[QUOTE=Esten;431067]I never saw a bottle of cyanide jump up, run out and kill anyone.[/QUOTE]Also, I never saw a person shoot bullets without a gun.
Printable View
[QUOTE=Esten;431067]I never saw a bottle of cyanide jump up, run out and kill anyone.[/QUOTE]Also, I never saw a person shoot bullets without a gun.
[QUOTE=Esten;431129]Also, I never saw a person shoot bullets without a gun.[/QUOTE]I have. Not very effective though.
I took some money out of Wall Street just in case the Teabaggers decide on self immolation tactics over spending cuts. Unlike our Buddhist and Muslim brethren, I just don't see that kind of commitment by our evangelical friends extending to real physical acts. Figuratively speaking, they could get self immolated themselves in 2014 House elections if they do not want to be part of the process. Then, maybe, they will emigrate to Siberia. The writing is on the wall, the bush is burning, yet, they are acting out like the blind jihadists that we so dispised. Blind Faith.
Not saying spending cuts should not be top priority, but it's like putting on the condom before sticking your dick in some hole, There are priorities, and there is PRIORITY.
[QUOTE=Black Shirt; 431151]I took some money out of Wall Street just in case the Teabaggers decide on self immolation tactics over spending cuts. Unlike our Buddhist and Muslim brethren, I just don't see that kind of commitment by our evangelical friends extending to real physical acts. Figuratively speaking, they could get self immolated themselves in 2014 House elections if they do not want to be part of the process. Then, maybe, they will emigrate to Siberia. The writing is on the wall, the Bush is burning, yet, they are acting out like the blind jihadists that we so dispised. Blind Faith.
Not saying spending cuts should not be top priority, but it's like putting on the condom before sticking your dick in some hole, There are priorities, and there is PRIORITY.[/QUOTE]What happened to your lectures about excessive debt and a culture that spends, spends, spends? I agreed with that.
You're right about one thing, the 'teabaggers' may get immolated in the 2014 House elections, for trying to do the right thing. That's because many Americans are spoiled and stupid, and believe government can continue to spend money wildly and inefficiently. And they won't have to pay for it – if people making over $200, 000 or $300, 000 a year will just pay a little more, there will be plenty to cover the deficits in the federal government and Medicare and Social Security. What a joke!
The 'teabaggers' are all that stands between the USA as it is now and a situation like Greece. All Democrats and the majority of Republicans would spend us into oblivion.
[QUOTE=Tiny12; 431153]What happened to your lectures about excessive debt and a culture that spends, spends, spends? I agreed with that.
You're right about one thing, the 'teabaggers' may get immolated in the 2014 House elections, for trying to do the right thing. That's because many Americans are spoiled and stupid, and believe government can continue to spend money wildly and inefficiently. And they won't have to pay for it – if people making over $200, 000 or $300, 000 a year will just pay a little more, there will be plenty to cover the deficits in the federal government and Medicare and Social Security. What a joke!
The 'teabaggers' are all that stands between the USA as it is now and a situation like Greece. All Democrats and the majority of Republicans would spend us into oblivion.[/QUOTE]I think we can make a deal and be very happy about it. But the politics of trying to ruin Obama the last 4 years has been destructive to America. So, if you cannot take the blame for that, forget it! Obama is taking shit from his own party's extremists, in case you didn't realize it. He already caved in twice to Bush's tax cuts. But the stone throwing never ceases. Guess who's coming to dinner? This time, he's here to stay. Better have a pep talk with your inner self!
Nothing can be done overnight. Short term job recovery and long term deficit reduction, tatoo that on your forehead and we will be able to craft something that is going to work out. Are you and I better off than 4 years ago? You bet we are! 2012 was a year that you could have made money investing in just about anything that you threw your money at blindfolded. So stop all the propaganda about socialism and communism. Just to let you know where I am at, they should make everybody that makes $50, 000+ pay taxes. If they don't like it, they can emigrate somewhere else. And that is not government tyranny. I could go on but I should quit before Toyman gets a hard on for me.
