American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[QUOTE=Rock Harders]Tiny 12, Mongers, et al-

What is the answer to 99 out of 100 questions concerning politics? Nearly every single US foreign policy decision is made based on the answer to this question. Anyone who believes otherwise is either extremely naive or in total denial. I wish this were not the case.

Suerte,

Rock Harders[/QUOTE]If it's a politician that's asking the question, the answer isn't "money". The answer is "whatever will get me the most votes." That's why Obama wants to cut income taxes to "0" for the majority of Americans. And give supersized parts of G. M. And Chrysler to union retirees while cutting out the secured creditors.

As to Iraq, the idea the war was waged so Halliburton and arms manufacturers could profit is ridiculous. There were probably a lot of considerations -- security of U. S. oil supply, the B.S. Iraqi exiles were feeding Cheney et al about weapons of mass destruction and how the Iraqi people would welcome the U. S. Army, and the idea that if we installed a Democratic government in Iraq the rest of the Middle East would follow.

Again, maybe in retrospect you can fault them for being stupid, but the theory that this was orchestrated to benefit large multinational corporations is way out there.

Obama.

The alternative was too terrible to contemplate, (Palin as president in waiting!) but I'm pretty sure it'll be more of the same.

From William Blum's Anti-Empire report.

To the numerous fans of Barack Obama, on the left, in the middle, on the right, and to the apolitical Obamaniacs, my advice is to read "Being There" by Jerzy Kosinski, or see the film version of the same name starring Peter Sellers.

Also read "The Emperor's New Clothes" by Hans Christian Andersen.

"Men go mad in herds, but only come to their senses one by one." — Charles Mackay, 19th century Scottish journalist

[QUOTE=SteveC]Obama.

The alternative was too terrible to contemplate, (Palin as president in waiting! But I'm pretty sure it'll be more of the same.[/QUOTE]I can only hope your post was in jest. If not, you are a complete ass. Please quote me any policy statement that Palin has ever made, on any subject (you have no idea because you are just spouting talking points) You are so fucking clueless that you have no idea what "it" is that you stand for, however, you know it is consistent with what runs on MSNBC.

This isn't about who is more qualified: an under-experienced governor vs. An absolutely inexperienced (sleeper commie) senator. This is about an angry Marxist trying to destroy the single greatest country mankind has ever known.

Gridlock is what McCain / Palin would have brought and that is preferable to dismantling the capitalist system. Gridlock implies no further damage to the fabric of our nation.

Obama is actively and intentionally trying to weaken, if not destroy, the United States. There is no defense of what he is doing and it is beginning to show. His massive, overreaching play will ensure conservative (not Republican) domination for a very, very long time.

What Obama and his radical friends did not learn by reading Salinsky, is that you can not kill the American Spirit, just as one can not destroy matter. America will survive Obama and America will repudiate everything for which he stands (in very short order)

The impending rebound of both conservatism (small govt + personal responsibility) and capitalism will astound almost all spectators. I plan to participate in both and will be far to busy to waste anytime saying 'I told you so' to all you ignorant douche bags that gambled with our nation by voting for Obama for 'the sake of change.' Each and everyone of you cocksuckers (thanks Exon) have done your part to fuck the USA either through ignorance or arrogance. You have done a great nation a disservice and should repent.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt]The US, 50% latin? Where would future mongers go? Chinese female ratio is dropping drastically with one child policy. Looks like India or Africa. Imagine future Jacksons and Exons sitting in a cafe in Chennai or Lagos surrounded by Chinese / Japanese mongers! I feel a headache creeping up on me, I need release, can anybody help? I am in Arles in Provence.[/QUOTE]Chinese, Japanese or Indian mongers travelling the US for fresh flesh wouldnt be that economicly unconcievable, since the USD is actually without their support not worth more than the argentine Peso in 2002 (the US are simply unable to refund their exponentially growing debt) In Argentina, you can witness them overbidding north american mongers. I doubt tho they will ever venture en masse to the northern part of the american continent, since the average undesirability of overweight females intoxicated by castrating feminism, and the hypocritical sexually repressive legal environment constitute perfect monger repellents. They d rather choose Australia or Russia for a taste of genetically preserved pale skinned exotism. Your sisters/mothers/daughters are safe.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye]. That gambled with our nation by voting for Obama for 'the sake of change.'[/QUOTE]Probably would have been more effective if I left out the invective, however, I had had my fill of cavalier attitudes on issues that may have permanent, negative impacts on our lives and those who follow us and may taken a shortcut instead of better articulating the point.

