American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[QUOTE=Tiny12;431229]Black Shirt, for every $1. 00 that the federal government takes in, it spends $1. 40. I don't care if it's heroin or debt owed by a family or a business or a government, it's all the same thing, an addiction. The federal government is addicted to debt, and it appears that you, Obama, most Democrats and many Republicans don't give a crap. Obama and other politicians don't care because they'll be out of office before this catches up with them. I don't know about your reasons. Either you're old enough that you'll be dead before the USA goes bankrupt, or maybe you're a pollyanna. Anyway, the "teabaggers" are the only ones out there actually trying to do something about the problem. They do it at great political risk, because their position isn't popular, even though it's right. They don't deserve to be demonized. I'm as close as you can get to a card carrying member BTW, and contrary to your beliefs am not an evangelical nor do I believe in self immolation. And yes, spending cuts are up for negotiations, but as long as Obama is president and Democrats control the Senate there will be no progress.[/QUOTE]With any addiction, I believe we have to admit to a problem, then find out the underlying causes and then prepare a plan for rehabilation. And of course, I think you know that we cannot conquer the addiction overnight or in one session. Addiction can often be a lifetime challenge.

So, where is the rot? The story of Lance Armstrong is the story of America today. I know, I know! I don't know shit! But just pause before you get enraged here. All I am trying to say is that when fame, power & wealth are your compass points, then an artificial wasteland awaits you. Just ask the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians or even the Chinese. Even as your garages & stomachs are full, the degneration has already started.

And then we have the politics of self destruction. Smearing & yelling, parroting talking points has taken over debate & discussion. So many con-men, talking on tv, making big bucks, saying things they do not believe in. They have sold they souls for the Almighty Dollar. The gun issue is a perfect example of a dysfunctional politics and society. Its not about public or private safety, or the 2nd Amendment, or hunting sports. If you really take a deep look, it's all about money. As the Indians remarked, the White Man (power) speaks with forked tongue. Self-Interests and their dildos (lobby) creates confusion and tap deep-seated prejuices. You are being controlled by Corporate America even as you are shouting against Big Government.

Take a break here, this is quite exhaustive.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt;431246]Take a break here, this is quite exhaustive.[/QUOTE]Good advice, after reading your last post I got a sudden urge to find a sword and then fall on it! Pretty dark place you live BS. Why so dark BS? Inquiring minds want to know. Happy mongering all. Toymann

[QUOTE=Toymann;431248]Good advice, after reading your last post I got a sudden urge to find a sword and then fall on it! Pretty dark place you live BS. Why so dark BS? Inquiring minds want to know. Happy mongering all. Toymann[/QUOTE]It is a dark time in America today when compared to America in the 60s & 70s. But I am very optimistic guy, and enjoying being alive, and like to think the best of people that I meet. Nothing wrong with making lots of money as long as you can live and enjoy a healthy and productive life at the same time.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt;431255]It is a dark time in America today when compared to America in the 60s & 70s. But I am very optimistic guy, and enjoying being alive, and like to think the best of people that I meet. Nothing wrong with making lots of money as long as you can live and enjoy a healthy and productive life at the same time.[/QUOTE]Ok. Starting to see where you might be coming from. Really can't share your experience as I was only a child in the 60s. LOL. Didn't immigrate to the US till early 90s and its wasn't that far a relocation. I live in an area that most likely hasn't changed that much from the times you lament have passed. Guess for me, the US is still a killer place to live. Have always marinated US was best country in the world to live in as long as you don't have to live in a big US city. Just my dos centavos BS. Toymann

[QUOTE=Black Shirt; 431246]With any addiction, I believe we have to admit to a problem, then find out the underlying causes and then prepare a plan for rehabilation. And of course, I think you know that we cannot conquer the addiction overnight or in one session. Addiction can often be a lifetime challenge.

So, where is the rot? The story of Lance Armstrong is the story of America today. I know, I know! I don't know shit! But just pause before you get enraged here. All I am trying to say is that when fame, power & wealth are your compass points, then an artificial wasteland awaits you. Just ask the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians or even the Chinese. Even as your garages & stomachs are full, the degneration has already started.

And then we have the politics of self destruction. Smearing & yelling, parroting talking points has taken over debate & discussion. So many con-men, talking on tv, making big bucks, saying things they do not believe in. They have sold they souls for the Almighty Dollar. The gun issue is a perfect example of a dysfunctional politics and society. Its not about public or private safety, or the 2nd Amendment, or hunting sports. If you really take a deep look, it's all about money. As the Indians remarked, the White Man (power) speaks with forked tongue. Self-Interests and their dildos (lobby) creates confusion and tap deep-seated prejuices. You are being controlled by Corporate America even as you are shouting against Big Government.

