Madahos

Last time I was there the dancers looked the best. Are they available. How are they best approached? When they took a break they disappeared.

Thanks for the input.

WhiteCat,

I've heard the dancers are sometimes available. But the fees are double or triple the normal fees (both for the girl and for her drink) You can discuss with your waiter about the dancer (s) you are interested in. Tell him you want to take the girl out, not just buy her a drink. You are willing to pay a 'reasonable' fee but no more. Hopefully he will give you correct information. He will speak with the dancer and send her over if she's interested. A 10-20p tip to him would be appropriate. If the fees are too high, you could also ask her for her phone number to hook up another time outside the club.

I've never done this. But in a roundabout way I've had 2 dancers from Madahos over the years. One a few years ago when dancing was banned in the clubs for a few weeks. I picked up a girl in Black who said she was a dancer in Madahos (and had the body to prove it) The other two years ago I took out Giselle who was a regular girl at the time, and then later became a Madahos dancer.

For fun I did some calculations to put the Recoleta price increases in perspective. I've used Madahos price structure as an example. Comments welcome.

2005
Entry- 30p.
Chica Drink- 50p.
Chica- 275p (avg 250-300)
Tip- 20p.
Total- 375p.
(375p)/(2.90p/USD) = $130 USD.

2007
Entry- 50p.
Chica Drink- 80p.
Chica- 375p (avg 350-400)
Tip- 20p.
Total- 525p.
(525p)/(3.10p/USD) = $170 USD.

10 visits to Madahos (or similar Recoleta club)
2005- $1300
2007- $1700
Local Increase = 400/1300 = 30% = 15% annual.
Increase vs Income = 400/3000* = 14% = 7% annual.

* Assumes increase in disposable income of $3000 USD over 2 years.

[QUOTE=Esten]For fun I did some calculations to put the Recoleta price increases in perspective. I've used Madahos price structure as an example. Comments welcome.

2005

(375p)2.90p / USD) = $130 USD.

2007

(525p)3.10p / USD) = $170 USD.[/QUOTE]You have to consider weakness in the dollar as well and its fall relative to other currencies. It's not all necessarily a function of inflation. If you do the same calculations with euro:

October 2005 $130 USD = €108

October 2007 $170 USD = €118

Total Change 9.3% or 4.6% per year. That isn't really all that bad. If you're getting paid in euro it doesn't suck. Real life implications: huge budget deficits in the US have weakened the currency so the Iraq war makes the hotties at Madahos less affordable.

The place was packed with good looking women last night. I was talking to one girl and then I saw a girl I had a crazy 3 some with my last trip. I ended up taking her home.

We had a discussion about the chica drinks. There is no "time limit" Its made up by the girls. Also the "minimum price" is told by the club to be no less than 350 pesos.

This being said if the girl likes you it does not matter.

I paid 300 + drink to get her out and she was here until 11 am.

There is something nice about waking up and having a very hot chica next to you and getting your morning wood taken care of first thing in the morning.

I think another 3 some is in order for another day.

The best upscale boliche club around, better than Blacks. When you envision visiting Buenos Aires for the first time and think of the gorgeous women, your thinking about this place. But the best comes with a price. 60p entrance includes a drink. Chica drinks are 100p. Take out, average about 400p 1 1/2 hrs, but after intense negotiations. If your really lucky, maybe 300p 1 1/2 hrs. Last time I was here 5 months ago, chicas were readily available for 300p take out, some even 250p, now its much harder. But the overall ambience is upscale and polished with the shows. Its a very cool place to hang out.

Dos Luna

You get what you pay for with atmosphere. The girls are better looking than most, but it is still luck and a little skill to have a good first experience with a new girl. My most recent madahos special was 400 pesos, she stayed a few hours.

She was beautiful--9.0 to 9.5--face, body--the works. I chatted her up for at least 30 minutes and had good vibs, but in the apartment----the discussion about the promised bbbj poisoned the rest of the experience. Then she decided that although dfk was ok at the club, it was not promised in the apartment. You get the drift.

