2012 Elections in the USA

[QUOTE=Rocky2;422978]What he said.[/QUOTE][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D61tYkQ2cEM&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url]

Click on link for another Romney Flip Flop Whopper, this one is on campaign finance, he says one thing while running in MASS, then another when running in front of another group.

If you have any questions on what Romney stands for the answer is. Whatever it takes to get elected.

Many many more Romney flip flops to come, if you want a real fiscally conservative and pro civil liberty President you need to take a look at Libertarian Gary Johnson. Great track record in NM too!

Romney = Flip Flopper / Gary Johnson (Libertarian) = principled and consistent

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;422976]While I generally don't like to post long quotes on the site, this is one which clearly defines Liberal and Conservative. Makes me pround to be an Aggie! Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Looks like Texas college graduates are easily fooled by urban legends.

Not again Doppel!

[url]http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/boortz.asp[/url]

[QUOTE=Silver Star; 422980][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D61tYkQ2cEM&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url]

Click on link for another Romney Flip Flop Whopper, this one is on campaign finance, he says one thing while running in MASS, then another when running in front of another group.

If you have any questions on what Romney stands for the answer is. Whatever it takes to get elected.

Many many more Romney flip flops to come, if you want a real fiscally conservative and pro civil liberty President you need to take a look at Libertarian Gary Johnson. Great track record in NM too!

Romney = Flip Flopper / Gary Johnson (Libertarian) = principled and consistent[/QUOTE]The last time I checked Gary Johnson wasn't running for president Fred. So your point is? Furthermore, who gives a sweet rats ass about who's more conservative than who. Romney was an extremely sucessful businessman at Bain TWICE leading the company to the top. He did a good job running Mass, and a great job rescuing the Olympics (for which he recieved no compensation I might add). Are you starting to GET IT yet Fred. Romney's a closer that knows how to get the job done when handed a shitty deal. THATS HIS TRACK RECORD at the end of the day. The country is currently a mess! Are you getting it yet Fred. It's not about the silly who's more conservative than who or more principled than who arguement. It's time for a guy that can get the job done! PERIOD! I'm guessing we won't get a second chance at this dude, so better get it right this time. You are caught in a time warp from the past Fred, suggest you wake up and smell the coffee. Now that said, I checked out your flip flop spam. What a joke! IALOTFLMAO! It's nothing more than a collection of distortions and mis-quotes for the weak minded. You need to do a bit of fact checking before you post your next liberal spam site Fred. You claim to be a libertarian Fred, but strangley you're in love with wild-ass liberal websites pursuing Obamanation's agenda. Hmmmmmm. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like a duck. What is it Fred. Monger on Taxi Driver. Toymann

[QUOTE=Esten; 422985]Looks like Texas college graduates are easily fooled by urban legends.

Not again Doppel!

[url]http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/boortz.asp[/url][/QUOTE]So what. The content stands.

[QUOTE=Toymann;422986]The last time I checked Gary Johnson wasn't running for president Fred. So your point is? Furthermore, who gives a sweet rats ass about who's more conservative than who. Romney was an extremely sucessful businessman at Bain TWICE leading the company to the top. He did a good job running Mass, and a great job rescuing the Olympics (for which he recieved no compensation I might add). Are you starting to GET IT yet Fred. Romney's a closer that knows how to get the job done when handed a shitty deal. THATS HIS TRACK RECORD at the end of the day. The country is currently a mess! Are you getting it yet Fred. It's not about the silly who's more conservative than who or more principled than who arguement. It's time for a guy that can get the job done! PERIOD! I'm guessing we won't get a second chance at this dude, so better get it right this time. You are caught in a time warp from the past Fred, suggest you wake up and smell the coffee. Now that said, I checked out your flip flop spam. What a joke! IALOTFLMAO! It's nothing more than a collection of distortions and mis-quotes for the weak minded. You need to do a bit of fact checking before you post your next liberal spam site Fred. You claim to be a libertarian Fred, but strangley you're in love with wild-ass liberal websites pursuing Obamanation's agenda. Hmmmmmm. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like a duck. What is it Fred. Monger on Taxi Driver. Toymann[/QUOTE]Last I checked Gary Johnson is running for President! [url]www.garyjohnson2012.com[/url] Will be on ballot in close to or all 50 States. The facts are clear, Romney has been on both sides of every issue, he says he is for campaign finance and pacs, then does the exact opposite. He couldn't even run for reelection in MA, unlike GJ who was reelected in NM with a wider margin than being elected. Beware, Romney supported some form of TARP (just like Obama) and his biggest contributors are the big banks.