I respect everyone's right to their own opinions, the right of the individual to be ignorant and / or uninformed and, I guess I begrudgingly, I have to accept the individual's right to be cavalier about the future of our nation (but that one kills me) None of these 'conditions' is unique to one party or the other. I think that the cavalier is worse and more dangerous than the ignorant. The country is far too precious to experiment with things like "change for the sake of change" or falling for some sloganeering like "hope and change."

If they have been on medication for a long time, would they just reach into a grab bag of pills and take one at random just for the sake of "change?" After all, they have hope for a cure maybe that will be the resultant change (or maybe it will be terminal, but hey, in that case they won't be around to be suffer the consequences of their poor decision)

Where is the 'hope' for the newly minted unemployed (increased 3.6% from the 5.8% 2008 average to 9.4%) I'm pretty sure that the change they were hoping for wasn't to substitute the unemployment line for the office.

Don't jump in here that it's Bush's fault (blah, blah, blah) Obama inherited an economic mess (we can argue where responsibility belongs) and has proceeded to use fear and intimidation as his tools (must have had to send hope and change out for repair) to explode the national debt for his political agenda--not for the good of the country.

The fact remains that you can not spend and / or borrow your way out of debt. The judicious use of leverage to fuel growth is another story all together and certainly not applicable here.

There are no easy answers. Without stimulous we could have 1930's depression and if we increase debt by huge amounts, then we could a simular but slightly different economic disaster: hyper-inflation when other countries don't want to invest in dollars and will not help us service our debt.

Yes, we are living in interesting times. Many different views of how to fix the situation and there are no easy answers. I may respectfully disaggree with Walley's point of view and maybe WAlley and I might have dialog?

Wild Walleye,

You even misquoted me in your opening paragraph. Well done! I'm not sure if you noticed but my comments were actually disparaging Obama. I just take it for granted that anyone with half a brain would realise that Palin is an international embarrassment for the USA. There again, I get the impression that the neocons don't give a damn what the rest of the world thinks (although their troops are welcome). Such as Cheney talking of "European intellectuals" with a contemptuous smirk on his face. Are european intellectuals worse than US intellectuals? Or is he afraid of all intellectuals?

Anyway Wild Walleye, thanks for the rant, I had a good laugh, but you'll have to get over the fact that Obama won, you lost!

Btw, you asked me to quote "any policy statement that Palin has ever made, on any subject". Here's a link to some of Palin's policies. I have actually read some of them. [url]http://www.ontheissues.org/sarah_Palin.htm[/url]. Some of them actually make sense.

So, just out of interest, when you describe Obama as "an angry Marxist", can you repay the favour and quote me any policy statement that Obama has ever made that makes him a Marxist. I doubt if you've a clue what a Marxist actually is if you claim that Obama is one, but if you prove me wrong I'll shout my apologies long and loud. Your move.

I did start with the proviso regarding your angle.

[QUOTE=SteveC] I just take it for granted that anyone with half a brain would realise that Palin is an international embarrassment for the USA.[/QUOTE]I'd rather be embarrassed than see the country destroyed.

[QUOTE=SteveC]Anyway Wild Walleye, thanks for the rant, I had a good laugh, but you'll have to get over the fact that Obama won, you lost![/QUOTE]The whole country lost my friend, as did future generations, ergo my disdain for nonchalance.

[QUOTE=SteveC]when you describe Obama as "an angry Marxist", can you repay the favour and quote me any policy statement that Obama has ever made that makes him a Marxist. I doubt if you've a clue what a Marxist actually is if you claim that Obama is one, but if you prove me wrong I'll shout my apologies long and loud. Your move.[/QUOTE]Let's start with:

"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody"

You're right, I never heard of Marx until I heard his name on right wing radio! I had to go to Wikipedia and look him up. Can you believe we never covered him in college? Harder still to see how I walked away with a major in Econ and did not know who Marx is--but you've found me out. A good minority of my profs were warm to Marx and they all loved Keynes (just wiki'd him too) I also must have been smoking in the boys room when we covered Das Kapital in 10th grade econ. You are onto something though, I am clueless about what anyone with an IQ over 40 would find attractive about Marxism.

