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[quote][i]i want to learn more about the penthouse place in belgrano! [/i][/QUOTE]
You can get Oscar Carrizo (4960-3770) to take you there by remis; I did not jot down the address. Thinking back on it, Priscilla is the sort of woman who would go for 300 USD easily here in the US. She seemed happy with the 60, and put out hard for me. He said the $100 girl is a real stunner, and I'm inclined to believe it.
Any of you interested in getting involved in a time-share in BA?
Or do you know of one I could get into? My thinking was to come back for a month to decide whether to get a place of my own.
One minor sour note on my visit. In the Cafe Orleans, I picked up a slim, young, black-haired miss who seemed really sweet until we got to my hotel, where she started acting bitchy and odd. Finally, after she had stripped down but left her top on, she demanded payment first, and, sensing a ripoff, that was it for me. But getting rid of her was a real pain and somewhat embarrassing, and it put me off bringing them back for the rest of the trip. The ladies are great in general, but there may be a few rotten apples out to rip off a gringo.
As far as getting ladies for free, which one of you mentioned, I am well into middle age. As good-looking as you can be for middle age, but still middle aged.
[blue]Roberto,
I wasn't going to announce this until it was completely ready, but I'm signing a 2 year lease on a three bedroom apartment in Recoletta beginning October 1st. I'm expecting to use it myself for 3-4 months a year, and rent it out to a limited number of carefully selected individuals when I'm not there, which sounds exactly like what you are looking for. The building has 24 hour security, and the apartment has a seperate maid's quarters with a full time, live in maid to clean and change the linens every day. It will also have a computer w/cable internet access and a cell phone. One of the bedrooms will be setup as a guest bedroom in the event of any overlap in schedules. I'm going to BA next week to finalize everything, buy furniture and move in, so I'll let you know when it's ready and we can talk about the particulars.
Jackson[/blue]
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Jackson. That is great news. You know that many of us would be interested (providing the place is nice and in a nice area which I'm assuming it is). If you get a chance, take lots of pictures. I was thinking about doing the same thing but there is probably not a need for a bunch of us doing the same thing. By the end of December I will have spent almost 5 weeks in Buenos Aires. The hotels and apart-hotels can add up after a while.
Roberto. There are definitely girls that you can meet without spending any money but as I've pointed out several other times....trust me...You will spend money. Nothing in life is free. You'll shell out money on gifts, and other misc. items. To me it's not the money it's the time. Who has time for a girlfriend in Buenos Aires when there are so many hotties?? It would be a different story if I lived there. And even then I'd be seeing the hotties in the club. Age has nothing to do with it amigo. Age is a state of mind.
Good luck.
Saint
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by saint
Age is a state of mind.
Good luck.
Saint [/i][/QUOTE]
Completely agree with you my friend .......... but I guess being in good shape and younger than 35 probably helps in BA, especially in negotiating with chicas .......... :-)))
Guys, anybody thinking to go to BA in late October/early November , I'll get there on the 26th of Oct, staying at Design Suites (thanks to MAyra - argentinago.com) and would like to hook up will fellow hobbist ....... Let me know ...
Cya, Ro
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Jackson,
Your apartment sounds great! Congratulations. I have similar ideas, but you are a few steps ahead of me. I plan to spend about 3plus months per year in BsAs and figured out that I should be able to rent an apartment year round for less than the cost of a hotel for three months....
I will be in BsAs 21-28 October to look for an apartment to lease/purchase. Do you have a reliable, English-speaking realtor and/or lawyer you could recommend?
thanks....and again, cogratulations on scoring an apartment in the nicest city in the world outside of the U.S.
ezy
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Roberto,
Was the place on La Pampa called "Nuevo Estilo Boliche"? I was there several times last year if it was the same place and I had a great time there. Did it have a pool table to the left as you walked in and rooms upstairs that you got to by going out the front door and turning right? Did you see a strip show to the right as you walked in? I had a 21 year old girl named Silvana that I thought was so good I went back the next night for her. I tried to get her to go to my hotel for the hour but it was too expensive to take the girl out and it didn't really pay since they had perfectly nice rooms right there. They also had a nice lesbian stip tease with two nice looking girls going down on each other. Did there seem to be a lot of young talent there the night you went? DownBA
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I debated on whether to post this but I'm going to in the interests of knowledge is power. During one of my sessions with the chicas from the clubs my last trip I wanted to practice my Spanish so I ask her all this stuff about the club. I ask her what the downsides are. Oh man. She gave me all this information on how the clubs can be an evil place for a girl.
She told me how prostitution is technically illegal in Buenos Aires. (I didn't know that). All the clubs have to pay bribes to the police to let them operate. Not only that but she said if the police feel like they're not getting enough money, they demand free sex with the girls. If the girls refuse, the owners of some of the clubs tell them they can't work there. I didn't know if she was telling me the truth or not but I could see the girl didn't have any reason to lie.