Romney raised taxes many times in MA, gary Johnson cut Taxes 14 times and left the state with a surplus!

And the flip flops we have come from John McCain, who dug up so many good ones in 2008. Mitt Romney-The essence of a spineless, pure politician. If you think Romney is a real conservative, please watch his campaign videos from 94 when he ran against Kennedy. The country is a mess because we have had Democrats and Republicans running it for so long, it is time for real change, Libertarians. Mitt Romney won't submit a balanced budget, Gary Johnson will. Mitt Romney? On both sides of every issue!

Romney Flip Flopped Big Time on healthcare and the individual mandate, abortion, releasing his tax returns, climate change, campaign finance, on and on and on. I'm glad that Romney did a great job at Bain and the Olympics, but we can do better with Gary Johnson. Bush and Obama together have doubled the debt, so both parties should be fired and replaced with Libertarians. Do you really think we are going to get smaller, less intrusive government with Romney? I don't think so!

Fred

[QUOTE=Silver Star; 422989]Last I checked Gary Johnson is running for President!

[url]www.garyjohnson2012.com[/url]

Will be on ballot in close to or all 50 States. The facts are clear, Romney has been on both sides of every issue, he says he is for campaign finance and pacs, then does the exact opposite. He couldn't even run for reelection in MA, unlike GJ who was reelected in NM with a wider margin than being elected. Beware, Romney supported some form of TARP (just like Obama) and his biggest contributors are the big banks.

Romney raised taxes many times in MA, gary Johnson cut Taxes 14 times and left the state with a surplus!

And the flip flops we have come from John McCain, who dug up so many good ones in 2008. Mitt Romney-The essence of a spineless, pure politician. If you think Romney is a real conservative, please watch his campaign videos from 94 when he ran against Kennedy. The country is a mess because we have had Democrats and Republicans running it for so long, it is time for real change, Libertarians. Mitt Romney won't submit a balanced budget, Gary Johnson will. Mitt Romney? On both sides of every issue!

Romney Flip Flopped Big Time on healthcare and the individual mandate, abortion, releasing his tax returns, climate change, campaign finance, on and on and on. I'm glad that Romney did a great job at Bain and the Olympics, but we can do better with Gary Johnson. Bush and Obama together have doubled the debt, so both parties should be fired and replaced with Libertarians. Do you really think we are going to get smaller, less intrusive government with Romney? I don't think so!

Fred[/QUOTE][url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/may/18/politifacts-guide-mitt-romneys-flip-flops/[/url]

Above is an award winning non partisan look at Romney's flip flops, sad thing is that on many of his consistent positions, he is wrong, like supporting TARP.

Mitt Romney=Fake Conservative (Country Club Crony Capitalist)

A vote for Gary Johnson (in a swing state) is the same as a vote for Obummer, end of story.

Esten, only liberals are easily amused.

It is a great definition and contrast regarding Liberals and Conservatives. Perhaps it hits to close to home for you, so it's back to name calling and ridiculing those who disagree with your 'world view'.

All hail Esten the magnificent, we poor humble rabble of humanity who know no better and must be shown the light. Typical liberal clap trap about suborning the individual for the good of the masses, the last thing any liberal wants is for people to think for themselves. Liberals are only happy when they control YOUR wallet.

Watch Wisconsin today. After all the money the Democrats and Unions have poured into the state to recall then defeat Walker he will win with a greater margin of victory than his original election. People are tired of the B / S and want results. Walker delivered and his policies are working.

November is coming and Obama is looking more desperate every day. Now Sara Jessica Parker has to go on TV to advertise a party at her house for the Anointed One and guess what she will even raffle off a seat at the table of the Ruling Elite to one of the unwashed rabble. How nice.

Esten, your boy looks weaker every day. World leaders tell him to stuff it, Iran laughs in his face regarding the nukes, the economy is tanking again and unemployment is going up again. I know, it's all George Bush's fault.

Silver Star, Gary Johnson may have some good ideas but no one from his party or any other third party will be elected to the presidency in our lifetime.

Third parties only serve as spoilers and foils for the other two parties, remember Ross?

Do you really want someone in the presidency who both parties hate and have no reason to work with, take a look at Jessie Ventura's term in office. What a mess.

