American Politics during the Obama Presidency

And likewise here's some background on Stan for new readers.

Quite some time ago, he announced he wasn't going to respond to me, because he considered me a liar. Since then there have been a couple lapses. But for the most part he has been true to his word.

However, he often takes a 'jab' at me. Such efforts include socialist labels, or trying to discredit my posts.

I find this all rather amusing, and really have little interest in debating him either way.

But his persistent efforts at discreditation are telling.

Why would someone be so persistent in trying to discredit another person? It seems to me the only explanation is that other person poses some kind of threat. In fact, Stan knows quite well I do my own research, which I often link to in my posts. No doubt it bothers him when I expose the flaws in conservative arguments. Although he has vowed not to respond to me, he is far from indifferent.

If you can't win debating your opponent, sling some mud. That is Stan's specialty.

[QUOTE=Esten;418145]Why would someone be so persistent in trying to discredit another person?.[/QUOTE]What other purpose do you serve on the political thread buddy! You certainly are totally out of touch with America. Tick! Tick! Tick! Get reaqdy for a morman president! Happy Mongering Esten. Toymann

PS: Are you ready for another bet buddy? You just escaped our last bet with you life intact! LOL. BARELY! May I suggest we put a madahos night on the next presidential election. We'll keep it easy. Democrat President you win! Republican President I win! Other? Call it a tie. LOL. The bet won't end in a tie! LOL

[QUOTE=Toymann; 418150]What other purpose do you serve on the political thread buddy! You certainly are totally out of touch with America. Tick! Tick! Tick! Get reaqdy for a morman president! Happy Mongering Esten. Toymann.

Ps. Are you ready for another bet buddy? You just escaped our last bet with you life intact! LOL[/QUOTE]You rooting for Romney? Can't help but notice the infighting going on with his refusal to sign the abortion pledge. Krauthammer and O'Reilly are saying it isn't fair that many people will simply read the headline and pass unfavorable judgement on Romney without understanding his reasons. Gee, sounds a lot like what conservatives do with Obama and Dems all the time. The GOP machinery working against itself.

Yes it appears Romney will emerge the nominee, but I'd love to see the "establishment" squirm if somehow a Tea Partier like Bachmann wins it. They don't decide for another year though. A full year of listening to all these candidates trash Obama. They'll provide media deflection from Repubs in DC working to stall the economy. Not a bad strategy.

We'll see if the full power of the GOP machine has what it takes to defeat Obama. I'm still betting on Obama but it will be close. Toymann we're on but let's wait and see who your nominee is before we establish terms.

Michele Bachmann Signs Book Deal With Conservative Imprint Sentinel
[url]http://www.newser.com/story/121255/michele-bachmann-signs-book-deal-with-conservative-imprint-sentinel.html[/url]

Another right-wing grifter jumping on the conservative gravy train.

[QUOTE=Esten;418180]...from Repubs in DC working to stall the economy.[/QUOTE]Esten,

Dude, what are you smoking?

I haven't heard anything as completely contradictory to reality since I heard Nancy Pelosi proclaiming how proud she was having reduced the country's budget deficit during her term as speaker.

Wait, I get it! It's one of those liberal "[i]repeat the lie[/i]" campaigns, right?

Anyway, consistent with true Esten form, I doubt you'll respond to my comments directly.

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Esten;418180]. Toymann we're on but let's wait and see who your nominee is before we establish terms.[/QUOTE]Lets keep it simple dude. Just like last time, the bet is a night at madahos (1000 peso max, no more than 700 for the chica). Dems win my tab, Republicans win your tab! No need to discuss terms (translation: you want to wait to get a feel for how bad the Dems take it in the shorts and then make the bet trivial). I am calling bullshit brother. Time to man up dude. Are you a true believer or NOt?

Furthermore, most republicans today could give a flying F*CK about abortion, stem cell research, church, gay marriage, etc. The country needs an experienced CEO to manage us out of this fiasco the current DEMI GOD has entrenched us in. This isn't your daddy's GOP brother, it's 2011, so stop hooting about abortion etc. Very few really care anymore.

Happy Mongering All, Toymann

[QUOTE=Esten;418180]We'll see if the full power of the GOP machine has what it takes to defeat Obama. .[/QUOTE]Obama has already defeated Obama dude! He lost the independents long ago. It was the hopefull independents that drank his cool-aid last time. Most are shaking their heads saying something like "this is just not working out the way I had hoped". Lose the independents plus low democrat voter turn out next november as many are just shaking their heads saying something like " what a wasted opportunity", will result in a serious GOP win in the Senate, fewer Democrats in the House, and a Republican president (most likely Romney). I am Not a great history buff but guessing it's been a while since all three started as one party and ended up the opposite party IN JUST FOUR YEARS. Don't be sad Esten, Ol buddy, I know at least one democrat who is really happy right now. Jimmy Carter is betting that next November he'll no longer have the title of WORST all-time US president. You're boy Obomanation should outdistance Carter by a length or two. LONG LIVE THE KING! LONG LIVE THE KING! IALOTFLMAO.