[QUOTE=Black Shirt;431163]Just to let you know where I am at, they should make everybody that makes $50, 000+ pay taxes. If they don't like it, they can emigrate somewhere else. And that is not government tyranny. I could go on but I should quit before Toyman gets a hard on for me.[/QUOTE]Now we are talking! Always knew you had it in a BS. In my past socialist life only two things were a given! Everybody paid taxes but HeLL, healthcare was free. How the US ever got to the point where nearly half the population doesn't pay income tax, sure as hell beats me. As much as the Esten types just love this program, it will absolutely be the end of us! Just look north of the US border for a prime example. Canada has never done better and appears to be built to last! Everybody that earns a paycheck PAYS income tax, there are virtually NO tax exemptions, and an energy and geologically wealthy nation exploits its natural resources, to the sha-grin of the tree huggers!
Never really thought you were a hater, just threw that out to see if it stuck. Happy mongering BS. Toymann
Ps. You have to admit the 1 in 4 Americans with a criminal record was a tad over the top! LMAO
[QUOTE=Black Shirt;431163]I think we can make a deal and be very happy about it. But the politics of trying to ruin Obama the last 4 years has been destructive to America. So, if you cannot take the blame for that, forget it! Obama is taking shit from his own party's extremists, in case you didn't realize it. He already caved in twice to Bush's tax cuts. But the stone throwing never ceases.[/QUOTE]You're re-writing history. Obama is in favor of the Bush tax cuts for all but the 2% of taxpayers that make over $250,000 per year. What's been destructive to America over the last 4 years has been $1 trillion+ budget deficits. How that's going to end if you raise taxes on the top 2% and raise $100 billion per year, if you leave spending untouched, especially given the increases in Medicare spending coming down the pike? Obama apparently doesn't give a rat's ass about future generations or the shape the country's in after he leaves office.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;431165]You're re-writing history. Obama is in favor of the Bush tax cuts for all but the 2% of taxpayers that make over $250,000 per year. What's been destructive to America over the last 4 years has been $1 trillion+ budget deficits. How that's going to end if you raise taxes on the top 2% and raise $100 billion per year, if you leave spending untouched, especially given the increases in Medicare spending coming down the pike? Obama apparently doesn't give a rat's ass about future generations or the shape the country's in after he leaves office.[/QUOTE]I see your mind is already in the set mode. Outside the Kremlin, there are still some diehards marching for the good old days of the USSR. And here you are, saying you are willing to plunge down the fiscal cliff? And I thought you were a reasonable guy. Business leaders have already conceded that they can still make alot of money despite higher income rates. As for spending cuts, are you sure it is zero or is it up for negotiations?
[QUOTE=Esten; 431128]Punter, if you're not a member of the GOP or don't otherwise support them, let's just rephrase it that you evaded assigning responsibility to anyone except Obama. Same point. Anyways, I hope you don't give Congress a free pass. They are elected representatives and have power and responsibilities. Yes people and the media tend to focus on the President under which a law was passed. But that doesn't mean we don't or shouldn't hold Congress accountable as well. Congress has tremendous influence on what happens. Sometimes, a President is forced to sign legislation he does not entirely approve, as it may be the best deal he can get, and the consequences of not signing it may be worse.[/QUOTE]Esten you can phrase it anyway you want, thanks to our [i]'blindly following an ideology or principle'[/i] better known as the Constitution you have freedom of speech. The primary purpose of my original post was to show that Members 2041 was incorrect.
FYI I don't even vote in primary elections because I refuse to declare a political party. In my eyes the words politician and criminal pretty much go hand and hand and I want them all held accountable. But be forewarned when you start attacking the Constitution it's time for the gloves to come off.
