American Politics during the Obama Presidency

It Hard to Believe that the Republican's Voted to Get Rid Of Slavery and The Democrats were Against it...

Oh How The Times Have Changed...

Now A Black President, and the republicans say Screw What The People Want, Let the Needy Starve.

What ever Happen to Send us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses?

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;431838]The Thread says American Politics during the Obama Presidency.

It started under Lincoln and ended under Obama.

I hope you saw the latest movie about Lincoln?

Need I say more?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;432120]This Photo is Perfect for Some Of You.

Check Again on California.
More like 80% Growth.
You Guys still have your finger Up YOUR, Guess What!![/QUOTE]Hey WT,

Your cartoon is completely erroneous.

I know this will come a a surprise to you, but there are lots of people in the country who do not want ObamaCare.

This is from an ABC News article lauding that the percentage of American citizens who are against ObamaCare has dropped to only ONE THIRD of everyone in the country:

"But only 33 percent of Americans now want to see the law repealed. Romney had pledged to repeal the law and replace it with new policy. 43 percent of Americans view the law favorably and 39 percent view it unfavorably, according to the poll.

[URL]http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/poll-fewer-support-obamacare-repeal/[/URL]

Now let me do the math: 300 million citizens in the USA means that approximately 120 million view ObamaCare unfavorabily, and a 100 million of them want to see it repealed.

That hardly sounds like the two men on a fragment of an island holding out against ObamaCare as your cartoon depicts.

Of course I understand: Facts aren't important to liberals, only emotions are important.

Thanks,

Jackson.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;432120]This Photo is Perfect for Some Of You.

Check Again on California.
More like 80% Growth.
You Guys still have your finger Up YOUR, Guess What!![/QUOTE]What do you mean WT69? Over 40% in California voted against Obamanation in 2012 elections.

[URL]http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/[/URL]President /2012/ CA.

This was a high water mark since the Reagan years. I know you find yourself, an aging hippy, totally disconnected with reality but it really is time to sober up! Your state is going bankrupt! Big time. Your agenda in California has totally failed. As a result of idiots like YOU I now hire employees at 30 to 40% of what I paid 5 years ago! Viva the free market. Small business will adapt. You might be one of the stupidest folks I have ever met. How did you go through life so totally disconnected from reality.

Keep howling at the moon. Happy mongering all. Toymann.

P.S. Please stop talking about privados when you haven't been to Argentina in (how long? Like any buddy cares?

Isn't it a B I T C H, How democracy works? Where the Majority Rules.

California is growing.

[URL]http://goldenstateoutlook.wordpress.com/[/URL]

Now that you cut your employees wages, I guess they will not be able to go to Argentina to site see or hunt like you do?

2011 was the last time I was there. Send me the money.

It is going to be really hard to get there if the Republicans get their way and cut my Earned Social Security; it's not an entitlement like the Republicans say it is.

[QUOTE=Toymann;432124]What do you mean WT69? Over 40% in California voted against Obamanation in 2012 elections.

[URL]http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/[/URL]President /2012/ CA.

This was a high water mark since the Reagan years. I know you find yourself, an aging hippy, totally disconnected with reality but it really is time to sober up! Your state is going bankrupt! Big time. Your agenda in California has totally failed. As a result of idiots like YOU I now hire employees at 30 to 40% of what I paid 5 years ago! Viva the free market. Small business will adapt. You might be one of the stupidest folks I have ever met. How did you go through life so totally disconnected from reality.

Keep howling at the moon. Happy mongering all. Toymann.

P.S. Please stop talking about privados when you haven't been to Argentina in (how long? Like any buddy cares?[/QUOTE]

It sure is, I don't know way any rational person would want to live in one. We have what is left of a representative republic. Democracy is a nice word for mob rule.

Oh and about Social Security, I was forced into the system about 1941 and the looters have been sucking from me ever since. Last year I was hard pressed to make my annual trip to Argentina, so far this year the issue is in doubt.

Don.

[QUOTE=Toymann;432124]Your state is going bankrupt! Big time. Your agenda in California has totally failed.[/QUOTE]The last thing I want to do is get into a political discussion with you. Or with anyone discussing politics (instead of mongering / eating / drinking); it's totally nauseating to me. And since you know me, you know I'm not a democrat. But your statement about California is inaccurate.

