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[QUOTE=Toymann;433071]Coming to Argentina in two weeks. Would love to buy you a beer. Buena Onda amigo. Toymann.
P.S. Pm if you are around and would like to have a cold one!
Pps. I am a republican from the most republican state in the Us, that grew up in a wild ass liberal socialist country. Of course, the parents should be heard and count twice! My dos centavos![/QUOTE]
Thank you Toyman!
I may have to take a Rain check this time, but I certainly will like to meet you on my next stay in Baires.
[QUOTE=Esten;433077]An interesting police poll. Which can be challenged by one very simple fact:
[u]Other developed countries with much stricter gun control measures have significantly lower rates of gun violence.[/u] [snip]
[/QUOTE]It must have just been a coincidence that Esten had a post about the police survey after I brought the subject up, considering I'm suppose to be on his ignore list. Who do you think you're shitting Esten?
"While the most recent murder rate is fairly low for the United States, we often hear that other countries like Australia, Japan and the UK have much lower murder rates. If we want to compare countries, we should not "cherry pick." Let's look at all countries. The United Nations collects such data. Out of 206 countries, the US ranks 103. Smack in the middle.
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Data Source: United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime: [URL]http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html.[/URL] (Rates are for most recent year, since 2000, of available data).
You might guess that the Congo (30.8) or Uganda (36.3) would have higher murder rates than us. But would you have guessed Jamaica (40.9), Saint Lucia (25.2), Brazil (21.0), Greenland (19.2) and Costa Rica (10.0) do too?
Here is the list of European countries whose most recent murder rates exceeded the USA's.
• Greenland (19.2).
• Russia (10.2).
• Moldova (7.5).
• Lithuania (6.6).
• Ukraine (5.2).
• Estonia (5.2).
• Belarus (4.9)".
But what about guns? Does the US have a murder problem because of so many guns? Again, let's not cherry-pick; let's look at all other countries.
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Data sources: UNODC and the Small Arms Survey.
"To the eyeball, it looks like a more heavily armed population goes hand-in-hand with less murder, as an average. The statistics bear that out: the correlation coefficient is negative,.0.23, and it is statistically significant.
You can look for various trends, but there is no evidence here that the availability of guns leads to more murders. Two of the most heavily armed countries, Finland and Switzerland, have murder rates of 2.2 and 0.7, among the lowest in the world. On the other hand, every country with a murder rate at least 5 times greater than the USA's has at least 5 times fewer firearms per person than the USA".
[QUOTE=Punter127;433088]It must have just been a coincidence that Esten had a post about the police survey after I brought the subject up, considering I'm suppose to be on his ignore list. Who do you think you're shitting Esten?
"While the most recent murder rate is fairly low for the United States, we often hear that other countries like Australia, Japan and the UK have much lower murder rates. If we want to compare countries, we should not "cherry pick." Let's look at all countries. The United Nations collects such data. Out of 206 countries, the US ranks 103. Smack in the middle.
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Data Source: United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime: [URL]http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html.[/URL] (Rates are for most recent year, since 2000, of available data).
You might guess that the Congo (30.8) or Uganda (36.3) would have higher murder rates than us. But would you have guessed Jamaica (40.9), Saint Lucia (25.2), Brazil (21.0), Greenland (19.2) and Costa Rica (10.0) do too?
Here is the list of European countries whose most recent murder rates exceeded the USA's.
• Greenland (19.2).
• Russia (10.2).
• Moldova (7.5).
• Lithuania (6.6).
• Ukraine (5.2).
• Estonia (5.2).
• Belarus (4.9)".
But what about guns? Does the US have a murder problem because of so many guns? Again, let's not cherry-pick; let's look at all other countries.
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Data sources: UNODC and the Small Arms Survey.
"To the eyeball, it looks like a more heavily armed population goes hand-in-hand with less murder, as an average. The statistics bear that out: the correlation coefficient is negative,.0.23, and it is statistically significant.
You can look for various trends, but there is no evidence here that the availability of guns leads to more murders. Two of the most heavily armed countries, Finland and Switzerland, have murder rates of 2.2 and 0.7, among the lowest in the world. On the other hand, every country with a murder rate at least 5 times greater than the USA's has at least 5 times fewer firearms per person than the USA".[/QUOTE]You said...Finland and Switzerland have murder rates of 2.2 and 0.7, among the lowest in the world.
Yes! Because people in those countries are "highly" educated. Isn't that guns don't kill people, but people do? Well...give a gun to a "Cu-Cu brain", and he will try it on you. Give it to a "normal" person, in control of himself, with good records, and you kind expect better results. That's the reason background checks (good ones!) are good because at least will deterred the ones watching too many Video games and Rambo movies.
[QUOTE=Caricoso;433092]You said...Finland and Switzerland have murder rates of 2.2 and 0.7, among the lowest in the world.