Happy Mongering All. Toymann

[QUOTE=Esten; 418183]Michele Bachmann Signs Book Deal With Conservative Imprint Sentinel.

[url]http://www.newser.com/story/121255/michele-bachmann-signs-book-deal-with-conservative-imprint-sentinel.html[/url]

Another right-wing grifter jumping on the conservative gravy train. [/QUOTE][u]THIS[/u] is what you're reduced to complaining about?

A politican signs a book deal?

So fucking what?

Yea, that'll save Obama.

ROTFLMAO!

[QUOTE=Esten; 418183]Michele Bachmann Signs Book Deal With Conservative Imprint Sentinel.

[url]http://www.newser.com/story/121255/michele-bachmann-signs-book-deal-with-conservative-imprint-sentinel.html[/url]

Another right-wing grifter jumping on the conservative gravy train. [/QUOTE]I don't remember you getting upset about Obama's book deal signed just before getting into office (timing of political payoffs is important to keep the 'legal').

It isn't so much what this headline says:

"Obama Gets 30% of Americans Certain to Support Re-Election in Economy Poll"

As it is the fact that state-sponsored media is actually allowing truthful information, which is negative in nature, to be published about the regime. The fact that state-run media will report unflattering information about the "Chosen One" is an early indication that the liberal establishment is finding it more and more difficult to support the apparition that they created in Obama. While they will never back a republican, they can't find anything substantive and positive to say about their guy.

No matter what Esten says and no matter what republican signs a book deal, Obama is rapidly becoming a lame duck. Obama has been a colossal failure at every aspect of the job of president from domestic policy to foreign policy. His ineptitude knows no limits. He's tried wagging the dog (Libya) which has been a political and foreign policy failure. He has tried giving "free healthcare" to the people (including illegal aliens). He has provided thousands of military weapons to Mexican drug cartels (guess he was courting the Latin vote). He will try to sell his base on "getting out of Afghanistan" which will be seen as the hollow gesture that it is (modest troop withdrawal with no end in sight). Even nailing Osama has had no appreciable effect on Obama's numbers.

Why is it that the guy who could do no wrong (up until mid 2009) can't seem to work his magic? Because he never had any to begin with."Barrack the Magic Negro" (to quote the LA Times) was and is a fraud, perpetrated upon America by the left, its union cronies and the media. He was and remains unqualified for the job, which becomes clearer and clearer ever day he is in the position. The reason the perceived 'magic' stopped is that once in office, the American people, despite the media's best efforts to hide his weakness, could see for themselves how poorly he executes the duties of the POTUS. He has effectively diminished both the economic and military stature of the nation and exacerbated the financial debacle of 2008 into the Great Recession. While didn't directly cause the financial mess of 2008 (indirectly he and his liberal brethren certainly had a hand in it) , Obama owns the Great Recession. Because he caused it. Had the US government done nothing, we'd be far better off. The greatest harm of all and the cause of the Great Recession (not the initial global financial meltdown) was Obama's domestic policies (including monetary policy) and the creation of new unmeasurable RISK for any and all corporations hiring new employees.

Obama lacks the desire, temperament and the skills necessary to spawn an economic recovery. It is abundantly clear to the American people the Obama is an elitist ruler who is completely devoid of any understanding of the suffering that is going on within the country. There is no more stark evidence of this than when he and his oligarchic cronies have a good belly laugh about "shovel-ready jobs." Obama has created unthinkable riches for his cronie-capitalist benefactors and sold out the nation for his ideology.

Here we stand $14 trillion in debt, nearly 20% unemployment and under-employment, stagflation is hitting our moribund economy and gas is over $4 / gallon (more than twice the price when dipshit took office). I can hear it now "Four more years!" "Four more years!" Other than Jeff Immelt and his ilk, I can't think of too many Americans that will be chanting this.

As I have said for a while, a Fudd / Simpson (Elmer & Homer) ticket could beat Obama in 2012.

According to MSNBC Nancy Reagan has received a message from Ron.

Ronald Reagon says that a recession is when your neighbor loses his job, a depression is when you lose your job and recovery is when Obama loses his job.

