American Politics during the Obama Presidency

Call you an extreme idiolog with impulse control who makes jackson's politics look more like teddy kennedy's politics than yours. But since you're a great guy, I won't say that.

From a guy who knows what marx wrote about and knows that there is not one marxist in the democratic party[unless they might be undercover] and the bushies took the original neo-conservative ideas and put them into practice in a way that would make most of the original neocon' shudder in horror. Ask Jackson, he studied politcal.

Theory at a top school and understands the difference between Marx, Stalin and Trotsky. Being a politcal moderate or slightly left of center may be offensive to some, but even the Nazi party enjoys the protections of free speach.

Waiting to be flamed. I'm buying the first round on Friday guy!

[QUOTE=Miami Bob]. Waiting to be flamed. I'm buying the first round on Friday guy![/QUOTE]You know there is no way I can flame you, to whom I owe a debt of honor. It is I that will by the first drink.

Funny coincidence, I am a moderate too!

My conservatism is not neo-conservatism (whatever that term has come to represent) it is based on the same fundamentals as Reagan's: smaller government (focused on national security and the few things that govt can do better than the private sector) personal responsibility and freedom. Nothing more, nothing less.

I love everyone (especially if you have big titties, a tight cooch and no dick)

Fire up the Pisco Sours and Frenet.

"Gingrich at Republican Fundraiser Says Obama’s ‘Already Failed’.

Obama’s plan to fix the economy through stimulus spending and government intervention to boost companies like General Motors Corp. Has "already failed.”

I’m sure some of you can put a good spin on this, but here's the link.

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20090609/pl_bloomberg/affk5skijh5s[/url]

BTW Is it true that "GM" now stands for "Government Motors"?

[QUOTE=Punter 127]"Gingrich at Republican Fundraiser Says Obama's 'Already Failed'.

Obama's plan to fix the economy through stimulus spending and government intervention to boost companies like General Motors Corp. Has "already failed."

I'm sure some of you can put a good spin on this, but here's the link.

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20090609/pl_bloomberg/affk5skijh5s[/url]

BTW Is it true that "GM" now stands for "Government Motors"?[/QUOTE]GM also stands for "Gimme More".

[QUOTE=SteveC]So, I'm still not convinced you have an idea what a Marxist is. Maybe you could give us another definition other than "Black Democratic US President"? I'm only asking again because I've got a pretty good idea of what a Marxist is, and I get sick and tired of a bunch of Republicans banding around the word as an insult when they don't have a clue what a Marxist is. IMHO. If you could convince me that he is I'd be delighted to revise my opinion. Always eager to learn.

And yes, a nice ride indeed.[/QUOTE]I can't find a place in the recent posts where any of the esteemed posters on either side of the Aisle, especially WW, used the term "Black Democratic US President" in their argument. So congratulations, you get the Sharpton / Jackson / Farrakhan Race Card award! Nice play, SteveC!

Regarding your assertion that my good friend the Wild Fish, (Actually we have not met yet) has no idea what a Marxist is, let me help with a definition from the esteemed, unassailable, 100% accurate, definitive source of the internet, Answers. Com:

Marx-ism: (n) The political and economic philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in which the concept of class struggle plays a central role in understanding society's allegedly inevitable development from bourgeois oppression under capitalism to a socialist and ultimately classless society.

Class struggle? Redistribution of wealth? Bourgeois oppression? Classless society?

Wild Walleye does know what he is talking about. He is the smartest man in the whole wide world.

[QUOTE=QuakHunter]Wild Walleye does know what he is talking about. He is the smartest man in the whole wide world.[/QUOTE]Thank you Quak, although I prefer the moniker of "most interesting man in the world."

Hey Lib, you got me, you can see right through to my thinly-veiled redneck and have exposed the burning crosses and lynch mobs lurking in my heart. Damn, I wish I wasn't so transparent.

Here comes another brainless liberal who is calling me a racist because I disagree with a man narrowly (yes I said narrowly) elected, last fall. It isn't racism when liberals call Colin Powell and Condi Rice Uncle Toms but, if someone dares to criticize the Chosen One, it has to be racism and not the fact that I disagree with his policies and actions.