Some of my best experiences have been at the recoleta high end clubs and lots of mediocre wastes of leche--at 55
I only have so much leche per week.

My recent week in ba lead to 6 encounters. The two worst were the most expensive--blacks and madahos.

I agree with your comment on the atmosphere - Madahos is excellent in that regard. So too is Black. Things have changed alot. Previously the clubs did not have good dancers, the atmosphere was not great, and quite frankly, the main objective was to grab a girl and get out as quick as possible. On the other hand, the quality of chica was extremely high and the prices were not as insulting as they are today. Consistent with the inconsistency of Argentina, the more girls there are in a club, the higher the prices and the lower the quality of service (it should be the opposite)

These days, with Black and Madahos, unless you know a girl from a previous encounter, it is just too risky taking out a chica. Besides, look at what is available on the internet and the pricing, then compare it to a night in Madahos or Blacks. Supreme sex experiences from Area Vip range from 300 to 400, and there is no risk of poor performance as most of the chicas are known entities. Platynum and Baires? Well, from 100 to 300, and you get a guaranteed good time. Compare that with the Russian Roulette of Madahos and Black.

Anyway, this year I made a good few visits to both of these clubs. I NEVER enter with a "must leave with a chica" attitude. I always have in my pocket phone numbers of internet girls who work during the night (Baires Girls has a list of Saturday, Sunday, Feriado and all night girls) On 3 occasions this year I took girls out of Madahos, I already knew 1 of them, and paid them 250, 300 and 350 pesos. In fact, one of them was an all nighter as it suited her not to travel home.

During the year I took 4 girls out of Black for 400, 450, 350 and 500 pesos. I knew two of these girls from before, and each time I went in after 2.30 on a Saturday night.

In both clubs, 50 pesos is quite a good deal to sit and watch the dancers - who I think are just awesome (I plan to marry and have children with one of the Blackettes)

On a few occasions, I have gone on to Salome and Cocodrilo. Coco is a great place as some of the Recoleta chicas go there after 4 am, and charge 150 to 200 pesos. Salome, for my money, at 10 pesos a drink, is always worth a drive-by, and the telo used by the chicas there has some excellent rooms (jacuzzis, all around mirrors and sex furniture)

On the new codes of behaviour in the Recoleta clubs: this crap about a chica demanding you buy her a drink before telling you her rate - ciao, go and find another fool. That sort of carry-on belongs outside the strip clubs on Corrientes.

Another thing - the chicas in Madahos are very fond of claiming that the management demand they charge at least 400 pesos, and because of that they cannot go any lower. That is the excuse they throw out. This is a bald and brutal lie. The Madahos management do not care a toss what the girls charge. The thing the management controls rigorously is the time the girl spends with each client (the girl actually signs out)

Finally, last time I was in Black and was negotiating price - the chica said - yo cobro 900 pesos. I replied - vos cobras cuando yo te pago. She thought this was a laugh and I ended up paying 500 pesos. The point of the anecdote is: the price is not what the chica asks for, it is what you agree to pay.

These days, I have fun negotiating price - I view it as foreplay and am extremely diligent in the development of my technique.

Sorry for going on so long. Although I have long read this forum, I don't contribute. But, I was reading some of the Madahos and Black reports and I wanted to contribute my experience. For what it is worth, the Foro Escorts forum has called a boycott on Madahos.

Happy Hunting

Great first post Deebeeay. Welcome to the forum.

Excellent post and everything stated is quite true.

Exon

"the price is not what the chica asks for, it is what you agree to pay."

That should be the base of every monger to consider himself a graduated monger. Unfortunally, that does not happens often. And that's the reason for Madaho took so much prestige among the touristy mongering scene.

In year 2000, Madaho used to be a limousine rental agency. I remember the glasses and the limos inside and the gay-taxi-boys were in the corner of the grave yard along with some travestites. In fact, some travestites moved just two blocks away, close to Pueyrredon a few years ago, and I don't know if they still there, as I'm not into it.