Tonight I ask one of my friends that works in the clubs. She confirmed that everything the girl said was true. She said that when she worked at Black's last year she had to have sex free with a police officer. Not only that but once when she refused, the police hit her in the face and took her money.
On the other hand she did mention that many of the girls like the police and some of the girls even have police as boyfriends in case they get into trouble or if they get ripped off by clients or have "problems" with clients.
The only reason I mention this is because the next time you feel like these girls are making alot... think about all the crap they have to go through too. Also, I don't think it's a problem with Americans and more so with the native men of Argentina but if you ever think about ripping off a girl know that you might have to deal with her "boyfriend" who may be a cop. Not good.
In the grand scheme of things I don't think this is a problem with anyone but any of you that knows me knows that I'll offer my 2 cents. Have fun and be careful.
Saint
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Saint,
Re: prostitution being illegal in BA: I've also had similar conversations with Natalia who's on Platynum.com and escortsbaires.com and other sites, and she's told me that it's not illegal for a woman to have sex for money out of her apartment but it is illegal for there to be a brothel apartment where there are multiple girls and the apartment's being used specifically for selling sex which is something you see quite a lot of in BA. Natalia told me that a lot of the ads in Clarin and La Nacion in the classified section will lead you to places that have multiple chicas. As for places like Playwoman, Blacks, Sadoma, etc. being illegal I have no doubt that Saint's right, in fact one girl that I had brought to the US twice after meeting her in Playwoman used to tell me about this scene that it's "mucha mafia." Enough said about that. I still say these places are like a kid being in a candy shop for me.....I want to sample all the candy!!! What a life! DownBA
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Thanks to Saint, Leo and Drgn for the answers.
Saint,
You might be right (if I get the subtility of your answer about Carey...but english is not my primary language).
Those kind of mistakes (if any) can be painful !
all the best
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Jackson,
I will be very definitely interested in your new apartment for sometime next year, so keep me posted. Might be a month or so in 2003. As far as I can tell, there are no bad addresses in Recoleta. Unless I found a girlfriend there, I doubt I would even use it bring women home. To take sips out of the BA fire hydrant at a more leisurely pace will be nice.
DownBA
The card I have says Confiteria "Nuevo Estilo". It is at 687 La Pampa, almost at the end on the river side. I came at about 6 p.m., and there were 4-5 girls, two of whom lit my fire. Roxanna gives really terrific "francesa" on the suggestion of a tip; her looks and figure are adequate. She told me that after 9 about 25 girls are there, with the strip show at 1:30 a.m. But I never did much at night because I preferred to be getting stewed in one of the restaurants.
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Guys:
The issue of Prostitution as a legal activity in Argentina is complex. There are many aspects that contribute to the picture. I will try to mention some so you can get a broad idea.
1) As far as I know, there is a anti-prostitution act called Profilaxis Act. For a hygienity sake, prostitution is forbidden as a commercial activity and you cannot set a brothel and make money from it ("legally", of course...)
2) Personal privacy at home is supposed to be paramount. Unless the police has a court order for searching your home, you can do anything in your realm. That makes single-girl services "almost legal", since it is unlikely that girls can be chased that way (unless neighbors complain very loudly in the courts, in which case the police gets involved). Usually, girls are discouraged of continuing their business by threats from landlors to evict them or not renew the lease contracts, since many of these girls are pretty delinquent in their lease payments (they don't receive a continuous stream of income).
3) Outcall services are very difficult to catch or prove as working as SPs, so it is almost impossible for LE to bust them. Unlike in the US, there isn't enough budget for LE to cover even the minimum security expenditures for fighting serious crimes (murders, robberies, etc) so there is no money for LE to go behind these girls by setting expensive outcall services investigations. If there were lots of money available to LE, perhaps the situation would approach that of America.
4) The economic and social unrest of Argentina was ever present, although in the past the hardship didn't use to be as serious as today. This "ubiquitous poverty" status made the society disregard prostitution as a problem that really deserved attention. Also, unemployment, violence, state-run terrorism during military dictatorships and other tragic issues made prostitution a minor problem. That's why people don't worry about it, but people have some legal tools to deal with the problem if they were really interested.
5) Girls sitting in bars without rooms aren't doing anything illegal unless they mention their services and prices explicitly. Since they exert caution, it is almost impossible to legally bust them in places like Sodoma, Playwoman, Blacks and the like. However, if the police doesn't receive a bribe from the bar's owners, the officers can start noticing violations to the commercial and construction codes and ask their friends in the city hall to shut down those bars or pubs that don't "contribute to the cause". Said that, sitting in one of these bars is not illegal, nor leaving with a girls who didn't explicitly said that she would have sex for money, but the police would molest the patrons so they don't return to the non-contributing bars (stopping taxis outside of the building and searching for drugs and weapons, for instance).
6) Since many bars and brothels owners pay bribes, they feel that they deserve the right to offer other services, such as selling drugs to custmers. That creates an opportunity to the police to bust a place and harass a patron if ht eplace is found selling drugs.
