STEVE WYNN: 'Gov't never increased standard of living of one single human being in civilization's history'.
Do I ever miss Ricardo's ''I'm from the government, I'm here to help' bullshit
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STEVE WYNN: 'Gov't never increased standard of living of one single human being in civilization's history'.
Do I ever miss Ricardo's ''I'm from the government, I'm here to help' bullshit
I read this article about the Nobel jury defending their position on Obama's prize:
[url]http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5irLyPrFK_rtRwMOsfjRBFjGDVZCgD9BAFHMO0[/url]
A quote from Jagland, the committee chairman:
"Alfred Nobel wrote that the prize should go to the person who has contributed most to the development of peace in the previous year. Who has done more for that than Barack Obama?"
And yet, earlier in the article:
"To those who say a Nobel is too much too soon in Obama's young presidency, "We simply disagree. He got the prize for what he has done," committee chairman Thorbjorn Jagland told The Associated Press by telephone from Strasbourg, France, where he was attending meetings of the Council of Europe.
Jagland singled out Obama's efforts to heal the divide between the West and the Muslim world and scale down a Bush-era proposal for an anti-missile shield in Europe.
"All these things have contributed to — I wouldn't say a safer world — but a world with less tension," he said."
So even though Alfred Nobel says it should be awarded for deeds done in the PREVIOUS year, Obama gets it awarded for things he did AFTER he was nominated, a week or two into his presidency, and before the results of his first attempts at changing things later in his presidency have even produced results - except for getting him awarded the Nobel prize.
They mention in the article that Obama seemed unhappy at receiving the award, saying that they knew this might make his job harder.
I say that if Obama knew what he was doing, he would have rejected the award.
[QUOTE=Rock Harders]Argentina is blessed with a wonderful public healthcare system that is free to all regardless of immigration status. When you go for your analysis, they will ask you to bring your own used soda bottle with cap to use as a container for your urine sample. There are many, many cats walking around uncontrolled throughout the public hospitals. You will likely wait in line for an extended period of time along with all the other Bolivians, Peruvians, Paraguayans, and Argentine villa dwellers. Even better, you will be treated by a doctor who earns about $500 USD per month or less in a facility that has not been updated since the 1950's.
Suerte,
Rock Harders[/QUOTE]And you support the idea of government-run public health care for the USA?
[QUOTE=El Queso]Jagland singled out Obama's efforts to heal the divide between the West and the Muslim world and scale down a Bush-era proposal for an anti-missile shield in Europe.
"All these things have contributed to — I wouldn't say a safer world — but a world with less tension," he said."[/QUOTE]So he is being compensated with this gift for relieving tension. However, it turns out that he didn't even provide the services for which he was compensated. He's like a bait and switch puta.
Jackson,
Yes, I absolutely do support having a state run healthcare system that operates parallel to a private healthcare system in the United States. The healthcare system provided to the US military free of charge would be the obvious standard that should be expected in any US state run system and not what exists in Argentina. I do not think that anyone would logically argue that the US is not capable of putting together a state run healthcare system on par with those that exist in the UK, France, Germany, or Canada.
Thanks,
Rock Harders
[QUOTE=Sidney]"The Public Plan health reform is a ''mirage' according to Robert Samuelson of the Washington Post.[/QUOTE]"This thing is going to work!" according to Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize winning economist, quoted in yesterday's New York Times!
Choose your economist and take your chances!
Link:[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/opinion/26krugman.html[/url]
Real tragic.
[QUOTE=Sidney]Republicans haven't been able to profit politically from the economic gloom.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sidney]But Republicans haven't been able to profit politically from the economic gloom, according to a new Wall Street Journal / NBC News poll.[/QUOTE]Tell that to John McCain.
[QUOTE=Sidney]Today's BA Herald, p8, by Robert Samuelson of the Washington Post.[/QUOTE]I never send opinions to people I do not know, but reading Argentine Private the last few months and seeing the crap that passes for insight on the politics thread, I can't help myself.
I have a great time when I am in BA. I came last April when I needed a break from Birmingham after I quit the worst job I ever had with the ArmorGroup in Afghanistan.
Armor had the security contract at the US Embassy. I left after two weeks because I could see the company was a bunch of corrupt assholes with pals in the Bush camp, who hired dumb and crazy kids, didn't supervise anything and put the embassy at risk every day. It was the most disgusting fuck-up I ever saw. I knew the kid who blew the whistle and caused a huge scandal.
My time there taught me all I need to know about what all the grunts know is hopeless. But the generals don't give a shit, as long as they get their medals. Today generals don't fight, they sit in offices, give orders and get kids killed or fucked up permanently. It's sick. They are armchair warriors, like the know-nothings Cheney and McCain who spout horse shit about Afghanistan and just want us to stay at war forever so their pals can make trillions.
Anyone with a brain knows that criminal conspiracy - the Bush Administration - left Obama an impossible problem. He's fucked no matter what he decides. If you think Bush didn't do that on purpose, come to Birmingham and I will sell you a plantation cheap.
