American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[QUOTE=Black Shirt;418306]I can't remember when a modern president was given such bad cards to start his term.[/QUOTE]Guesse you were asleep on 9/11. And of course, you must have forgotten the economic ramifications of this insignificant event. All I can say is "thank god we didn't have obomanation at the helm back then". But again, it's all Bush's fault! Oh yes, some president managed his way out of that fiasco, but who was really paying attention anyway. LMAO! Tick! Tick! Tick! Time for you liberal free thinkers too pull your heads out of you're distal orifaces.

Happy Mongering All. Toymann

[QUOTE=Tiny12;418296]Moveon, I'm convinced you're either a politician or you work for one.[/QUOTE]Oh, please Teeny. I am as close to being a politician or working for one than you are becoming a moderate free-thinker.

The Administrator can easily check my name and see I have nothing to do with politics.

Actually, I was a life-long Republican until I switched parties recently. Eight dreadful years of George W, his Halliburton cronies, and John Ashcroft was enough for me to see the light.

Now I see the Tea Party as the middle-class destroyer of life who is hell-bent on giving tax subsidies to Big Oil & large corporations plus ending what is left of our social programs to help the needy in this great nation of ours.

Not to worry, without the Latino vote, the Republicans won't win the next election anyway.

Hate to bust your bubble Moveon, but in case you have not been keeping up with the polls, nobody is very happy with your boy Obama. He is in the mid to upper 40's in popularity and under 40 in handling the economy, the liberals are mad at him because he has not been liberal enough and the independents are mad at him because he has been too liberal. When you couple that with unemployment over 9% and a stalling / staggering economy, Obama's chances for a second term are growing dim.

What all this translates into for his base on Election Day is not that they vote for the other guy but they don't bother to go to the polls at all. Since neither party has enough followers to win an election it is the independent voters who have decided the last few elections. Obama is losing independents in droves and as for the Latino vote, I don't think I would be counting to heavily on it as he has failed to do anything but pay lip service to immigration reform and flooding Mexico with guns is not much help either.

I think your boy is going to get his ass kicked in November 2012 unless something startling happens with unemployment and the economy which is not likely, they have used all their liberal tricks and they have failed to work.

If you are the President of the United States, you can not lead from the REAR. Point in fact he does not lead at all and everything that fails is someone else's fault not his.

You know Perry is looking pretty good. Balanced the budget in Texas without raising taxes but by cutting spending and Texas does not have a crippling state income tax as well as being a right to work state, ie few unions. Just a hard nosed Texas politician who gets the job done.

(Maybe this was mentioned before) , but notwithstanding this is a really good movie:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzrBurlJUNk[/url]

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;418309]Hate to bust your bubble Moveon, but in case. You know now Perry is looking pretty good. Balanced the budget in Texas without raising taxes but by cutting spending and Texas does not have a crippling state income tax as well as being a right to work state, ie few unions. Just a hard nosed Texas politician who gets the job done.[/QUOTE]

Oh, really?

Balanced the Texas state budget?

How about the Texas $25 BILLION deficit?

As George W. would say, "Now that's what I'm talking about!"

[url]http://www.businessinsider.com/texas-state-budget-crisis-2011-1[/url]

Moveon, you need to learn to read something other than those left wing rags and old ones at that, the article was written over 6 months ago! The special session ended yesterday, the budget was balanced, taxes were not raised, and spending was CUT. I know this is something you liberals hate, but Texas CUT spending and took some funds from the "Rainy Day" surplus of past years and BALANCED THE BUDGET.

As usual you are misinformed but I know how liberals never let facts get in the way of good story.

Perry looks better than Romney, no government healthcare in Texas as in Massachusetts and no flip-flopping. He is number 2 in the polls behind Romney and Perry has not even decided if he will even run.

By the way, regarding your disparaging remarks about the Tea Party folks, they have a legitimate right to complain, they are the 50% of the population who are paying the bills!

[QUOTE=Toymann; 418307]Guesse you were asleep on 9/11. And of course, you must have forgotten the economic ramifications of this insignificant event. All I can say is "thank god we didn't have obomanation at the helm back then". But again, it's all Bush's fault! Oh yes, some president managed his way out of that fiasco, but who was really paying attention anyway. LMAO! Tick! Tick! Tick! Time for you liberal free thinkers too pull your heads out of you're distal orifaces.

