American Politics during the Obama Presidency

An ignore notice is not bragging Toymann, simply an FYI for anyone following the exchanges (and explaining why).

We have no obligation to continue debating with anyone else. And there is no reason to stop posting because one no longer wishes to debate with another individual. That's freedom of speech, not censorship!

I don't know if there are fewer posts on AP these days, but maybe that's because of some people telling others to "get out of the kitchen" ? (sorry, couldn't resist).

There's a word for when you stop debating a rock, or an idiot, or a trouble-maker (take your pick), when you realize it's fruitless to continue engaging someone who practices mischaracterization and misinformation no matter how many times you point it out. That word is [B][i]smart[/i][/B].

If you don't like the word 'ignore', let's just say I'm going to take a break from helping Doppel recycle his crap.

Sidney is a good guy, I hope he sticks around and hope to see him again some day in BA.

I love this story about John McCain blasting the Republican threat to filibuster gun control. Here's what he said:

[QUOTE]"I don’t understand it. The purpose of the United States Senate is to debate and to vote and to let the people know where we stand. What are we afraid of?" [/QUOTE]So 90% of Americans want universal background checks, and a handful of Senate Republicans are determined to block even a vote? Oh man, this is going to get juicy.

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If you don't like the word 'ignore', let's just say I'm going to take a break from helping Doppel recycle his crap.[/QUOTE]Good to see you are separating yourself from the rank and file Esten. Never thought you were a shrinking violet. Toymann is content. Monger on dude. Toymann.

P.S. Bragging about ignoring someone on an Internet chat board is just lame, I agree with Doppelgänger!


[QUOTE=Doppelganger;432998] Placing someone on the "ignore" list is tantamount to the childish conduct of sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "I can't hear you" or "Na Na Na Na".?[/QUOTE]

The rest of the Republicans were told the check is in the mail.

[QUOTE=Esten;433034]I love this story about John McCain blasting the Republican threat to filibuster gun control. Here's what he said:

So 90% of Americans want universal background checks, and a handful of Senate Republicans are determined to block even a vote? Oh man, this is going to get juicy.[/QUOTE]

Survey Finds Law Enforcement United Against Gun Control.

[B]“99 Percent Believe "Assault Weapons" Ban is Not Most Important
Measure to Stop Mass Shootings”[/B]

"[URL]PoliceOne.com[/URL] released today the results of an extensive survey of about 15,000 active and retired law enforcement officers of all ranks and from departments ranging in size from less than 25 to more than 1,000.

These results strongly show that law enforcement officers do not support President Obama's gun control agenda. They do, however, strongly support the Right-to-Carry by law-abiding Americans. The survey respondents are united in their desire for politicians to focus on keeping firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill and to reject unconstitutional gun control measures that infringe on Second Amendment rights.

"The American people, and particularly the members of law enforcement, want politicians in Washington to stop pursuing a failed political agenda and get to work fixing our broken mental health system, improving school security, and getting criminals off the streets," said the executive director of NRA's Institute for Legislative Action, Chris W. Cox.

The following are some key findings:

99 percent said policies other than an "assault weapons" ban are most important to prevent mass shootings.

Almost 96 percent said that a ban on standard capacity magazines would not reduce violent crime.

More than 91 percent stated that the use of a firearm in the commission of a crime should have stiff, mandatory sentences, and no plea-bargains.

More than 91 percent stated they supported the Right-to-Carry by law abiding Americans.

More than 81 percent said that "gun buy-backs" do not reduce gun violence.

80 percent believe legally armed citizens can reduce casualties in incidents of mass violence.

Nearly 80 percent said that a ban on private transfers of firearms between law-abiding citizens would not reduce violent crime.

More than 76 percent indicated that legally armed citizens are important to reducing crime.

More than 76 percent support the arming of trained and qualified teachers or administrators who volunteer to carry a firearm.

More than 70 percent said that a ban on "assault weapons" would not reduce violent crime.

More than 70 percent opposed the idea of a national registry of legal gun sales.

Nearly 68 percent said magazine capacity restrictions would negatively affect them personally.

More than 60 percent said that the passage of Obama's gun control legislation would not improve officer safety.

Click below to read the complete survey:

[URL]http://ddq74coujkv1i.cloudfront.net/p1_gunsurveysummary_2013.pdf[/URL]

Do you think cops might know more about crime and guns than leftwing propagandist like Esten?

The current push for more gun laws is nothing but a [b]"failed political agenda".[/b]



[B][NOPARSE]ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ![/NOPARSE][/B]

[QUOTE=Punter127;433056]Survey Finds Law Enforcement United Against Gun Control.

[B]“99 Percent Believe "Assault Weapons" Ban is Not Most Important
Measure to Stop Mass Shootings”[/B]

"[URL]PoliceOne.com[/URL] released today the results of an extensive survey of about 15,000 active and retired law enforcement officers of all ranks and from departments ranging in size from less than 25 to more than 1,000.

These results strongly show that law enforcement officers do not support President Obama's gun control agenda. They do, however, strongly support the Right-to-Carry by law-abiding Americans. The survey respondents are united in their desire for politicians to focus on keeping firearms out of the hands of the mentally ill and to reject unconstitutional gun control measures that infringe on Second Amendment rights.

"The American people, and particularly the members of law enforcement, want politicians in Washington to stop pursuing a failed political agenda and get to work fixing our broken mental health system, improving school security, and getting criminals off the streets," said the executive director of NRA's Institute for Legislative Action, Chris W. Cox.