So, "I think when you spread the wealth around, its good for everybody". Doesn't quite make it for a definition of "Angry Marxist". If it was, you'd be sharing the country with a hell of a lot of those critters.

I think I need some more enlightenment from you before I accept your view of him as the "angry Marxist". If you can't, maybe you would withdraw it. I'm sure that you wouldn't want to be the guy who slanders without any justification.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye]Let's start with:

"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody"

You're right, I never heard of Marx until I heard his name on right wing radio! I had to go to Wikipedia and look him up. Can you believe we never covered him in college? Harder still to see how I walked away with a major in Econ and did not know who Marx is--but you've found me out. A good minority of my profs were warm to Marx and they all loved Keynes (just wiki'd him too) I also must have been smoking in the boys room when we covered Das Kapital in 10th grade econ. You are onto something though, I am clueless about what anyone with an IQ over 40 would find attractive about Marxism.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SteveC]So, "I think when you spread the wealth around, its good for everybody". Doesn't quite make it for a definition of "Angry Marxist". If it was, you'd be sharing the country with a hell of a lot of those critters.

I think I need some more enlightenment from you before I accept your view of him as the "angry Marxist". If you can't, maybe you would withdraw it. I'm sure that you wouldn't want to be the guy who slanders without any justification.[/QUOTE]Walleye, Who the fuck is this guy thinking you should withdraw your comment? - Truly Yours, Sarah Palin.

The boy doesn't know shit about Marxism or World history, but obviously he must be "enlightened". Love the way he can flippantly espouse a World View of Sarah Palin and then he says you "Slander without any Justification"?

I think he also keyed your car in the parking lot. Are you going to let him get away with that?

I love that enlightened bullshit; every coward I have ever met was enlightened.

Steve C, What the fuck is a NeoCon?

QuakHunter,

I'm sure I'm not getting the joke here, but as far as I know enlighten means "impart knowledge to", or thereabouts. Every coward you ever met was enlightened? Maybe a private joke between you and Wild Wallace.

As for the meaning of neocon, I'm sure someone with your extensive knowledge of world history and marxism would know this, you're just having a laugh with me aren't you! If not, PM me and I'll explain, I'm sure we can save bandwith on the board rather than discussing it here.

And yes, it was me in the car park.

1) If my statement, in the abstract was considered to be slander (which I do not consider it to be) it would more than likely fall under the definition of libel, due to the medium through which I communicated my opinion.

However, under the first amendment (not yet suspended by BHO) of the Constitution as interpreted by the Warren Court in NYTimes v. Sullivan, because BHO is a public figure, he would in fact need to prove actual malice on my part in making the statement. There is no malice on my part I am simply calling a (wait, I can probably come up with a better colloquial phrase than that one - even though the origin of that one has nothing to do with race) marxist a marxist.

"As Mr. Justice Brandeis correctly observed, 'sunlight is the most powerful of all disinfectants.'" From Brennan's opinion.

2) I'll withdraw my comment when proved wrong.

3) I was wondering who keyed my car. Do you know how hard it is to get Ferrari Red imported into Argentina? You have to admit, it is a pretty sweet ride, have you ever seen another '64 Ford Falcon that color? And the mag wheels finish off the look.

Check this blog and find out how odd similarities are occuring in the news in 1930 and 2009.

[url]http://newsfrom1930.blogspot.com/[/url]

Today, O'Bama announced a new New Deal plan to fight unemployment, creating 600,000 government funded jobs. More debt? Who cares. We ll just print more funny money and buy our own bonds.

The US got out of the 1929 crisis thanks to the 40s war economy.

Same causes, same consequences?

Wild Walleye,

You're right, slander is usually reserved for defamation by oral utterances, in a strictly legal sense, but I was using it in a more general sense, such as in.

"malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name". In this case whether its malicious or defamatory is a matter of opinion, but I'd say its definitely factually false.

So, I'm still not convinced you have an idea what a Marxist is. Maybe you could give us another definition other than "Black Democratic US President"? I'm only asking again because I've got a pretty good idea of what a Marxist is, and I get sick and tired of a bunch of Republicans banding around the word as an insult when they don't have a clue what a Marxist is. IMHO. If you could convince me that he is I'd be delighted to revise my opinion. Always eager to learn.

And yes, a nice ride indeed.