Take a break here, this is quite exhaustive.[/QUOTE]I agree with most of your post. And believe you've been taken in by the "con-men, talking on tv, making big bucks, saying things they do not believe in." You want to blame it on the "teabaggers" while absolving Obama and Democrats of responsibity. I don't know if you can read this without an account:

[url]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323320404578216583921471560.html?KEYWORDS=senate[/url]+finance+committee+wind+fiscal+cliff.

But the Senate Finance Committee slipped favors for Nascar, distillers, StarKist Tuna, Hollywood, wind and biofuels companies into the year-end tax bill. Ten of ten Democrats voted for this pork, and 6 of 11 Republicans did so too. Obama signed the bill, and this crap wouldn't have gotten into it without his support. It's business as usual in Washington.

The "teabaggers" who you demonize are the only ones watching the till. They have been largely powerless. The "Power" is held by establishment politicians, like your esteemed President. Please note from his example that being white is not a prerequisite for wielding power or lying.

[QUOTE=Esten;431224]OK, we won't go after an American who joins Al-Qaida and isn't easily detained. We'll just let him continue his plan to attack us. Hundreds or thousands of Americans may die, but we'll feel good knowing we didn't violate the Bill of Rights.[/quote]Key words [b]'easily detained, may die'[/b] Really? OK then lets just kill the cocksuckers and to hell with due process. The ACLU called they want your membership card back.

[quote]Absolutely, 100%.[/quote]Sure ok, I believe you. (cough cough)

[quote]We may not always know. But if the names are public, the media will cover it, and we can have an open discussion and assessment. I believe such decisions are not made lightly, and are made in the interests of national security, which is a role of the federal government. This was the case with Al-awaki, and no one is crying over him. Of course, if you think the government is your enemy, you may not share this view. You can trade the risk of one innocent American being killed, for the risk of hundreds or thousands being killed. That's exactly what you'll be doing.[/QUOTE]The media, are you kidding me? We don't have a news media anymore we have propaganda pushers that report what they want to report. Will 'open discussion and assessment' bring dead people back?

When governments start killing and detaining their own people without due process they always have some type of justification. In the interests of national security, is an excuse the federal government has been using for a long time, it goes way back. They use it for things like (but not limited to) putting Indians on reservation, the interment of German, Italian, and Japanese, Americans during WWII, Guantanamo Bay 'indefinite detention' camp, invasion of Iraq (WMD's) , the Patriot act, TSA, and for killing Americans they claim are terrorist. The problem with you 'critical thinkers' is you only look at right now, you never seem to consider problems you may be creating down the road by setting a precedent. I'm certainly not concerned about Al-awaki per se, but the killing of many citizens starts with the killing of one citizen and that gives me cause for concern.

The government is not my enemy but I don't trust them and I don't applaud everything they do like some clapping pinniped with a beach ball on his nose. People in positions of power need to be monitored and held accountable for their actions.

I will agree with you that it's the role of the federal government to protect us, as a matter of fact it was intended to be their primary role. We are a Constitutional Republic and our leaders have taken an oath to preserve and protect that Constitution.

This is my last word on this subject at least for awhile as I will be preparing for and executing my escape from sex prison in the next few days, Sex Paradise here I come. Whoo–hoo

[QUOTE=Punter 127; 431261]Key words [b]'easily detained, may die'[/b] Really? OK then lets just kill the cocksuckers and to hell with due process. The ACLU called they want your membership card back.

Sure ok, I believe you. (cough cough)

The media, are you kidding me? We don't have a news media anymore we have propaganda pushers that report what they want to report. Will 'open discussion and assessment' bring dead people back?

When governments start killing and detaining their own people without due process they always have some type of justification. In the interests of national security, is an excuse the federal government has been using for a long time, it goes way back. They use it for things like (but not limited to) putting Indians on reservation, the interment of German, Italian, and Japanese, Americans during WWII, Guantanamo Bay 'indefinite detention' camp, invasion of Iraq (WMD's) , the Patriot act, TSA, and for killing Americans they claim are terrorist. The problem with you 'critical thinkers' is you only look at right now, you never seem to consider problems you may be creating down the road by setting a precedent. I'm certainly not concerned about Al-awaki per se, but the killing of many citizens starts with the killing of one citizen and that gives me cause for concern.

The government is not my enemy but I don't trust them and I don't applaud everything they do like some clapping pinniped with a beach ball on his nose. People in positions of power need to be monitored and held accountable for their actions.

I will agree with you that it's the role of the federal government to protect us, as a matter of fact it was intended to be their primary role. We are a Constitutional Republic and our leaders have taken an oath to preserve and protect that Constitution.