The following are some key findings:

99 percent said policies other than an "assault weapons" ban are most important to prevent mass shootings.

Almost 96 percent said that a ban on standard capacity magazines would not reduce violent crime.

More than 91 percent stated that the use of a firearm in the commission of a crime should have stiff, mandatory sentences, and no plea-bargains.

More than 91 percent stated they supported the Right-to-Carry by law abiding Americans.

More than 81 percent said that "gun buy-backs" do not reduce gun violence.

80 percent believe legally armed citizens can reduce casualties in incidents of mass violence.

Nearly 80 percent said that a ban on private transfers of firearms between law-abiding citizens would not reduce violent crime.

More than 76 percent indicated that legally armed citizens are important to reducing crime.

More than 76 percent support the arming of trained and qualified teachers or administrators who volunteer to carry a firearm.

More than 70 percent said that a ban on "assault weapons" would not reduce violent crime.

More than 70 percent opposed the idea of a national registry of legal gun sales.

Nearly 68 percent said magazine capacity restrictions would negatively affect them personally.

More than 60 percent said that the passage of Obama's gun control legislation would not improve officer safety.

Click below to read the complete survey:

[URL]http://ddq74coujkv1i.cloudfront.net/p1_gunsurveysummary_2013.pdf[/URL]

Do you think cops might know more about crime and guns than leftwing propagandist like Esten?

The current push for more gun laws is nothing but a [b]"failed political agenda".[/b]



[B][NOPARSE]ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ![/NOPARSE][/B][/QUOTE]Now, we should include on the same survey 15,000 parents who have kids going to school, then compare both percentages.

By the way, I am not either a republican nor a democrat.

Asking 15,000 parents with children in school would accomplish what?

Who is in the trenches every day dealing with crime up close and personal? The scoccer mom in her van or suv hauling the kids around or the law enforcement officer? Who of these two would have the better idea of what would or would not be effective in controling firearm violence?

I am sure our liberal friends would consider the soccer mom to be the most informed.

Facts and experience or Feelings, please feel free to draw your on conclusions.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;433061]Asking 15,000 parents with children in school would accomplish what?

Who is in the trenches every day dealing with crime up close and personal? The scoccer mom in her van or suv hauling the kids around or the law enforcement officer? Who of these two would have the better idea of what would or would not be effective in controling firearm violence?

I am sure our liberal friends would consider the soccer mom to be the most informed.

Facts and experience or Feelings, please feel free to draw your on conclusions.[/QUOTE]You ask. Who is in the trenches every day dealing with crime up close and personal? (In order to have a valid opinion?) The victims of the crimes, The parents of the children who died and had blood in their hands, their friends etc.

[QUOTE=Caricoso;433063]You ask. Who is in the trenches every day dealing with crime up close and personal? (In order to have a valid opinion?) The victims of the crimes, The parents of the children who died and had blood in their hands, their friends etc.[/QUOTE]Based on your premise, only those who are the victim of a crime would have a valid opinion regarding the issue / solution. This seems a little extreme, don't you think? In fact, most likely the opposite is true. Good policy always comes from intelligent cool thinking, not emotional passion driven thought. My statement in no way should be interpreted as minimizing the pain and grief associated with being the victim of a violent crime. Just commenting that your statement regarding the "valid opinion" premise is extremely flawed. Happy mongering all. Toymann.

[QUOTE=Caricoso;433063]You ask. Who is in the trenches every day dealing with crime up close and personal? (In order to have a valid opinion?) The victims of the crimes, The parents of the children who died and had blood in their hands, their friends etc.[/QUOTE]The blood is on the hands of the killers and the people who insist on "Gun Free Zones" and those who refuse to allow proper school security. IMHO.

[B]"You can't stop insane people from doing insane things by passing insane laws.... [size=+1]THAT'S INSANE!!!"[/B][/size]



[NOPARSE]ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ![/NOPARSE]

[QUOTE=Toymann;433065]Based on your premise, only those who are the victim of a crime would have a valid opinion regarding the issue / solution. This seems a little extreme, don't you think? In fact, most likely the opposite is true. Good policy always comes from intelligent cool thinking, not emotional passion driven thought. My statement in no way should be interpreted as minimizing the pain and grief associated with being the victim of a violent crime. Just commenting that your statement regarding the "valid opinion" premise is extremely flawed. Happy mongering all. Toymann.[/QUOTE]You're right. I should have said "Also the Parents" It is ok if we include them? After all they were the ones that paid the highest price besides the victims themselves. Correct?

Is a country of 320 million people. I think that nobody has the monopoly of common sense.

[QUOTE=Caricoso;433069]You're right. I should have said "Also the Parents" It is ok if we include them? After all they were the ones that paid the highest price besides the victims themselves. Correct?

Is a country of 320 million people. I think that nobody has the monopoly of common sense.[/QUOTE]Coming to Argentina in two weeks. Would love to buy you a beer. Buena Onda amigo. Toymann.

P.S. Pm if you are around and would like to have a cold one!

Pps. I am a republican from the most republican state in the Us, that grew up in a wild ass liberal socialist country. Of course, the parents should be heard and count twice! My dos centavos!

An interesting police poll. Which can be challenged by one very simple fact:

[u]Other developed countries with much stricter gun control measures have significantly lower rates of gun violence.[/u]

Certainly some measures will have more impact than others. The universal background check system has perhaps the broadest support, and is just plain and simple common sense. Close the loopholes in the system.