In few words: Prostitution is illegal (at least in high scale), but police only cares about their additional income from bribes (not for justifying the budget, as in the US), and the society is too much worried about unemployment and violence to pay atention to such minor issues.
Respect to horror stories suffered by the girls, you will find several articles in Argentine newspapers (issued 1 or 2 months ago) mentioning the desperate situation of many Dominican girls who were kept in semi-slavery conditions in some brothels in Mar del Plata. However, I know a girl who made some respectable income from the hobby, so not all the stories are sad.
Hope this helps,
Andres
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Great analysis and post. That's one of the great things about the Argentina section of the WSG forum. There are very intelligent discussions that encircle all aspects of the "hobby".
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It is a great forum. Many of the other forums are almost macho boasting soundboards - I did this, I did that to her which is interesting on same level...but the Argentine forum seems to not only have some great info but also "intelligence" about the situation in Argentina right now, which is quite dramatic to say the least.
I have a question for recent (post devaluation) hobbyists to BA....
You read in the press about pensioners turning to the hobby to survive and in some recent posts about girls going to Chile because the business is down in Argentina....also it seems less girls in the top tier "pro" places like Blacks then before. When the economy was good only girls who couldn't survive any other way got into the biz.
How has the scene changed since December...are more "amateurs" getting into it and the pro's going somewhere else? Is it attracting girls from all strata of societies? Do you find the girls now looking more for "sugar daddies" then mere clients, more aggressive to the point of stalking? Are the locals patronizing the high end places or are they just dependent on tourists to make good money?
I've practiced the hobby in Cuba and there it's really interesting because you have a very well educated but extremely poor population, so you get girls that are literally doctors, lawyers, teachers by day and pro's by night....
Someone said that every pretty girl in Havana gets involved in prostitution at one time or another....is it getting like that in Buenos Aires now?
I guess the answer is yes but I would like to know from the mongers first hand, as the last time I was in BA the economy was OK compared to now and it was more in and out professional, less GFE.....
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Miami to Buenos Aires $343 bucks
It seems that only one flight a month on the tenth leaves at this cheap rate but hey! I can plan around a fare like this.
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Jackson:
This renting an apartment with all the amenities is an excellent
idea. It could prove useful when I am there on non-expense paid trip :0
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Buenos Aires on Sale
Argentina on Sale: Several of us who travel to Argentina regularly have talked about the spectacular bargains available in Buenos Aires right now. To give you a better idea of costs, I have pulled together an approximate price list. Prices are in USD and are current as of 8/15/02....(1USD=3.56pesos)
Note:Chica prices are not included since they are highly variable..... if you do 3 per day and like to party in chica bars (boliches) ...add $200plus per day. If you buy the minimum number of drinks necessary to buy one chica out of a bar and take her to your room for 1-2 hours add $60USD...most of us fall somewhere in between.
Subte(subway). $.20
Taxi
In same zone. $.56(min)-1.00
Recoleta/downtown. $1.00-1.50
downtown/Belgrano $2.00-2.50
downtown/EZE airport $6.50-7.00
Private car (Remis)
EZE airport/downtown $10-15
per hour $5-7
Hotels (double)
5 Star International
brands $100-300 ......Hilton, Intercontinental, Sheraton, etc.
4 Star $25-100 .........Art Suites, Design Suites, Etoile, etc.
3 Star $15-50 .......... Castelar, Lancaster, etc.
Meals(prices are pp)
Breakfast $1-2
Lunch $2-4
Dinner (cafe) $2-5
Dinner (nice restaurant)$7-15 (including tip, wine)
Dinner (elegant restaurant) $25
Museum Ticket $.25-1.00
Futball Game $4.25-6
Colon Theater $2.80-39.25
City Tour $2.80-3.50
Tango Show/dinner $16.85-25
Estancia Tour (includes
lunch, transportation) $14-16
Newspaper $.33-.75
Coffee & snack $.50-1
Departure Tax (pd. at
airport as you leave) $18
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Jamesbond69:
I heard that many more girls than before were seen sitted at tables in cafes and bars waiting for guys, specially after dark, in a kind of semi-pro action. Something similar to Cafe Orleans but less obvious.
However, I didn't pay much attention to them. First, as one monger wrote in costaricasex.com, "I pay the girls not only to get laid but also to leave". As semi-pros, girls may attach emotionally to you, something I consider not funny at all. Second, there are so many places to get "monger fun" with reasonable safety that I wouldn't risk to take a girl for a "journey to the unknown". Although it's very unlikely that a semi-pro girl would kidnap or intoxicate me to steal my kidneys or eyes, I feel safer inside the "traditional circuit". Third, I like to see girls in suggestive clothes and apparel. T-shirts and loose blue jeans are not very appealing to me.
Respect to GFE, I think that you will find more now than before, but you will notice that the looks of girls have decreased. Also, I heard in one of the Suipacha St. bars that it's very unusual to see local patrons.
I think Buenos Aires will be closer to Cuba than before respect to the hobby, but it won't reach the cuban level in the short run.
Hope this helps,
Andres
