you want to praise anyone, try the intelligence assets at CIA, NSA, NRO (ie all the folks working in signals intelligence) and the military, in particular the Navy who carried out the strike. Give credit where credit is due and it is not Obama. [/QUOTE]Were it Bush the Neo-Cons would be on their collective knees sucking on his unit for all they're worth.
Ok do the victory lap but tonorrow we still have the deficit and the debt ceiling to deal with. Obama is good at standing on others accomplishments and this is a great victory for America, but the mess he has created over the last 2 1/2 years us still going to be here on Tuesday when the headlines fade, gas goes to $5 a gallon, and the economy stalls.
I'll give credit where credit is due. Interrogators at Gitmo, our intelligence community, and special ops deserve almost all of the credit for getting this job done. They have kept at it for 10 years.
While I am willing to concede that Obama deserves credit for giving the OP the 'ok' by taking any credit at all, he is proving to everyone that he is either a complete fraud and hypocrite or that he is about to change his fundamental positions on the military, intelligence and interrogations.
His 'credit' should be viewed in the full context should of where he stands on all of the above. Without any evidence, he gave credence to false claims of torture at Gitmoi, he has always been anti-US military and anti-intelligence. Therefore, this political 'win' for him came as a byproduct of things that he fundamentally opposes. If Obama had got his way on any of the above issues, the opportunity for the successful raid never would have presented itself.
That for which Barry does deserve some credit is that he gave the 'OK' to go ahead and make the strike within Pakistan, ostensibly without Pakistani approval (however, some reports have Pakistani intelligence agents within the compound when the raid took place so, we'll see about that). That said, he had absolutely no choice but to act. His numbers are in the basement and this is a good political move for him. If he didn't act, no matter what the excuse (it's in Pakistan, whatever) he would be finished in US politics forever. This would be true of the president no matter who he is. Clinton in the only known POTUS to pass up a free kill shot at Bin Laden. The only reason he has survived that is because it was pre-911.
What will be interesting is what happens next with Pakistan. There is no way ISI didn't know about Bin Laden's presence and there is no way Bin Laden was sheltered there without some level of govt approval or secret ISI approval. I think I read that they built the place in 2005. I'd be interested as to the exact time line of the connecting of the dots.
Regardless of the political stuff, the world is a better place without Bin Laden. Now we just need to eliminate the rest of the anti-Western Jihadis. Looks like we'll need more interrogations, intelligence and military power.
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;417079]Ok do the victory lap but tonorrow we still have the deficit and the debt ceiling to deal with. Obama is good at standing on others accomplishments and this is a great victory for America, but the mess he has created over the last 2 1/2 years us still going to be here on Tuesday when the headlines fade, gas goes to $5 a gallon, and the economy stalls.[/QUOTE]You are right that the deficit and the debt will be much more challenging than Osama, but attributing the financial mess to the Obama administration is a bit of a stretch. You seem to have forgotten about the economic mess created by the Bush administration over 8 years.
[QUOTE=Lefeu;417081]You are right that the deficit and the debt will be much more challenging than Osama, but attributing the financial mess to the Obama administration is a bit of a stretch. You seem to have forgotten about the economic mess created by the Bush administration over 8 years.[/QUOTE]Technically, I think was 7-1/2 years of strong economic growth, followed by 6 months of "economic mess".
Of course, many liberals choose to focus on the final 6 months of the Bush presidency alone because it serves their political agenda, never mind that the Dems played a major roll in the events that caused the housing bubble / mortgage crisis, but that too is ignored by some individuals while chanting their mantra "[I]the economic mess created by the Bush administration[/I]".
Thanks,
Jackson
We've been hearing for more than two years how everything bad about the US was inherited from Bush. I don't think I'll hold my breath to hear any liberals point out that the means and methods that caught Osama were inherited from Bush, too.
[QUOTE=Wild Walleye;417083]We've been hearing for more than two years how everything bad about the US was inherited from Bush. I don't think I'll hold my breath to hear any liberals point out that the means and methods that caught Osama were inherited from Bush, too.[/QUOTE]Do you mean that...
[size=3][b]"It's George Bush's fault?"[/b][/size]
[QUOTE=Jackson; 417088]Do you mean that.
Jackson. I know you are too much of a pussy to share this with your members, but just so you understand why Osama survived the W years and that if McCain had won Osama would be out there planning his next one. Read on!