However, Black is an old time classic, and Madaho is the brand new shiny competitor, took a similar place, feeded by the mongering tourism. Guys who want to stay at Recoleta and as you mentioned, overpay and get submitted to these bad-performing girls. YOU ARE the monger, and what happened to "the client has the prerogative"?

I think it's unavoidable the crowd get informed about better places to go, such as mentioned, cocodrilo, or having a list from AV and other sources. But I also think that if you don't have good communication skills and after all, you are traveling for sex, not everyone is able to pay an admission to enter as you did, without the "must leave with a chica" attitude. The thing is, many of the mongers are in town for just a week, or just few days. That makes us understand that overpaying may result, looked by the individual point of view, less expensive than traveling down to BA for entering to the club for just watching and conversation.

I understand that is the key that made possible not only for Madaho, but for other clubs to succeed. And that is also the key that made girls to feel they are in the freeway with secured clients for rise their fees, and not only that, but disrespecting the client. Let me add that that many of the girls, at some point they buy their own lie, (after all, Madaho, and other clubs are the imitation of a normal club, where you buy a nice lady a drink and kindly invite her to leave with you to another place) and they think they are going for a date, the mentality of both girl and client gets confused at some point and (some times) she takes advantage because she confuses a guy who treats her gently and she translates that behavior into weakness. As they can also smell the desperation of a short-mongering visit to Buenos Aires.

Two very interessant post. That opened wide my mind.

MSCE could you translate AV as I don't find it in forum's abbreviations.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Kleinberg]Two very interessant post. That opened wide my mind.

MSCE could you translate AV as I don't find it in forum's abbreviations.

Thanks[/QUOTE]AV= Area Vip.

[url]www.area-vip.com.ar[/url]

[url]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3007[/url]

[QUOTE=MCSE]AV= Area Vip.

[url]www.area-vip.com.ar[/url]

[url]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3007[/url][/QUOTE]How dummy am I. Shame on me;)

Reading other posts I realise how ignorant I am of the reality of the business traveler and tourists. These poor devils do not have time to kill and tend to be desperate to score some tail before returning to their own little sex hell. Also, although I have strong reservations about Madahos and Black, they are the only two places I feel comfortable recommending to guys in on a business trip. For all their weaknesses, both are extremely professional establishments. I would not dream of suggesting an out of towner wind his weary way to Cocodrilo.

MCSE - these forums are the world of the client / monger. There is an entirely different world - that of the provider. This came to mind when I read about ". The lies the chicas tell themselves.". There is a world of lies going on between the girls themselves. Especially regarding how much they receive from a client. In other words, the prices are actually inflated by lies. One girl says she receives 400 (when she only received 300) and so it goes on. Next thing there is a price increase. All based on fiction. The story of the newcomer holding his ground on 250 pesos with a Black girl, does not surprise me a bit. I find that 100% credible.

The amound of snobbishness going on amongst the girls is earth shattering. Oddly enough, being a gringo can be an advantage as practically all the girls want to be seen leaving with a gringo. It elevates their status with their colleagues. I guess the trick is work out what it is worth to her to leave with you and not one of the notoriously mean Argentines (you wouldn't believe some of the scams the Argentines pull)

Finally, the chicas also enjoy telling their pals that their client is a "piloto, doctor, abogado". The importance placed on professions and careers is absurd (as it is in the country in general)

I am going to try this myself, but if someone wants to give it a go before me I would be interested in the results.". I am a doctor in town at a medical conference.". Could be interesting as, while they occupy a position of prestige in Argentina, they are in general poorly paid. And for the spanish challenged."medico. Conferencia. Poco dinero. Muy pobre.". I mean, who is going to overcharge and give a bad service to a doctor?

Who knows, if this is a good strategy, might not be a bad idea to invent a monthly medical conference.

Is this wrong?