If you want to read another opinion on health care, check out Krugman's piece in the New York Times a few days ago. He says point blank _ "This thing is going to work." Krugman, who has a PhD in Economics from MIT and won a Nobel Prize in economics, is a little more credible than Samuelson, a writer with an undergraduate degree in government from Harvard who is a well-known conservative shill. Here's a link:[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/opinion/26krugman.html?_r=1[/url]
As for the Wall Street Journal dissing the recovery I love it came out on the day we learn the economy grew faster than expected last quarter thanks to the stimulus.
You guys should stick to chasing poontang rather than pissing on Obama. Having lived in the deep south all my life I can see where that instinct comes from. My sweet old Grandma used to say "I don''t hate the coloreds, it's just we all got along better when they stayed in their place."
[QUOTE=Althebama]I never send opinions to people I do not know, but reading Argentine Private the last few months and seeing the crap that passes for insight on the politics thread, I can't help myself.
I have a great time when I am in BA. I came last April when I needed a break from Birmingham after I quit the worst job I ever had with the ArmorGroup in Afghanistan.
Armor had the security contract at the US Embassy. I left after two weeks because I could see the company was a bunch of corrupt assholes with pals in the Bush camp, who hired dumb and crazy kids, didn't supervise anything and put the embassy at risk every day. It was the most disgusting fuck-up I ever saw. I knew the kid who blew the whistle and caused a huge scandal.
My time there taught me all I need to know about what all the grunts know is hopeless. But the generals don't give a shit, as long as they get their medals. Today generals don't fight, they sit in offices, give orders and get kids killed or fucked up permanently. It's sick. They are armchair warriors, like the know-nothings Cheney and McCain who spout horse shit about Afghanistan and just want us to stay at war forever so their pals can make trillions.
Anyone with a brain knows that criminal conspiracy - the Bush Administration - left Obama an impossible problem. He's fucked no matter what he decides. If you think Bush didn't do that on purpose, come to Birmingham and I will sell you a plantation cheap.
If you want to read another opinion on health care, check out Krugman's piece in the New York Times a few days ago. He says point blank _ "This thing is going to work." Krugman, who has a PhD in Economics from MIT and won a Nobel Prize in economics, is a little more credible than Samuelson, a writer with an undergraduate degree in government from Harvard who is a well-known conservative shill. Here's a link:[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/opinion/26krugman.html?_r=1[/url]
As for the Wall Street Journal dissing the recovery I love it came out on the day we learn the economy grew faster than expected last quarter thanks to the stimulus.
You guys should stick to chasing poontang rather than pissing on Obama. Having lived in the deep south all my life I can see where that instinct comes from. My sweet old Grandma used to say "I don''t hate the coloreds, it's just we all got along better when they stayed in their place."[/QUOTE]Young man, do not cloud the issues with facts, please.
A while back there were posts here cheering when the military booted the elected President out of the country.
Now the President was no saint and was infected by the Latin leader's wish to stay in office forever, no matter the rules. It must be something in the drinking water.
Still when the corporate interests who didn't like his left-wing policies to were able to get the army to give him the boot - no matter what the rules, a crisis ensued. And some AR guys who are a bit partial to corporate / military rule said yippy.
A few months later after heavy negotiating led by Arias (that other Nobel Peace Prize winner) and the Organization of American States with support from Obama - a peaceful end to the crisis has been achieved.
No bloodshed, no tearing up the constitution, no re-emergence of another military dictatorship!
Diplomacy - nice idea I'd say!
[QUOTE=Althebama]I never send opinions to people I do not know, but reading Argentine Private the last few months and seeing the crap that passes for insight on the politics thread, I can't help myself.
I have a great time when I am in BA. I came last April when I needed a break from Birmingham after I quit the worst job I ever had with the ArmorGroup in Afghanistan.
Armor had the security contract at the US Embassy. I left after two weeks because I could see the company was a bunch of corrupt assholes with pals in the Bush camp, who hired dumb and crazy kids, didn't supervise anything and put the embassy at risk every day. It was the most disgusting fuck-up I ever saw. I knew the kid who blew the whistle and caused a huge scandal.
My time there taught me all I need to know about what all the grunts know is hopeless. But the generals don't give a shit, as long as they get their medals. Today generals don't fight, they sit in offices, give orders and get kids killed or fucked up permanently. It's sick. They are armchair warriors, like the know-nothings Cheney and McCain who spout horse shit about Afghanistan and just want us to stay at war forever so their pals can make trillions.
Anyone with a brain knows that criminal conspiracy - the Bush Administration - left Obama an impossible problem. He's fucked no matter what he decides. If you think Bush didn't do that on purpose, come to Birmingham and I will sell you a plantation cheap.
If you want to read another opinion on health care, check out Krugman's piece in the New York Times a few days ago. He says point blank _ "This thing is going to work." Krugman, who has a PhD in Economics from MIT and won a Nobel Prize in economics, is a little more credible than Samuelson, a writer with an undergraduate degree in government from Harvard who is a well-known conservative shill. Here's a link:[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/o...ugman.html?_r=1[/url]
As for the Wall Street Journal dissing the recovery I love it came out on the day we learn the economy grew faster than expected last quarter thanks to the stimulus.
