Then accept my bet buddy!
[QUOTE=Esten; 424908]USA Today / Gallup poll
July 19-22, 2012.
And=1030.
Candidate perceived as better on the economy:
Romney 51%
Obama 41%
Pew Research Center poll.
June 28–July 9, 2012
And=2973.
Which candidate would do the best job of improving economic conditions?
Obama 48%
Romney 42%
CNN poll
June 28-July 1, 2012.
And=1517.
Who would better handle the economy?
Obama 48%
Romney 47%
El Alamo "facts" turn out to be just more crap. Romney has usually led on this question, but not by a 2:1 margin. Some recent polls show Obama catching up. This trend will likely be sustained with the report of 172, 000 private sector jobs created last month. El Alamo should stick to his Dennis Miller imitation, even his dog Rocky would agree.[/QUOTE]Dude, you can't post this shit and not accept my bet. I await your response. Monger On Dude. Toymann.
Ps. No threeways with Tres, you are not that open minded. LOL
Pps. As they say in my part of the world "put your money where you mouth is dude!". Enough said!
DEAL! With one condition!
[QUOTE=Esten; 424913]Even easier for you to win the bet. Only Romney has to win. We didn't talk details before, but I thought the focus was on the Presidential race. I'm just not following the Congressional races much and have much less interest in them.
I'll make a simple bet with you on who wins the Presidency. I win if Obama wins. You win if Romney wins. 2000 peso max night at Madahos.[/QUOTE]With one sweetener. If the republicans win the senate, we start with a meal on YOU at Parilla Pena (with all the fixings and wine)! Just say DEAL and we on on like DONKEY KONG! Monger On Dude. Toymann.
Just say "Deal" and we are on buddy. Toymann
You are such a tight-ass liberal ***** dude BUT
[QUOTE=Esten;424942]No deal, no sweeteners especially the one-sided kind! Just a simple bet on the presidential race. Though if we are in town at the same time I am definately up for dinner.[/QUOTE]WE ARE ON LIKE DONKEY KONG. Let the games begin. I will not be in Argentina in November BUT will be back after my fall trip in the spring. Mid-March to mid-April. We'll try to connect in March / April. I know you will be good for it, so start saving now. In fact, when I win the bet I'll buy dinner at parilla pena. How's that for non-partisan politics. Monger on Dude. Toymann
ps. I do find it interesting Esten that your actions confirm my position that the senate wil go GOP. Very interesting! Very interesting!
Running a business ≠ running a government
[QUOTE=Wild Walleye;424971]I think that is pretty pathetic as the only thing that makes you think that your candidate will win is that his opponent is a successful businessman.[/QUOTE]Wrong.
Romney has far more experience in business than Obama and is more qualified to run a business than Obama. If I owned a business and had to choose someone to run it, I'd pick Romney over Obama.
The problem, something many conservatives easily forget, is that [u]a business is DIFFERENT from a government[/u]. A business exists to make a profit. A government exists to represent and serve the people. There is overlap but they just aren't the same thing.
Romney's policies will be good for business owners and investors (big and small) , but that is not enough. We also need a focus on keeping the middle class strong. That is the balance we need in government. Romney subscribes to the Republican theory that if we help the guys at the top, prosperity will trickle down to everyone else. But, more and more people are realizing that trickle down economics is a hoax and a failure. THAT is why Obama will win and Romney will lose.
Sorry, I have to call bullshit on this one.
[url]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443792604577574910276629448.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop[/url]
"The plan says these cuts would be financed in a revenue-neutral way. First, by "broadening the tax base," which means reducing or eliminating tax deductions and loopholes as in the tax reform of 1986. The Romney campaign doesn't specify which deductions—no campaign ever does—but it has been explicit in saying that the burden would fall most on higher tax brackets. So in return for paying lower rates, the wealthy get fewer deductions."
Romney tax plan will increase my taxes just as Reagan's tax cut increased my taxes in 1986.
"Second, the Romney campaign says it expects to increase revenues by increasing the rate of economic growth to 4, up from less than 2% this year and in 2011."
Highest GDP forecast from the Economist Board of Forecasters is for 2. 6% growth with average being 2. 1.
"Every major marginal rate income tax cut of the last 50 years—1964, 1981, 1986 and 2003—was followed by an unexpectedly large increase in tax revenues, a surge in taxes paid by the rich, and a more progressive tax code—I. E, the share of taxes paid by the richest 1% rose."
So why is this plan better or even different than Obama's that is also increasing taxes on the richest.
Of course you need to figure how he is going to get to 20% of GDP when Romney is also going to reverse defense spending cuts.
It is probably time for change but how gullible do the Conservatives think we are? Be honest. This decrease in marginal rates is baloney. Romney should say he is going to raise taxes just like Obama to reduce the deficit. He will also probably increase fees on things we use like listening to NPR or driving our ATVs on public lands. It is what he did in Massachusetts.
Bull Shit on your Bull Shit
Big Boss Man, Politicians have screwed up the tax system by jacking up tax rates and then offering all types of deductions, exemptions and tax credits to their favored special interests. They get campaign contributions in return. Examples:
1. Hedge and private equity fund managers like Romney are taxed on their fees at the rate of 15%, the long term capital gains rate, instead of 35% like everyone else. This is a system that Chuck Schumer (Democrat Senator from NY) fought tooth and nail to preserve until recently, to protect fund owners in New York.
2. Companies who put in alternative energy projects, like wind, geothermal, etc, receive tax credits from the government. They turn around and sell the tax credits to people and companies who can use them. They pay for their projects with tax credits.