Obama appears to be a nice enough fellow but Obama made the mistake of listening to Esten's birdbrain ideas.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye; 418193]It isn't so much what this headline says:

"Obama Gets 30% of Americans Certain to Support Re-Election in Economy Poll"

As it is the fact that state-sponsored media is actually allowing truthful information, which is negative in nature, to be published about the regime. The fact that state-run media will report unflattering information about the "Chosen One" is an early indication that the liberal establishment is finding it more and more difficult to support the apparition that they created in Obama. While they will never back a republican, they can't find anything substantive and positive to say about their guy.

No matter what Esten says and no matter what republican signs a book deal, Obama is rapidly becoming a lame duck. Obama has been a colossal failure at every aspect of the job of president from domestic policy to foreign policy. His ineptitude knows no limits. He's tried wagging the dog (Libya) which has been a political and foreign policy failure. He has tried giving "free healthcare" to the people (including illegal aliens). He has provided thousands of military weapons to Mexican drug cartels (guess he was courting the Latin vote). He will try to sell his base on "getting out of Afghanistan" which will be seen as the hollow gesture that it is (modest troop withdrawal with no end in sight). Even nailing Osama has had no appreciable effect on Obama's numbers.

Why is it that the guy who could do no wrong (up until mid 2009) can't seem to work his magic? Because he never had any to begin with."Barrack the Magic Negro" (to quote the LA Times) was and is a fraud, perpetrated upon America by the left, its union cronies and the media. He was and remains unqualified for the job, which becomes clearer and clearer ever day he is in the position. The reason the perceived 'magic' stopped is that once in office, the American people, despite the media's best efforts to hide his weakness, could see for themselves how poorly he executes the duties of the POTUS. He has effectively diminished both the economic and military stature of the nation and exacerbated the financial debacle of 2008 into the Great Recession. While didn't directly cause the financial mess of 2008 (indirectly he and his liberal brethren certainly had a hand in it) , Obama owns the Great Recession. Because he caused it. Had the US government done nothing, we'd be far better off. The greatest harm of all and the cause of the Great Recession (not the initial global financial meltdown) was Obama's domestic policies (including monetary policy) and the creation of new unmeasurable RISK for any and all corporations hiring new employees.

Obama lacks the desire, temperament and the skills necessary to spawn an economic recovery. It is abundantly clear to the American people the Obama is an elitist ruler who is completely devoid of any understanding of the suffering that is going on within the country. There is no more stark evidence of this than when he and his oligarchic cronies have a good belly laugh about "shovel-ready jobs." Obama has created unthinkable riches for his cronie-capitalist benefactors and sold out the nation for his ideology.

Here we stand $14 trillion in debt, nearly 20% unemployment and under-employment, stagflation is hitting our moribund economy and gas is over $4 / gallon (more than twice the price when dipshit took office). I can hear it now "Four more years!" "Four more years!" Other than Jeff Immelt and his ilk, I can't think of too many Americans that will be chanting this.

As I have said for a while, a Fudd / Simpson (Elmer & Homer) ticket could beat Obama in 2012. [/QUOTE]You forgot to include that Obama was responisble for your diarrhea this mornining.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt;418204]You forgot to include that Obama was responisble for your diarrhea this mornining.[/QUOTE]Too much chimichurri sauce.

Toymann, the election is [b]sixteen months away[/b]! I'm just not interested in setting the bet right now. Too long a wait, too boring. Don't assume I'll want to downgrade the bet, I might want to raise it too. Although I will bet on Obama, I am not going to be cocky about it and you shouldn't be either. It is very likely to be very close.

The last thing our country needs is a CEO in the White House. A CEO has a narrow focus on making his business profitable, and where applicable returning profits to shareholders. Where does the worker fall in that picture? The worker is simply an expense to achieve profits. If that expense can be reduced while maintaining or increasing profit, the CEO can and will do so. No, that is not the perspective we need in a President.

The company I speak of brother is the USA. We desparately need a president that wants to operate the business at hand. Deal with the issues that effect the day to day operations TODAY (unemplyment, deficit, immigration, economy). He can deal with all the peripheral issues (social agendas, healthcare, politics) once he turns the company around. Your BOY has shown absolutely NO interest in dealing with the pressing issues of the day since he took office. He needs to go, as like a tiger he can not change his stripes. Now was NOT the time for the great DEMIGOD experiment dude. Weighed, measured and found wanting!

It's over and like this past November (do you remember the midterms) , it's all done except for the liberal whining. It was close last time. It will NOT be close in 2012.

Let me know when you are ready to bet. YOU BIG SISSY! LMAO!

Happy Mongering Esten. Toymann