This is my last word on this subject at least for awhile as I will be preparing for and executing my escape from sex prison in the next few days, Sex Paradise here I come. Whoo–hoo[/QUOTE]Punter,

I have sent a message to Edgar Hoover to detain you for an indefinite period for you to simmer and contemplate your weiner and it's devastating effect on women. Sex Paradise was finally able to get it's equilibrium back only a few days ago. And we cannot afford to have you come in and whiplash the girls into a frenzy stage again. I had a girl on her knees and drilling her like roto-rooter, but all she did was repeat the mantra,"Punter, more, Punter, more, Punter", endlessly. I think they are going to name the new typhoon after you.

[QUOTE=Tiny12; 431260]I agree with most of your post. And believe you've been taken in by the "con-men, talking on tv, making big bucks, saying things they do not believe in." You want to blame it on the "teabaggers" while absolving Obama and Democrats of responsibity. I don't know if you can read this without an account:

[url]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323320404578216583921471560.html?KEYWORDS=senate[/url]

+finance+committee+wind+fiscal+cliff.

But the Senate Finance Committee slipped favors for Nascar, distillers, StarKist Tuna, Hollywood, wind and biofuels companies into the year-end tax bill. Ten of ten Democrats voted for this pork, and 6 of 11 Republicans did so too. Obama signed the bill, and this crap wouldn't have gotten into it without his support. It's business as usual in Washington.

The "teabaggers" who you demonize are the only ones watching the till. They have been largely powerless. The "Power" is held by establishment politicians, like your esteemed President. Please note from his example that being white is not a prerequisite for wielding power or lying.[/QUOTE]First, just to be very clear, my referece to "white man" was not intended to make it a racial issue. I included "power" in brackets to refer to any powerful and established entity.

You may think me an ardent Obama supporter. For me, he is just the better alternative. On top of that, I think he has been unfairly villified right from the start. I believe in fair play, and giving a person a certain timeframe to hang himself. And this I did not see in the political arena or in AP. From the beginning, you would have thought that we had been invaded by Al Queda for all the vicious opposition that he was given. And the nitpicking, from the color of his toenails to his friends! As you just did about the Bill. Nothing is going to change overnight. There are favors to be paid in the old boys network. Pelosi & Reid are very powerful people. Like Texas hold-them poker, you can get killed with a pair of Aces. Don't be so naive! Ahh! Need I go on.

So, I salute your determination to curtain spending. But let's be pragmatic about this. Also as a country, we have more going for us than Greece, we have far more to room & resources to manouever and recover. More troublesome is our moral decay, for which there is zero chance of recovery.

Happy punting, Punter.

NRA Fundraising Email Steps Up Anti-Obama Rhetoric
[url]www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/17/nra-fundraising-email_n_2499853.html[/url]

So the NRA sent out a fundraising email a few days ago. You can read the text in the link above. It's clearly designed to alarm and anger their members. They must have had their top psychologists work on this one. I especially like this part:

[QUOTE]President Barack Obama recently pledged to raise $20 million to ram his gun ban agenda through Congress. And Obama's got plenty of rich, gun-hating friends in Hollywood, along with anti-gun billionaire Michael Bloomberg, who will shower him with the money he needs to strip you of your gun rights.[/QUOTE]

LMAO ! Also there's no evidence of Obama's $20 million pledge. Did they just make that up ?

The email also says the main goal of the "gun banners" is to "reduce your freedom to ashes". The email is just a pure play on emotion. There's no intelligent arguments about gun control measures, no genuine concern about addressing the huge amount of death and violence involving guns. Just an effort to rile up their members. Just like their tasteless television ad mentioning Obama's kids, which called him an "elitist hypocrite".

I sincerely hope that the "gun banners" are able to take this vile organization down a notch or ten.

Killed with guns since Sandy Hook.

That is the cost of fixing Bush's Bullshit.

Unpaid for Wars and his Banking Buddies.

Come On!

You can blame about 20% of it on Bush and the other 80% on Obama and the Democrats.There's a glimmer of hope coming from some Republican politicians,who favor policies promoting growth and reducing the budget deficit. Meanwhile Obama and and Democrats seem hell bent on fucking the private sector and bankrupting the country.

I respect you more than most liberals. You see the merits of a flat tax and you like Gary Johnson. And your positions make perfect sense from your perspective, that of someone over 65. Your party is more likely to preserve the quality of your retirement and health care. It's what's going to be left after you're gone that's frightening.

It's ironic, looking just at their own self interest, the youth should have voted for Romney/Ryan and senior citizens for Obama/Biden. But people are stupid.

Sarah.

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