3. Companies and homeowners deduct interest expense. O.K., maybe this is reasonable, maybe it's not. But it encourages a culture of debt. People are rewarded for borrowing instead of saving, especially with interest rates close to zero. After inflation and taxes, you're losing money big time keeping it in the bank or money market funds.
What you seem to favor is a system that makes the economy less efficient and gives politicians, Republicans and Democrats, chips to buy off special interests. It makes dealing with the tax code extremely cumbersome. Tens of billions of dollars are flushed down the drain annually doing the accounting work to prepare tax and information returns for the IRS. People and companies do all kinds of things that don't make economic sense, except to lower their taxes by taking advantage of loopholes.
In any event, if elected, it's unlikely Romney will succeed in lowering tax rates significantly, just as, I hope, it's unlikely Obama will be successful in jacking the federal income tax rate up to 40%+. Obama's emphasis on high marginal rates and the opportunities that provides politicians to hand out special favors shows why Esten is wrong. Politicians with no knowledge of how business works can screw up the economy royally.
What are you smoking dude!
[QUOTE=Esten; 424974]I am hoping to come out in late November, will confirm later. If I win that is when I would prefer to collect my prize.[/QUOTE]You won't be collecting any PRIZE till we are in town together dude. What are you thinking. I come to BA on a set schedule like clockwork. Suggest you adapt your schedule after November. Like I am going to just leave you 2000 pesos to spend without me as a wingman. IALOTFLMAO. We'll be in town eventually at the same time home boy. You wild-ass liberals just seem to have little common sense. Monger on Dude. Toymann.
Ps. That said. The bet is on like donkey kong.
You left out one small fact TINYBOY!
[QUOTE=Tiny12; 424978]Big Boss Man, Politicians have screwed up the tax system by jacking up tax rates and then offering all types of deductions, exemptions and tax credits to their favored special interests. They get campaign contributions in return. Examples:
1. Hedge and private equity fund managers like Romney are taxed on their fees at the rate of 15, the long term capital gains rate, instead of 35% like everyone else. This is a system that Chuck Schumer (Democrat Senator from NY) fought tooth and nail to preserve until recently, to protect fund owners in New York.
2. Companies who put in alternative energy projects, like wind, geothermal, etc, receive tax credits from the government. They turn around and sell the tax credits to people and companies who can use them. They pay for their projects with tax credits.
3. Companies and homeowners deduct interest expense. O. K, maybe this is reasonable, maybe it's not. But it encourages a culture of debt. People are rewarded for borrowing instead of saving, especially with interest rates close to zero. After inflation and taxes, you're losing money big time keeping it in the bank or money market funds.
What you seem to favor is a system that makes the economy less efficient and gives politicians, Republicans and Democrats, chips to buy off special interests. It makes dealing with the tax code extremely cumbersome. Tens of billions of dollars are flushed down the drain annually doing the accounting work to prepare tax and information returns for the IRS. People and companies do all kinds of things that don't make economic sense, except to lower their taxes by taking advantage of loopholes.
In any event, if elected, it's unlikely Romney will succeed in lowering tax rates significantly, just as, I hope, it's unlikely Obama will be successful in jacking the federal income tax rate up to 40%+. Obama's emphasis on high marginal rates and the opportunities that provides politicians to hand out special favors shows why Esten is wrong. Politicians with no knowledge of how business works can screw up the economy royally.[/QUOTE]
Prior to investing your money in an investment that the gains will be taxed going forward at 15% WHAT WAS THAT MONEY TAXES AT PREVIOUSLY. You wild-ass liberals kill me! At current 2% of the tax payers pay 70% of the US taxes. So whats your number Tiny? 80, 85, 90 100! Please just let us know and we can settle this once and for all! All us in the 2% just want to know WHAT WILL SHUT YOU IDIOTS THE F$CK UP! Us 2% just HATE to pay our share, don't ya know. GIVE ME A BREAK! It is obvious that you have never made any investment in anyone or anything BUt yourself and have never owned a small business. DEDUCTIONS! What the heck are you talking about! Idiots like you make me sick! Happy Mongering all. Toymann
I've never gotten direct answer to this question from a liberal.
This discussion segues perfectly into a question that no liberal has ever answered directly:
The top 1% of income earners in the USA pay 40% of all income taxes.
The top 5% of income earners in the USA pay 60% of all income taxes.
The top 10% of income earners in the USA pay 70% of all income taxes.
The bottom 50% of income earners in the USA pay 2.7% of all income taxes.
So here's my question to liberals: [b]What percentage of all income taxes do you believe should be paid by the top 10% of income earners? [/b]
In other words, what do you believe is a fair proportion?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Thanks,
Jackson
Toymann is an idiot and WorldTravel69 is a wise man
Toymann, YOU IDIOT, I agree with everything you wrote. Look up carried interest on the internet. The 15% tax on carried interest is a tax on fees received by hedge fund and private equity fund managers. It was a gift of the Democratic party to Wall Street. Remember that Wall Street used to support Democrats. After four years of Obama, it's swinging Republican. If fund managers were taxed like everyone else, they'd currently be paying 35% federal income tax, which I agree is higher than it should be.
If Romney wins the presidency and the Republicans get 60 seats in the senate, there's a good chance you'll see marginal tax rates go down and loopholes like carried interest disappear. This is what you'd expect from Romney's and Ryan's tax plans. This would be good for the economy. BTW, based on his flat tax post, WT69 sees wisdom in the idea. WT69, I'm proud of you for being willing to take ideas from both sides, and I'm not being sarcastic.
I'd prefer a progressive consumption tax to a progressive income tax. But that's not going to happen. So if we can reduce marginal rates, eliminate loopholes, and simplify the tax code all will come out ahead.