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"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority. I am truly not that concerned about him."
So said President George W. Bush on March 13, 2002 during a press briefing at his Texas Ranch in response to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts.
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In July 2008, Larry King interviewed McCain and asked him: "If you were president and knew that bin Laden was in Pakistan, you know where, would you have USA forces go in after him?"
McCain said: "I'm not going to go there. Pakistan is a sovereign nation."
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During the McCain-Obama Debate, Oct. 7,2008, so sayeth BARACK OBAMA: "If we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to take them out, then I think that we have to act and we will take them out.
We will kill bin Laden.
We will crush Al Qaida.
That has to be our biggest national security priority."
Sunday May 1, 2011. Promise fulfilled!
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I'll give Obama credit for continuing the covert ops. He has violated many of his campaign pledges where the military is concerned (Gitmo, Iraq pullout, etc). Generally, he has been smart to violate these pledges, although one could argue that he shouldn't have made the promises in the first place. But, one thing he was clear on from the start is this: He would continue to try to hunt down terrorists while in office. He has kept that promise. Today, he deserves some of the credit. Bravo.
In terms of claims that Obama is not responsible for our current financial condition: Remember, the recession [i]ended[/i] In June of 2009, six months after Obama took office. Obama was quick to trumpet his success in ending it. So, what's he been doing for the past two years? He owns it at this point, and the public is very tired of hearing him try to shift responsibility to others. He's very quick to claim credit when it's not entirely due him (he ended the recession and now nabbed bin Laden). But, he's also very quick to try to pin all the blame on someone else, even when he owns some (our poor economy is entirely someone else's fault; he didn't start the war in Afghanistan).
Finally, as to Trump: There's no doubt that many successful businessmen have started ventures that have failed. But, there's a very big difference between a failed business venture and bankruptcy. Most failed businesses don't file a bankruptcy petition or have one filed against them. And, you don't get a "do over" if you run the country into the rocks, which is why so many are concerned with Obama in office. As a capper on Trump, however, I would just point out that he was registered to vote as a Democrat until 2009. It seems he's only "seen the light" since becoming a reality TV star. Him I could live without.
A great day for all Americans.
After watching the news coverage the past couple hours, I am still awed by how this all went down. Scripted right out of an action movie, almost flawless execution, no US casualties, they got the body and seized hard drives, etc from the compound as well. In and out in less than an hour. Brilliant.
Far better dead than caught alive. Close the book on this chapter, it's done. Also impressive (and revealing) were no tip-offs to the Pakistanis. Pakistan cannot be trusted.
A credit to both the past and current administrations that laid the groundwork and completed the mission, and the Navy SEALs and all military who have worked towards this goal for almost a decade. The fight against terrorism will continue, but this is a big deal and a proud moment.
[QUOTE=Jackson; 417082]Technically, I think was 7-1/2 years of strong economic growth, followed by 6 months of "economic mess".
Of course, many liberals choose to focus on the final 6 months of the Bush presidency alone because it serves their political agenda, never mind that the Dems played a major roll in the events that caused the housing bubble / mortgage crisis, but that too is ignored by some individuals while chanting their mantra "[I]the economic mess created by the Bush administration[/I]".
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Jackson[/QUOTE]"The extraordinary bailout of the financial sector was financed by ordinary tax-paying Americans – to the tune of almost $13 trillion, according to Bloomberg. That's $42, 000 for every man, woman and child in the United States: probably the single most egregious transfer of wealth from poor to rich in the history of the world. And the same bankers we bailed out are now back to business as usual, with the top four USA banks paying out $84 billion in bonuses last year."
This article is for you jefe: [url]http://www.sacbee.com/2011/05/01/3590601/myths-about-state-workers-mask.html#storylink=misearch[/url]
Thanks,
Hgl
Hgl, Your article is a load of crap. The US taxpayer isn't going to pay anywhere near $13 trillion to bale out financial institutions. And "el jefe" was on the record here from the start as believing the government shouldn't have wasted any of the taxpayers' hard earned money on this. If Obama et al are to continue spending like drunken sailors, then there's no choice but to start taking resources away from relatively well off Americans, like government employees. You can take every dime the rich make and you won't balance the budget, if Obama, Pelosi and Reid were to get their way.