Do you really want the type of disarray we see in Europe with multiple parties? You think two is bad try four or more for not getting anything done. Take a real hard look at Greece, after the new election on June 17 nothing will get done because there will be no coalition government again. Greece defaults on its sovereign debt, Europe goes in a tail spin and we follow to a lesser extent.

Another spoiler would be Ralph Nader, bless his little heart. We might be referring to Al Gore as President Al Gore instead of Fatso Al Gore had Nader not collected enough votes to give the presidency to Bush.

I don't think fringe parties are going to have much impact in this years election because I don't think this election will be that close. At some level I think a lot of voters have disgarded the idea that Obama is a brillant intellect who operates a higher level than most of us. Obama appears to be a shallow intellect and if he would release his college transcripts filled with failing grades, dropping out of classes and being put on probation for lack of academic achievement this would be obvious. If I had a cumulative GPA of 1.55 I would not want to release my transcripts either.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 422993]Silver Star, Gary Johnson may have some good ideas but no one from his party or any other third party will be elected to the presidency in our lifetime.

Third parties only serve as spoilers and foils for the other two parties, remember Ross?

Do you really want someone in the presidency who both parties hate and have no reason to work with, take a look at Jessie Ventura's term in office. What a mess.

Do you really want the type of disarray we see in Europe with multiple parties? You think two is bad try four or more for not getting anything done. Take a real hard look at Greece, after the new election on June 17 nothing will get done because there will be no coalition government again. Greece defaults on its sovereign debt, Europe goes in a tail spin and we follow to a lesser extent.[/QUOTE]I just want Libertarian ideals in action, balanced budgets, civil liberties, end of the welfare state, no more unneeded foreign wars, free markets, and an end to the failed war on drugs. We will have a Greece situation soon with Democrats and Republicans who take us for granted. Bush / Obama have doubled the debt, increased welfare, and have reduced civil liberties, and started unneeded foreign wars.

Isn't is time for something new? With Obama / Romney we are basically going to have more of the same big government programs and control, with some window dressing to make it look like there is a real choice. And many voters this cycle are looking for something new, and are not happy with the 2 choices. Gary Johnson is that perfect alternative, and is not a kook like Perot. He has actually served and did an awesome job in NM. It is time to break the cycle of the 2 party political abuse system that is going on and have given us the mess we are in.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 422993]Silver Star, Gary Johnson may have some good ideas but no one from his party or any other third party will be elected to the presidency in our lifetime.

Third parties only serve as spoilers and foils for the other two parties, remember Ross?

Do you really want someone in the presidency who both parties hate and have no reason to work with, take a look at Jessie Ventura's term in office. What a mess.

Do you really want the type of disarray we see in Europe with multiple parties? You think two is bad try four or more for not getting anything done. Take a real hard look at Greece, after the new election on June 17 nothing will get done because there will be no coalition government again. Greece defaults on its sovereign debt, Europe goes in a tail spin and we follow to a lesser extent.[/QUOTE]It is not multiple parties that is taking Europe down, it is socialism.

Fred

Bravo for standing up for what you think is the right course, but you can do it till the cows come home and it just aint happen.

I'm not arguing with many of the Libertarian ideas, I agree with many of them but not all. I'm just pointing out the reality of the situation. Because you want it to be so does not make it possible.

I would argue it is both multiple parties and the European style of socialism, which Obama admires, that have them in this pickle.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 422999]Bravo for standing up for what you think is the right course, but you can do it till the cows come home and it just aint happen.

I'm not arguing with many of the Libertarian ideas, I agree with many of them but not all. I'm just pointing out the reality of the situation. Because you want it to be so does not make it possible.

I would argue it is both multiple parties and the European style of socialism, which Obama admires, that have them in this pickle.[/QUOTE]The sad thing is with Romney he is socialist too like Obama. (ex RomneyCare, Pro Gun Control and tax increases in Mass and pro TARP)

It's crazy because everyone I talk to that wants an alternative to Obama admits that Gary Johnson and Libertarians are better, but are not viable, so they are going to vote for what they perceive as less evil, but still evil.

I don't think we can afford to have another big government Republican in the White House again, Bush 2 gave us Medicare Part D (socialist) with no way to pay for it.

I'm wondering how happy real conservatives are with Romney when they look at his record as Gov, and his 94 campaign for Senate vs T Kennedy.

Isn't is clear that Romney is just another country club RINO Republican?

And yes, I have uncovered a lot of Obama flip flops too, like GITMO for starters.

I think it is time for esteemed comrade Esten to get on the winning side and join the Romney socialist bandwagon.