Of course, I can't possibly take issue with a president who has, in his first four months in office, created a deficit that will be larger than those of all prior US presidents combined and who has suspended the Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution (Ruth Ginsberg seems to agree with me on this one) and has proposed his own version of suspending habeas corpus (not for detaining Al-Qieda but for people like me who disagree with his policies) Not to mention using good ole fashion Chicago thuggishness in threatening to defame the Chrysler bond holders if they didn't eat the unconstitutional shit sandwich he decided to cram down their throats.

I don't like Sotomayor either (must be anti-latina) can't stand Shumer (must be antisemitic) I respect Colin Powell's service to the country but I think his policy stances suck (racist once again) I think Newhouse is a joke (anti-gay) and I think Gore is a snake-oil salesman (anti-fat white guy and anti-southern-former-bigots) and I think Hillary is horrible (anti-white-dyke)

I am such a hate-filled "bitter clinger" that I just realized I hate myself too.

You clearly don't know me or anything about me. You are just another 'enlightened' liberal who has been 'uneducated' to a point where you can't even articulate your side of an issue.

What was your creative process to come up with that response? Did it go like this: "Duh, I don't know what he said. Duh, I am confused. Wait, I know, you're a racists."

What do you expect him to say. He is preparing for the 2010 elections. At least it appears that we are not headed towards a 1930's depression unless China and India refuse to buy our debt.

I don't personally endorse everything in that stimulus package and GM is a very sticky and impossible situation, unless you just accept the consequences: all gm people out of work and many of their suppliers die. That is another possible path to a 1930's depression.

The specifics of how they are dealing with gm are not perfect and none of the choices are great, but it a whole better than just closing the door at gm, who is unlikely to get the loans that they need to stay in business from a non-governmental source. Or maybe tata motors from india could get gm's assets, then what do we do without an usa auto industry? If that really a good choice? War? I'm sure that china would love to own a strategic asset--like our auto and track manufacturing capacity.

That clearly scares the you know what out of me. This is what the invisible hand of the market would lead to happening---better or worse than O's flawed plan? It is easy to criticize, but all the choices are not great.

Over a generation GM has become non-competitive for more reason's than labor costs. REad comsumer reports reliability surveys--generally gm sells products that fall apart compare to the japanese producers. This has been a long time coming. Labor costs don't help and are definately a part of the problem, but GM has been poorly managed for some time in many ways.

When it comes to chicas--this man knows more than a thing or two.

Walley, I suggest that there is a very easy solution for our disaagreement about Friday night: We can order two rounds at the same time and split them, that way we are both buying the first round. Couldn't all of life be so simple.

After two rounds we can started to figure solutions to all the other impossible problems or get so loaded that we won't care. Either solution is fine by me.

Your internet friend who respects your right to disagree and thinks that the usa is a better place for it--all sorts of points of view getting slowly stirred, not shaken, and then being poured out of congress into a large martini glass with two olives,

Bob

Well guys, I sincrely apologise if you think I was calling you racists. The thought never entered my head. I only used the word 'black'in the phrase "Black Democratic US President" to indicate I was referring to Obama. I wouldn't use the term term racist lightly.

QuakHunter, you must have telepathic powers to describe me so accurately. "You are just another 'enlightened' liberal who has been 'uneducated' to a point where you can't even articulate your side of an issue".

There must be a new republican policy "Let's make sure our kids stay unenlightened". Your quote from Answers. Com is pretty succinct, but I still can't see Wild Willeye articulating his thought that the president is a Marxist.

In fact, thanks for the praise, I'd be proud to be considered enlightened, as in (from dictionary. Com)

1. To give intellectual or spiritual light to; instruct; impart knowledge to: We hope the results of our research will enlighten our colleagues.

2. Archaic. To shed light upon.

Is it only republicans who denigrate íntellectuals (which I am definitely not) and enlightenment? Maybe it endangers their fundamental evangelicism? But let's not get into that.

Anyway, whether he won in a landslide or narrowly is irrelevant. He still won!

[QUOTE=SteveC]Well guys, I sincrely apologise if you think I was calling you racists. The thought never entered my head. I only used the word 'black'in the phrase "Black Democratic US President" to indicate I was referring to Obama. I wouldn't use the term term racist lightly.[/QUOTE]Nice back pedal but that won't cut it. Your statement is clear. Your hit and then run away from your statements is typical of your ilk.