Happy Mongering All. Toymann[/QUOTE]Most Americans were asleep, even if you were wide awake stroking your weenie. My take on 9/11 was that while it is one of the most infamous acts in American history, it also gave a very inexperienced president a chance to shine. At his right hand was Field Marshall Dick Cheney, and on his left hand was the American Military, the world's strongest military power with the world's biggest defense budget. 9/11 united Congress and the American people behind the priesidency and the ensuing invasion of Afganistan ensure that Bush was going to get his 2nd term. Unlike his unlucky father, Bush Senior, who was the most qualified man to become president in modern history, Junior got the 2nd luckiest break of his life with 9/11. The 1st lucky break being his victory over Gore by 1 vote (mine).

A liberal I am not, but most of all, I believe in fairness. Obama was dealt a bad hand and he will be kick out just like Bush Senior. No sentiments when it comes down to having money in your pockets.

[QUOTE=Punter 127;418304]You really should use quotation marks when you quote someone.[/QUOTE]Nah, it was funnier without the quotation marks.

I liked your Obama and Biden quotes. You forgot the one about Obama mistaking his own daughter's age.

But here's the thing. There's a big difference between occasionally flubbing numbers, and being an extreme far-right evangelical conservative. Obviously she has quite a few followers, but also quite a few who think she does not have a firm grasp on reality.

[QUOTE]IMHO you have now stooped to a new low,[/QUOTE]With your own quotes, and the almost endless stream of disparaging comments about me, Obama, Reid and Pelosi here, somehow your comment seems rather hollow.

Still, no need to worry. I prefer debating the issues. I won't be hammering into Bachmann too much, but she was overdue for some comment here.

[QUOTE]but if you're going to demonize every threat to Obama[/QUOTE]There's no need to.

[QUOTE]you better get started on Rick Perry[/QUOTE]I have nothing bad to say about him right now.

[QUOTE]BTW if I support Herman Cain over Obama would the left still classify me as a racist?[/QUOTE]Of course not.

[QUOTE=Moveon; 418308]Oh, please Teeny. I am as close to being a politician or working for one than you are becoming a moderate free-thinker.

The Administrator can easily check my name and see I have nothing to do with politics.

Actually, I was a life-long Republican until I switched parties recently. Eight dreadful years of George W, his Halliburton cronies, and John Ashcroft was enough for me to see the light.

Now I see the Tea Party as the middle-class destroyer of life who is hell-bent on giving tax subsidies to Big Oil & large corporations plus ending what is left of our social programs to help the needy in this great nation of ours.

Not to worry, without the Latino vote, the Republicans won't win the next election anyway.[/QUOTE]Moveon, You're the only poster here that ALWAYS takes the party line. Not even Esten falls in that category. Walleye, Doppel, Toymann, Jackson, Stan, etc. may believe in the same liberal economic policies as Tea Party Republicans, but they're social liberals. It's curious you're so in line with the Democrat manifesto if you really were a life-long Republican. Also, that's an interesting thought, that the administrator could check your identity. You provided him no information when you registered that would identity you. Why would you expect him to violate your privacy, especially given this is a monger forum?

You confuse tax deductions with subsidies. The Tea Party is hell bent on taking subsidies AWAY, like those for ethanol, renewable energy, wealthy farmers, etc. It's the mainstream pork barrel Democrats and Republicans that want to keep the subsidies.

On the separate topic of tax deductions, given that the USA has the highest tax rates on business in the world, deductions are the only thing that make certain companies competitive in the world arena. The Tea Party would like to remove preferential tax deductions, that is, what you're calling "subsidies", and lower tax rates.

The social programs you're referring to, being Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, are going to take up a ridiculous and unsustainable percentage of GDP if nothing is done, and Obama, you and every other intelligent Democrat knows that. But, unlike the Tea Party, most Democrat politicians prefer to kick the can down the road, as they put short term political gain over what's good for the country.

Your comments about Perry are interesting. I don't particularly like him, for reasons having to do with his personal character. And the lieutenant governor has more power than the governor in Texas anyway. But Texas' credit rating is higher than average, and the state has added 37% of total jobs added in the USA since the end of the recession. Chalk that up in part to policies of the Republican legislature.

I don't disagree with you about the next election, as I already said in my earlier post that you responded to.