During the Schwarzenegger administration, our deficit ballooned up to $25 billion. Though, thanks to Grey Davis and an incompetent state legislature, he didn't have a whole lot to work with.

However, we finally have a governor in office who's willing to roll up his sleeves and do some heavy lifting; work that's making him very unpopular with his democratic colleagues in Sacramento. But it is turning the state around. For the fiscal year 2012, Brown got the deficit down to $9 Billion. And for this year's budget, according to the CA State Legislative Analyst's Office, California will be operating at a deficit of only $1.9 billion with an expected operating SURPLUS of $1 billion by 2014. How? A combination of voter approved sales and income tax increases AND budget cuts. Yes, budget cuts. Massive budget cuts. In California. Yep, he found a way to get lawmakers to the table and fucking compromise. That was one of the things I admired about Clinton. He always found a way to reach across the table and make things happen, even when those same hypocritical cocksuckers were trying to impeach him.

You and I share a common disdain for the Peoples Republic of Berkeley and the world hippy HQ of Santa Cruz. But California is on the road to prosperity again, thanks in large part to governor Moonbeam (you remember that nickname, right? He was also banging Linda Ronstadt back when she was hot). And by the way, I am not at all questioning your clearly superior political knowledge, business acumen or overall braininess. I actually enjoyed meeting you last month; you're really NOT an asshole after all...at least not to me :-) But you're just wrong about California, that's all.

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Now that you cut your employees wages, I guess they will not be able to go to Argentina to site see or hunt like you do?

.[/QUOTE]You need to read my posts more carefully. No employee has had their pay cut WT69. As I have mentioned before their take home pay has shrunk due to increased taxes in 2013, plus increased employee contribution for those electing healthcare.

Due to north of 20% unemployment in the bankrupt state of California the amount I have to pay for qualified medical billing / front office help has dropped from 19-20 $/ hour five years ago to 14-15 $/ hour in 2013. It's called "market conditions" dude. I recently put an ad in Craigslist looking for a couple of front office people. Got over 200 resumes in just a few hours. Ended up with two excellent candidates, hired one for 15 $/ hour and the other for 12 $/ hour. As your savior Obomanation over regulates and taxes my small business YOU would suggest I pay new employees more than market? Are you nuts? LMAO!

In this economy many folks are just happy to have a job. Your general lack of understanding of small business is very similar to your savior. Both of you are clueless. If Obomanation continues harassing my business he will force me to move all my support staff to part time job shares thus saving me the cost of benefits, such as holiday pay, sick pay, and of course healthcare. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction buddy. But here is some news you will be happy to hear. Just finished my 2012 taxes and my rate rose to 35% federally last year, but I was able (through payroll contributions versus k1 profit distributions) to keep my California taxable income under 250 k, so that son of a ***** California governor actually got less than he did the year before.

I would never have done this in the past, but after he passed the retroactive Robinhood state tax for 2012, I had just enough time to move more of my distributions through my payroll system functionally reducing my k1 California taxable income. I was most likely not the only one to make this move thus minimizing their California state tax exposure (you must reside outside of california of course). Just one more example of how when greedy democrats try to steal hard earned profits from those that rightfully made these funds, that many times they end up with less than they would have if they had just left small business alone! But I am very pleased that our president now feels that I have paid my fair share! LMAO. Happy mongering all. Toymann.

[QUOTE=Chezz;432131]The last thing I want to do is get into a political discussion with you. Or with anyone discussing politics (instead of mongering / eating / drinking); it's totally nauseating to me. And since you know me, you know I'm not a democrat. But your statement about California is inaccurate.

During the Schwarzenegger, our deficit ballooned up to $25 billion. Though, thanks to Grey Davis and an incompetent state legislature, he didn't have a whole lot to work with.

However, we finally have a governor in office who's willing to roll up his sleeves and do some heavy lifting; work that's making him very unpopular with his democratic colleagues in Sacramento. But it is turning the state around. For the fiscal year 2012, Brown got the deficit down to $9 Billion. And for this year's budget, according to the CA State Legislative Analyst's Office, California will be operating at a deficit of only $1.9 billion with an expected operating SURPLUS of $1 billion by 2014. How? A combination of voter approved sales and income tax increases AND budget cuts. Yes, budget cuts. Massive budget cuts. In California. Yep, he found a way to get lawmakers to the table and fucking compromise. That was one of the things I admired about Clinton. He always found a way to reach across the table and make things happen, even when those same hypocritical cocksuckers were trying to impeach him.