Yes! Because people in those countries are "highly" educated. Isn't that guns don't kill people, but people do? Well...give a gun to a "see you-see you brain" and he will try it on you. Give it to an educated person, in control of himself with good records, and you kind expect the results. That's the reason background checks (good ones!) are good because at least will deterred the ones watching too many Hollywood movies.[/QUOTE]
Nobody lives in those countries compared to the USA but the LONE gunman in Norway killed 77 people in one day! Worst killing since WWII. They say that 1 in 4 people in Norway were affected by that massacre .
The rest of the European countries that were mentioned have 12 month winters and the rest of the months are summer so the people just go stir crazy and the severe depression from having 6 months of darkness at times makes them shoot anything.
I'm just guessing.
TL.
They should just fuck somebody every day like we do here to keep sane.
[QUOTE=TejanoLibre;433095]Nobody lives in those countries compared to the USA but the LONE gunman in Norway killed 77 people in one day! Worst killing since WWII. They say that 1 in 4 people in Norway were affected by that massacre .
The rest of the European countries that were mentioned have 12 month winters and the rest of the months are summer so the people just go stir crazy and the severe depression from having 6 months of darkness at times makes them shoot anything.
I'm just guessing.
TL.
They should just fuck somebody every day like we do here to keep sane.[/QUOTE]Norway is # 11 in the world of the numbers of guns per country (31 guns per 100 residents). (31% a lot eh?) Have they had twice as many, (1 gun per person) would they be able to stop this terrorist? How? People had their guns at home, and they were in total state of panic as you can imagine, by the time they go home and try to get the guy it's all over, and the police was doing its job!
Are we suggesting carrying our guns with us everywhere we go?
Far West! Can you imagine leaving Madahos with a chica that carries a semi-auto to go with a client to the hotel "just in case" because the client has a gun with him? I don't think he'll ever get erected, and will stop mongering that night! Oh yes! She may add her own "Guardaespaldas" while the client is doing her, and if he hits the wrong hole, shit!, the client may have to use his Blue Cross card.
Albert Eistein said more of the same doesn't solve the problem. More guns? Goethe used to say. Well...if you want to know more, travel my friend! Lot's of things are being done better in other places, some not!
[QUOTE=Caricoso;433092]You said...Finland and Switzerland have murder rates of 2.2 and 0.7, among the lowest in the world.
Yes! Because people in those countries are "highly" educated. Isn't that guns don't kill people, but people do? Well...give a gun to a "Cu-Cu brain", and he will try it on you. Give it to a "normal" person, in control of himself, with good records, and you kind expect better results. That's the reason background checks (good ones!) are good because at least will deterred the ones watching too many Video games and Rambo movies.[/QUOTE]Are you saying Americans are[NOPARSE]"Cu-Cu brain"[/NOPARSE]? Are you a USA Citizen?
Expanded Background Checks Will Erode Rights, Not Prevent Tragedy!
[URL]http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/11/Expanded-Background-Checks-Are-About-Gun-Control-Not-Sandy-Hook[/URL]
"1. Would expanded background checks have stopped Adam Lanza from doing what he did on Dec. 14,2012?
2. Would expanded background checks have at least hindered or slowed what he did?
3. Why are President Obama, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY), Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV), Senator Pat Toomey (are-PA), and NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg pushing expanded background checks at this moment?
Answers: no, no, and "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste."
Even the ACLU says Reid's gun legislation could threaten privacy rights, civil liberties.
[URL]http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/04/exclusive-aclu-says-reids-gun-legislation-could-threaten-privacy-rights-civil-liberties/[/URL]
[NOPARSE]ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ![/NOPARSE]
Sorry if I'm slow to reply but my current location blocks the AP and I can't always get to it.
[QUOTE=Caricoso;433096]Albert Eistein said more of the same doesn't solve the problem.[/quote] He (Einstein) was right and more gun laws won't solve our problems. The problem is not guns, the problem is insane people.
[QUOTE=Caricoso;433096]More guns? Goethe used to say. Well...if you want to know more, travel my friend! Lot's of things are being done better in other places, some not! [/quote]I'll try to do that, my life has been pretty sheltered up to now, I've only visited about 15 to 20 counties. lol
CONSIDER THIS...Commentary by Paul Harvey:
[quote]In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control.
- From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million
dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control.
- From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938.
- From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies,
homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935.
- From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents,
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964.
- From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970.
- From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956.
- From 1975 to 1977, one million [b]"educated"[/b] people,
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
[b]That places total victims who lost their lives because
of gun control at approximately 56 million in the last
century.[/b]
Since we should learn from the mistakes of history,
the next time someone talks in favor of gun control,
find out which group of citizens they wish to have
exterminated.[snip][/quote]
Good Day!
[QUOTE=Punter127;433105]He (Einstein) was right and more gun laws won't solve our problems. The problem is not guns, the problem is insane people.
I'll try to do that, my life has been pretty sheltered up to now, I've only visited about 15 to 20 counties. lol
CONSIDER THIS...Commentary by Paul Harvey:
Good Day![/QUOTE]Let's see...
Where did I say that Americans are see you-see you- brain?