Although GW sent troops to Afghanistan against Al Qaeda, soon the operation was stalled as he began the war in Iraq, which he misleadingly called "War on Terror." Under the War on Terror propaganda, GW administration depicted the war in Iraq as a war for democracy against the allegedly global terrorism by muslim fundamentalists. As a result, many people, including Sarah Palin, thought that Iraq and Sadam Hussein were responsible for 9/11. GW's popular standing was helped by the "rally around the flag" patriotic movements after 9/11 and the war in Iraq (War on terror) , which were mixed up and confused for many Americans. Without the war in Iraq, he would not have won the second term.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt; 418314]Most Americans were asleep, even if you were wide awake stroking your weenie. My take on 9/11 was that while it is one of the most infamous acts in American history, it also gave a very inexperienced president a chance to shine. At his right hand was Field Marshall Dick Cheney, and on his left hand was the American Military, the world's strongest military power with the world's biggest defense budget. 9/11 united Congress and the American people behind the priesidency and the ensuing invasion of Afganistan ensure that Bush was going to get his 2nd term. Unlike his unlucky father, Bush Senior, who was the most qualified man to become president in modern history, Junior got the 2nd luckiest break of his life with 9/11. The 1st lucky break being his victory over Gore by 1 vote (mine).

A liberal I am not, but most of all, I believe in fairness. Obama was dealt a bad hand and he will be kick out just like Bush Senior. No sentiments when it comes down to having money in your pockets.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Esten;418318]Nah, it was funnier without the quotation marks.[/quote]You may find it funny but I would call it being deceptive, you've pulled the same shit before.

[quote]I liked your Obama and Biden quotes. You forgot the one about Obama mistaking his own daughter's age.[/quote]I didn't forget, I think families should be left out of politics. I also think this game of jumping on every little word that people speak or mis-speak is petty. I only posted those quotes to make a point to you, not for any value.

[quote]But here's the thing. There's a big difference between occasionally flubbing numbers, and being an extreme far-right evangelical conservative. Obviously she has quite a few followers, but also quite a few who think she does not have a firm grasp on reality.[/quote]What's wrong with being an ' extreme far-right evangelical conservative? ' I think she has as much right to be a ' extreme far-right evangelical conservative' as you do to be an extreme far-left liberal, progressive, Socialist, Communist, Nazi, atheist or whatever else you want to be.

[quote]With your own quotes, and the almost endless stream of disparaging comments about me, Obama, Reid and Pelosi here, somehow your comment seems rather hollow.[/quote]True I have made disparaging remarks, but not as part of an organized effort to demonize someone. I don't believe you can honestly make the same claim.

I offer your link to Rolling Stone as a prime example of you following your leaders. If I'm wrong and you're not following the lead of the far left and you really are giving us your honest opinion then I apologize. However that leads me to question why you are so down on Bachmann and Palin are you misogynistic or do they just scare you that bad?

[quote]Still, no need to worry. I prefer debating the issues. I won't be hammering into Bachmann too much, but she was overdue for some comment here.[/quote]I hope we can keep that to her position on the issues.

[quote]There's no need to.

I have nothing bad to say about him right now.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you'll be getting the memo on Perry very soon.

Now can we get back to the issues?

This many posts for no sex.

You guys are really fucked up.

I thought AP was about where to get a Piece of Ass.

You guys really need to come to BsAs.

At least I can get a massage with a Happy Ending.

You guys must be really bad, if the only way you can get stimulated is with your Fingers.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 418331]This many posts for no sex.

You guys are really fucked up.

I thought AP was about where to get a Piece of Ass.

You guys are really need to come to BsAs.

At least I can get a massage with a Happy Ending.

You guys must be really bad, if the only way you can get stimulated is with your Fingers.[/QUOTE]Probably the most active thread on the forum, does that tell you anything?

Everything you said is true. You are totally right.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 418331]This many posts for no sex.

You guys are really fucked up.

I thought AP was about where to get a Piece of Ass.

You guys are really need to come to BsAs.

At least I can get a massage with a Happy Ending.

You guys must be really bad, if the only way you can get stimulated is with your Fingers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;418331]You guys must be really bad, if the only way you can get stimulated is with your Fingers.[/QUOTE]WT- This thread is busy because most of us are stuck in Sex Prison! We know where to go in BA, we just can't get down there often.

Of course there is action here in SP, but it doesn't hold a candle to the scene in BA. Too expensive, limited options, travelling time, all not to mention the legal aspect. We can thank the family values climate here, driven in large part by one political party.

WT here's an example to make you laugh. Aside from a trip to Europe earlier in the year, I haven't done any hobbying in 2011. So this weekend, being a long weekend here I decided to splurge a little. I went to two strip clubs where I knew I could get some high mileage lap dances. Between the two clubs I spent about 1 hour in private VIP rooms, 2 HIP happy endings, 3 dancers, $500 total costs and 5 hours of driving! LOL!! Yes I could have done something closer and cheaper, but I wanted to go to those clubs.

So WT, this thread helps keep us distracted a little bit, while AP gives us a lifeline to one of our favorite places through the posts of others.