[QUOTE=SteveC]QuakHunter, you must have telepathic powers to describe me so accurately. "You are just another 'enlightened' liberal who has been 'uneducated' to a point where you can't even articulate your side of an issue".[/QUOTE]No, it was I that made that made your head spin with that pithy juxtaposition of antonymous concepts.

[QUOTE=SteveC]There must be a new republican policy "Let's make sure our kids stay unenlightened". Your quote from Answers. Com is pretty succinct, but I still can't see Wild Willeye articulating his thought that the president is a Marxist. [/QUOTE]"Enlightened" means just the opposite. However, since you are "enlightened" you can't understand that. Don't worry, there is a cure.

Enlightened does not equal educated.

[QUOTE=SteveC]Is it only republicans who denigrate íntellectuals (which I am definitely not) and enlightenment? Maybe it endangers their fundamental evangelicism? But let's not get into that.[/QUOTE]Who's denigrating intellectuals? I'm denigrating dim wits.

How's that song go? "Don't know much 'bout history."

[QUOTE=SteveC]Anyway, whether he won in a landslide or narrowly is irrelevant. He still won![/QUOTE]Bet you weren't saying that 2000-2009.

I was not suggesting that the electoral college be ignored or dismantled (as you and your unhinged brethren have done in the past) rather, I was pointing out flash point of the coming conflagration (which you won't notice for years) whereby the nearly half of the American voting populace that voted against BHO will be joined by a large number of those who actually voted for him (whether duped by the state-run media and just susceptible to monotony) in opposing the wholesale dismantling of a country that has done OK for the past couple hundred years.

Please don't take any of this personally, as you should know by now, you more than likely fall into an ethnic group that I despise thus joining good company.

Bob - I am in on starting double-fisted

From USA Today:

One of every six dollars of Americans' income is now coming in the form of a federal or state check or voucher.

Benefits, such as Social Security, food stamps, unemployment insurance and health care, accounted for 16.2% of personal income in the first quarter of 2009, the Bureau of Economic Analysis reports. That's the highest percentage since the government began compiling records in 1929.

Food stamps. Enrollment hit a record 33.2 million people in March, up 5.2 million from last year. The stimulus law boosted the size of the benefit. Average March benefit: $114 per person.

Social Security. The bad economy has prompted a 10%-15% jump in early retirements, the program's actuary says. A 5.8% increase took effect January 1. Bottom line: $55 billion in new costs.

In all, government spending on benefits will top $2 trillion in 2009 — an average of $17,000 provided to each U. S. Household, federal data show. Benefits rose at a 19% annual rate in the first quarter compared to the last three months of 2008.

Things are not good, 10% of the population on food stamps, schools closing, one in eight residential motgages underwater. WTF gentlemen. Do we just say the hell with everyone else, "I got mine, fuck them?" It is one hell of a statement about what and who we are.

Anyone interested in how we got here?

[url]http://harpers.org/archive/2008/05/0082023[/url]

Hey Wild Willeye,

Still waiting for you to justify calling Obama a Marxist. Its an easy slur to make but its a bit like calling Bush / Cheney a pair of fascists, equally wrong. I guess it'll never come so what the hell, let's forget it.

Anyway, my apology is "typical of my ilk"? That made me laugh, for someone concerned with being taken for something he's not, you've made assumptions about me that have been wrong just about every time. And on reflection, I think you must be pretty thin skinned to feel I was calling you a rasict.

I said I wasn't an intellectual, but maybe you are, (and there's nothing to be ashamed about it) using phrases like "pithy juxtaposition of antonymous concepts." Very nice! So, can you help me out with this paragraph you wrote?

" "Enlightened" means just the opposite. However, since you are "enlightened" you can't understand that. Don't worry, there is a cure."

WTF does this mean? Enlightened means just the opposite?

"Enlightened does not equal educated." I know this, I even gave you a good definition of the first word. I just assumed you would know the meaning of educated.

"Denigrating intellectuals?" I wasn't accusing you of that, I was referring to comment in an earlier post in this thread about Cheney, who does denigrate intellectuals. At least european ones.

BTW, remember what proportion of the popular vote Bush / Cheney got in 2000 before running the country? I presume you were equally pissed off then, or was that alright because they were republicans?

[QUOTE=SteveC]Well guys, I sincrely apologise if you think I was calling you racists.[/QUOTE]Mr. Enlightened one. Take the time and spell correctly. It is "sincerely" and "apologize". If you can spell correctly, which I am sure you can, please take the time to check the post before sending. There is this cool little "preview" button where you can review your post.