[QUOTE=Esten;431128]Another issue I'm not too concerned with. But since you asked I gave it some thought. Consistent with my opinion on indefinite detention and right to due process, in principle I am against assassinating American citizens just on the basis of government labelling them a "terrorist". HOWEVER, I will concede an exception. Which is if the person is abroad and cannot be detained, and the government has evidence or probable cause the person is involved in terrorism. If an American is plotting a terrorist attack on the US, and we cannot detain him, do we do nothing? These are the tough questions in the war on terror. In this case I will give our government and it's intelligence operations (which have a pretty good record) the benefit of the doubt and allow them to take the guy out, rather than risk a terrorist attack on other Americans. Again, I arrive at my position through critical thinking, not blindly following an ideology or principle. If I see abuse of such power, I would then re-evaluate my position.[/QUOTE]That's a lot of "if", however I don't believe the Bill of Rights has any "if" in it.
Would you feel the same way if Bush was POTUS?
How do we know if there's any abuse of power, who does the government present its evidence to? Once you allow the Government to become Judge, Jury, and Executioner at their own discretion you are on a very slippery slope. That type of power is very hard to take back.
You and WT69 really should take the time to read the Constitution, it is after all the supreme law of our land. Like it or not.
Having seen & read todays news I'm a little concerned about Stranger garding those Oil Fields.
Does anybody know anything?
Exon
[QUOTE=Exon123; 431192]Having seen & read todays news I'm a little concerned about Stranger garding those Oil Fields.
Does anybody know anything?
Exon[/QUOTE]I just got an email from him and he is OK. I was nervous.
[QUOTE=Rocky2;431194]I just got an email from him and he is OK. I was nervous.[/QUOTE]The Strange One can take care of himself and leave no prisoners!
We all wish him the best in that awful place!
TL
[QUOTE=Punter 127;431176]That's a lot of "if", however I don't believe the Bill of Rights has any "if" in it.[/QUOTE]OK, we won't go after an American who joins Al-Qaida and isn't easily detained. We'll just let him continue his plan to attack us. Hundreds or thousands of Americans may die, but we'll feel good knowing we didn't violate the Bill of Rights.
[QUOTE]Would you feel the same way if Bush was POTUS?[/QUOTE]Absolutely, 100%.
[QUOTE]How do we know if there's any abuse of power, who does the government present its evidence to? Once you allow the Government to become Judge, Jury, and Executioner at their own discretion you are on a very slippery slope. That type of power is very hard to take back.[/QUOTE]We may not always know. But if the names are public, the media will cover it, and we can have an open discussion and assessment. I believe such decisions are not made lightly, and are made in the interests of national security, which is a role of the federal government. This was the case with Al-awaki, and no one is crying over him. Of course, if you think the government is your enemy, you may not share this view. You can trade the risk of one innocent American being killed, for the risk of hundreds or thousands being killed. That's exactly what you'll be doing.
[QUOTE=Esten;431129]Also, I never saw a person shoot bullets without a gun.[/QUOTE]I think I figured it out:
It's the [b]combination[/b] of [b]guns + people[/b] that results in gun violence.
Yeah, that's it.
So when someone says "Guns don't kill people, people do", you are dealing with someone who does not have a grasp on reality.
[QUOTE=Black Shirt;431167]I see your mind is already in the set mode. Outside the Kremlin, there are still some diehards marching for the good old days of the USSR. And here you are, saying you are willing to plunge down the fiscal cliff? And I thought you were a reasonable guy. Business leaders have already conceded that they can still make alot of money despite higher income rates. As for spending cuts, are you sure it is zero or is it up for negotiations?[/QUOTE]Black Shirt, for every $1. 00 that the federal government takes in, it spends $1. 40. I don't care if it's heroin or debt owed by a family or a business or a government, it's all the same thing, an addiction. The federal government is addicted to debt, and it appears that you, Obama, most Democrats and many Republicans don't give a crap. Obama and other politicians don't care because they'll be out of office before this catches up with them. I don't know about your reasons. Either you're old enough that you'll be dead before the USA goes bankrupt, or maybe you're a pollyanna. Anyway, the "teabaggers" are the only ones out there actually trying to do something about the problem. They do it at great political risk, because their position isn't popular, even though it's right. They don't deserve to be demonized. I'm as close as you can get to a card carrying member BTW, and contrary to your beliefs am not an evangelical nor do I believe in self immolation. And yes, spending cuts are up for negotiations, but as long as Obama is president and Democrats control the Senate there will be no progress.