Why do you want to know if I am an American citizen?
Where do you take the facts that if the people on those countries were armed (rifles, guns, grenades, etc). They couldn't have tanks or airplanes, the SS, Stalin, the Turks etc. Were not going ahead with their plans?
Imagine that we have a crazy leader that sends Drones, Tanks, Soldiers etc. How do you stop them with your magnum?
I am loving this [URL]policeone.com[/URL] poll on gun control. It's worthy of attention, but it smells funny.
For one, the timing is quite convenient, immediately prior to potential Congressional voting. What are the regional and political demographics of the respondents? Who wrote it, and what are their affiliations? There's a very heavy pro-gun bias, and the questions seem suspiciously worded. For example:
[QUOTE]4. What effect do you think the passage of the White House’s currently proposed legislation would have in improving police officer safety? [/QUOTE]The real question is, what would be the effect on reducing gun violence. Of course police officers would want more people owning and carrying guns, that supplements their ability to stop or neutralize a violent criminal. Let the criminal shoot it out with a civilian, that will keep LE safer.
[QUOTE]6. Do you think a federal ban on manufacture and sale of ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds would reduce violent crime?[/QUOTE]The real question is, would such a ban help reduce the number of deaths in mass shootings.
The poll conveys the "more guns, less gun violence" viewpoint. If that's how it worked, then countries with few guns would have skyrocketing gun violence. And clearly that's ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Caricoso;433109]Let's see...
Where did I say that Americans are see you-see you- brain?[/quote]
I simply ask if that's what you are implying when you said this;
[QUOTE=Caricoso;433109] Well...give a gun to a [NOPARSE]"Cu-Cu brain"[/NOPARSE], and he will try it on you. Give it to a "normal" person, in control of himself, with good records, and you kind expect better results.[/quote] Considering we are talking about American gun control sounds to me like you think Americans are [NOPARSE]"Cu-Cu brain"[/NOPARSE], yes or no?
[QUOTE=Caricoso;433109]Why do you want to know if I am an American citizen?
[/quote]We all due respect if you are not an American Citizen your opinion is of little value to me, it's an American issue.
[QUOTE=Caricoso;433109]Where do you take the facts that if the people on those countries were armed (rifles, guns, grenades, etc). They couldn't have tanks or airplanes, the SS, Stalin, the Turks etc. Were not going ahead with their plans?[/quote] I said “unable to defend themselves”.
[QUOTE=Caricoso;433109]Imagine that we have a crazy leader that sends Drones, Tanks, Soldiers etc. How do you stop them with your magnum?[/QUOTE]
So you think we should just lay down our arms and become slaves? You can go along quietly to the gas chamber if you like , but I prefer to go down fighting, because that's what Americans have always done.
[b][u]Long live the Republic!
[NOPARSE]ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ![/NOPARSE][/b][/u].
[QUOTE=Punter127;433112]So you think we should just lay down our arms and become slaves? You can go along quietly to the gas chamber if you like , but I prefer to go down fighting, because that's what Americans have always done.
[b][u]Long live the Republic!
Big changes have come about in America the last 50 years. Some good, alot bad. Now, there has never been a lack of unhappy people in the world, especially when they being marginalized, or feel like they are being marginalized. And usually, minorities are in this category. So, I don't quite get this "slave" issue. Your chances of being a slave is as good as my chances of being a plantation owner. Zero.
[QUOTE=Punter127;433112]I simply ask if that's what you are implying when you said this;
Considering we are talking about American gun control sounds to me like you think Americans are [NOPARSE]"Cu-Cu brain"[/NOPARSE], yes or no?
It sounds to you! (Your perception, and being very defensive is not my fault!) I referred to anyone (lunatic if you will!) who has access to a gun!
We all due respect if you are not an American Citizen your opinion is of little value to me, it's an American issue.
Well...since you are so curious about my integrity o ability to talk about American issues, "Yes" I am an American citizen!, that in almost 40 years had paid more taxes and gave jobs ( Co-own 3 corp.) to more people than the average complainer instant gratification brain out there.
I said “unable to defend themselves”.
I was in the army in Argentina "Seventies'' dirty war. I never got my butt so kicked in my entire life. Two years of training and becoming another different person. Orders were...execute or we execute you! Fortunately I didn't have to hurt anyone. All citizens complied when we were patrolling, but it wasn't always the case for others soldiers and they had to follow those orders. The rest is History.
So you think we should just lay down our arms and become slaves? You can go along quietly to the gas chamber if you like , but I prefer to go down fighting, because that's what Americans have always done.
Do you believe that we are going to be slaves of whom? What gas chambers? Paranoia?
Just watch an episode of Floricenta on (Baires) T.V. and it will change your view and concept of life. Hey! You're my friend!
Move along please. Move along!
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Caricoso, in a previous post you stated you are an "American". If this is so why are you using an translation program to post in English?
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;433124]Caricoso, in a previous post you stated you are an "American". If this is so why are you using an translation program to post in English?[/QUOTE]What translation program?