[QUOTE=SteveC]QuakHunter, you must have telepathic powers to describe me so accurately. "You are just another 'enlightened' liberal who has been 'uneducated' to a point where you can't even articulate your side of an issue".[/QUOTE]Take the time to read the prior posts to attribute comments to the proper author. And BTW, I do have telepathic powers. As a matter of fact, I have telekenesis as an additional gift. Just like in Stephen King's Book Carrie and teh movie of the same name. Is your head getting hotter? That's just me.

[QUOTE=SteveC]There must be a new republican policy "Let's make sure our kids stay unenlightened". Your quote from Answers. Com is pretty succinct, but I still can't see Wild Willeye articulating his thought that the president is a Marxist.[/QUOTE]Again, it's "Walleye", even though he uses his "Willeye" in Bs. Aires. And regarding his assertion on Obama's intentions:

Marx-ism: (n) The political and economic philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in which the concept of class struggle plays a central role in understanding society's allegedly inevitable development from bourgeois oppression under capitalism to a socialist and ultimately classless society.

Robbing the rich and giving to the poor. Whether it's healthcare, education, free cheese it still fits the definition. And Robin Hood did not hide his intentions.

[QUOTE=SteveC]In fact, thanks for the praise, I'd be proud to be considered enlightened, as in (from dictionary. Com)

1. To give intellectual or spiritual light to; instruct; impart knowledge to: We hope the results of our research will enlighten our colleagues.

2. Archaic. To shed light upon.

Is it only republicans who denigrate íntellectuals (which I am definitely not) and enlightenment? Maybe it endangers their fundamental evangelicism? But let's not get into that.[/QUOTE]Mr. Enlightenment, I hope I don't hurt your feelings with my opinion that you are not a spiritual or intellectual source of light. (And the fact that I do not believe anyone is praising you)

[QUOTE=SteveC]Anyway, whether he won in a landslide or narrowly is irrelevant. He still won![/QUOTE]True. 52% for Obama in 2008; 51% for Bush in 2004.

And he was attacked by your "ilk" for eight years. What is different now?

In the Immortal words of the great chicken philosopher, Foghorn Leghorn; "Put them books down Boy, we're going Fishin'"

Well Mr Confused One,

Confused is an antonym to enlightened, as I'm sure you know. I would think that would be apt for someone of "your ilk" who apparently hates the concept of enlightenment.

You certainly caught me out. I spelt sincerely wrong. On the other hand, where I come from apologise is the correct spelling. And if I wanted to be pedantic, I could recommend that, in your own words, you.

" take the time to check the post before sending. There is this cool little "preview" button where you can review your post."

If you'd done that you would have discovered that your spelling of "teh movie" is actually spelt "the movie". But thanks for the pointer, if I post again I'll use that function.

If you don't think that I'm " a spiritual or intellectual source of light", then stop describing me as such, or are you truly confused? Someone could get the impression that you do think I'm enlightened if you describe me that way so often.

Finally, I suspect that you don't genuinely think that Obama is a Marxist; that half-assed explanation you gave, in the words of your buddy Wild Walleye, just won't cut it.

I'm leaving tomorrow for a couple of weeks camping in Barriloche before things get much colder, so I'll be out of touch. If you've any more comments, afraid you'll have to wait until I get back for a response.

[QUOTE=SteveC] Finally, I suspect that you don't genuinely think that Obama is a Marxist; that half-assed explanation you gave, in the words of your buddy Wild Walleye, just won't cut it. [/quote]I can only speak for myself and I do believe it.

I am not interested in converting you (read some of my other spot-on, big-tent, mind-expanding, self-loathing posts) If you do not think that any of the examples of BHO's behavior and statements, cited herein, constitute a Marxist philosophy then it isn't worth the effort. Again, you are entitled to your opinions. I am entitled to disagree with them (for now at least)

[QUOTE=SteveC]I'm leaving tomorrow for a couple of weeks camping in Barriloche before things get much colder, so I'll be out of touch. If you've any more comments, afraid you'll have to wait until I get back for a response.[/QUOTE]Enjoy, that's God's country. Wait, I mean that is an area created by purely natural forces that we do not understand. I hope you have a great trip. Try posting about some mongering experiences when you get back, if you don't freeze your dick off whilst camping.