You and I share a common disdain for the Peoples Republic of Berkeley and the world hippy HQ of Santa Cruz. But California is on the road to prosperity again, thanks in large part to governor Moonbeam (you remember that nickname, right? He was also banging Linda Ronstadt back when she was hot). And by the way, I am not at all questioning your clearly superior political knowledge, business acumen or overall braininess. I actually enjoyed meeting you last month; you're really NOT an asshole after all...at least not to me :-) But you're just wrong about California, that's all.[/QUOTE]I actually hope you are correct my brother. My only issue with your analysis, is that as long as the unemployed rate remains so very high, it will be very difficult for California to bounce back. Are they still going forward with that crazy train? We will see if what the Governor is projecting actually comes to fruition. I hope so, but I see no end to high unemployment in California in the near future. Businesses continue to leave California by the droves to republican states like Texas and South Carolina. California needs to become more business friendly or a recovery is just not posible IMHO. Time will tell. I will be coming to northern cal in early April. Maybe we can get together for dinner if you are still Around. Monger on buddy. Toymann.

Taxes? We Don't Need No Stinking Taxes!

I thoroughly enjoyed NOT paying taxes for many, many years in the USAA. Seems that most of my income producing "Hobbies" were tax free, hell I don't know; but if they asked I would have gladly paid my taxes.

Actually, I did pay taxes for about 15 years. No choice. Maybe filed every 7 years as a joke. Can I travel freely? Not sure, maybe the Tax Man is waiting for me at the airport!

TM, can't you move your manufacturing facilities to Mexico and farm out your front office people to India?

Save a bunch of cash for the Chicas!

Have Fun,

TL.

P.S. I hate March 1st. It's Justin Bieber's birthday! What a no talent Pussy! To think he could have been born on my Birthday!

I know it was taxes, just getting your goat up.

[QUOTE=Toymann;432132]You need to read my posts more carefully. No employee has had their pay cut WT69. As I have mentioned before their take home pay has shrunk due to increased taxes in 2013, plus increased employee contribution for those electing healthcare.

Due to north of 20% unemployment in the bankrupt state of California the amount I have to pay for qualified medical billing / front office help has dropped from 19-20 $/ hour five years ago to 14-15 $/ hour in 2013. It's called "market conditions" dude. I recently put an ad in Craigslist looking for a couple of front office people. Got over 200 resumes in just a few hours. Ended up with two excellent candidates, hired one for 15 $/ hour and the other for 12 $/ hour. As your savior Obomanation over regulates and taxes my small business YOU would suggest I pay new employees more than market? Are you nuts? LMAO!

In this economy many folks are just happy to have a job. Your general lack of understanding of small business is very similar to your savior. Both of you are clueless. If Obomanation continues harassing my business he will force me to move all my support staff to part time job shares thus saving me the cost of benefits, such as holiday pay, sick pay, and of course healthcare. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction buddy. But here is some news you will be happy to hear. Just finished my 2012 taxes and my rate rose to 35% federally last year, but I was able (through payroll contributions versus k1 profit distributions) to keep my California taxable income under 250 k, so that son of a ***** California governor actually got less than he did the year before.

I would never have done this in the past, but after he passed the retroactive Robinhood state tax for 2012, I had just enough time to move more of my distributions through my payroll system functionally reducing my k1 California taxable income. I was most likely not the only one to make this move thus minimizing their California state tax exposure (you must reside outside of california of course). Just one more example of how when greedy democrats try to steal hard earned profits from those that rightfully made these funds, that many times they end up with less than they would have if they had just left small business alone! But I am very pleased that our president now feels that I have paid my fair share! LMAO. Happy mongering all. Toymann.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Toymann;432133]I actually hope you are correct my brother. My only issue with your analysis, is that as long as the unemployed rate remains so very high, it will be very difficult for California to bounce back. Are they still going forward with that crazy train? We will see if what the Governor is projecting actually comes to fruition. I hope so, but I see no end to high unemployment in California in the near future. Businesses continue to leave California by the droves to republican states like Texas and South Carolina. California needs to become more business friendly or a recovery is just not posible IMHO. Time will tell. I will be coming to northern cal in early April. Maybe we can get together for dinner if you are still Around. Monger on buddy. Toymann.[/QUOTE]I'm glad we can have a civil conversation regarding this. But frankly speaking, while I'm not bullish on Obama's fiscal policies, California, on the other-hand is a different matter. And regarding their unemployment rate, it's not 20%, but 9.8% as of November, and currently going down at a rather steep rate. However, California still lags behind the US as a whole and specifically NY and Texas by a long margin. Fucking Texas is at 6.6% Those shit-kicking bastards are working their asses off. California, while not the most business-friendly environment (don't get me started on the restrictions and mind-boggling laws regulating milk production, as an example), most everybody I talk to sees it in the beginning of a fairly nice bull run. I know you don't see it, but it is happening.

You won't find me in California...not for a long time. We'll talk offline about that...I'd rather keep my 20 on the DL. Take care.

What disappoints me about California is the law LA County recently passed... MANDATING condoms in porn. What the @$#% !!!

Now, the government is not really to blame here. It's the people who voted for Measure B, the 'Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry Act'. It was on the ballot in November. How could this happen in California? I always thought they were ahead of the curve in personal freedoms. Some "Aids Healthcare Foundation" lobbied for it, and I'm guessing the porn industry did not counter-lobby aggressively enough.

I read there are efforts to expand the law beyond LA County. It is truly ridiculous. The industry already has strong protections in place. And nobody is forcing anybody to be in porn. Condoms just aren't hot, and go against the grain of what porn is about. I hope the industry wins it's legal challenge, and if not, moves production elsewhere.

As if Sex Prison wasn't bad enough. Men need a champion in this country !

Its the age of Social Engineering. People who know more about what is good for you and me than you and I do. Bloomberg in NYC could be the most obvious prime example, but California maybe has more of a history of this behavior. Not to say that some of the legislation in NYC won't be helpful, but again, its the slippery slope that worries me. Once this kind of movement gains speed its hard to slow it down. I mean come on, they're only trying to "help".

BTW, if you want to take a look see into social engineering and govt. intrusiveness at its worst, then do some research into this current phenomenon in the UK. Very scary stuff indeed. Orwell knew his countrymen well.

But yeah, the condom thing is scary because-the porn industry now, you and me down the road. If you haven't purchased your required allotment of condoms for the month, then you get an inquiring email or knock on the door. Possibly you'll have your drivers license suspended if you're not using condoms. Sounds ludicrous, but many things would have sounded ludicrous 100 years ago that are reality now.

You never know what the assholes will come up with. But remember, its for your own good.

[QUOTE=Esten;432141]What disappoints me about California is the law LA County recently passed... MANDATING condoms in porn. What the @$#% !!!

Now, the government is not really to blame here. It's the people who voted for Measure B, the 'Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry Act'. It was on the ballot in November. How could this happen in California? I always thought they were ahead of the curve in personal freedoms. Some "Aids Healthcare Foundation" lobbied for it, and I'm guessing the porn industry did not counter-lobby aggressively enough.

I read there are efforts to expand the law beyond LA County. It is truly ridiculous. The industry already has strong protections in place. And nobody is forcing anybody to be in porn. Condoms just aren't hot, and go against the grain of what porn is about. I hope the industry wins it's legal challenge, and if not, moves production elsewhere.

As if Sex Prison wasn't bad enough. Men need a champion in this country ![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Esten;432141]What disappoints me about California is the law LA County recently passed... MANDATING condoms in porn. What the @$#% !!!

Now, the government is not really to blame here. It's the people who voted for Measure B, the 'Safer Sex in the Adult Film Industry Act'. It was on the ballot in November. How could this happen in California? I always thought they were ahead of the curve in personal freedoms. Some "Aids Healthcare Foundation" lobbied for it, and I'm guessing the porn industry did not counter-lobby aggressively enough.

I read there are efforts to expand the law beyond LA County. It is truly ridiculous. The industry already has strong protections in place. And nobody is forcing anybody to be in porn. Condoms just aren't hot, and go against the grain of what porn is about. I hope the industry wins it's legal challenge, and if not, moves production elsewhere.

As if Sex Prison wasn't bad enough. Men need a champion in this country ![/QUOTE]The truth is, the porn industry just will move. Go some where else. So who looses then?

[QUOTE=Gandolf50;432145]The truth is, the porn industry just will move. Go some where else. So who looses then?[/QUOTE]Perhaps that's why the initiative was introduced in the first place. Think about it. Perhaps there are lots of people living in LA who do not like that it's the center of the porn industry and this is their way of shutting it down.