You guys should stick to chasing poontang rather than pissing on Obama. Having lived in the deep south all my life I can see where that instinct comes from. My sweet old Grandma used to say "I don''t hate the coloreds, it's just we all got along better when they stayed in their place."[/QUOTE]Alabama isn't so dumb and redneck after all!
I wonder how many of the 650,000 jobs were union jobs, my guess at least 70% (cops, teaches, state employees)
Consider this: the folks he's targeting to pay for his socialist agenda is the evil white man.
The only CHANGE the "FOLKS" will see is the 2 nickels left in their pockets after this piece of shit completes his mission of running (redistribution) the US in the ground.
HBO is going to air a very important documentary about Barack Obama, Sunday at 9 PM EST.
Barack Obama made history when he was elected President. This documentary gives the inside scoop on the Obama campaign, focusing on the candidate, family members, staffers and voters who helped change history.
The film covers how the campaign dealt with all the horse shit that was thrown at him such as bogus claims of ties to radical Marxist professors, corrupt friends, racist spiritual advisers, etc. It presents things that Fox News is unwilling to put out there on his spirituality, deep family values, proud patriotism and quick sense of self-deprecating humor. It will be a segment to remember.
Mark your calendar and pass this on to everyone you know: HBO, Sunday night, 9 PM ET.
Democrat or Republican, this report will open your eyes to how your country lived up to its promise and put aside racial prejudice and hatred.
If you are proud about our country choosing a better direction as it rebuked the Republican's sad record of war, incompetence and failed economic policies, pass this notice on to everyone you know.
(THIS IS NOT A HIT JOB - SORRY SID!
[QUOTE=Canitasguy]HBO is going to air a very important documentary about Barack Obama, Sunday at 9 PM EST.
Barack Obama made history when he was elected President. This documentary gives the inside scoop on the Obama campaign, focusing on the candidate, family members, staffers and voters who helped change history.
The film covers how the campaign dealt with all the horse shit that was thrown at him such as bogus claims of ties to radical Marxist professors, corrupt friends, racist spiritual advisers, etc. It presents things that Fox News is unwilling to put out there on his spirituality, deep family values, proud patriotism and quick sense of self-deprecating humor. It will be a segment to remember.
Mark your calendar and pass this on to everyone you know: HBO, Sunday night, 9 PM ET.
Democrat or Republican, this report will open your eyes to how your country lived up to its promise and put aside racial prejudice and hatred.
If you are proud about our country choosing a better direction as it rebuked the Republican's sad record of war, incompetence and failed economic policies, pass this notice on to everyone you know.
(THIS IS NOT A HIT JOB - SORRY SID![/QUOTE]Assuming the locals don't block the signal!
[QUOTE=Cowpie]I wonder how many of the 650,000 jobs were union jobs, my guess at least 70% (cops, teaches, state employees)
Consider this: the folks he's targeting to pay for his socialist agenda is the evil white man.
The only CHANGE the "FOLKS" will see is the 2 nickels left in their pockets after this piece of shit completes his mission of running (redistribution) the US in the ground.[/QUOTE]Now we can call this "The redneck rant thread". At least Sydney is coherent. As for this.....Nothing more to be said.
Hey Stevie the union boy,
If only the American education system (run by unions) taught people to think and reason in a coherent manner, the world would be a better place.
I'm disappointed in your responce Stevie, this was an opportunity for you to put on display your union training. Instead you took the easy way, which makes you look like the fool you are.
I suggest you continue to hone your limited skills, maybe it will pay big dividends (taxable of course) when OBAMA owns your sorry ass and leaves you without your 2 nicklels.
Really it is.
[QUOTE=Cowpie]Hey Stevie the union boy,
If only the American education system (run by unions) taught people to think and reason in a coherent manner, the world would be a better place.
I'm disappointed in your responce Stevie, this was an opportunity for you to put on display your union training. Instead you took the easy way, which makes you look like the fool you are.
I suggest you continue to hone your limited skills, maybe it will pay big dividends (taxable of course) when OBAMA owns your sorry ass and leaves you without your 2 nicklels.[/QUOTE]Hey Cowpie, the ignorant redneck.
Not in a union, don't pay taxes.
Suggest you look up the word ignorant in the dictionary.
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[QUOTE=Sidney]The Wall Street Journal is calling Nancy Pelosi's 1,990-page Government takeover of healthcare the "worst piece of post-New Deal legislation ever introduced."[/QUOTE]The newspaper whose very name establishes it as the official pimp for the greedy fucks who tanked the global economy is hardly a credible source on matters of economics or politics or threats to the American middle class!
I think we should rename this thread "Sidney's Teaparty." Rant! Rant! Rant! Rant! Rant!
Oy.
[QUOTE=Sinistra]I think we should rename this thread "Sidney's Teaparty." Rant! Rant! Rant! Rant! Rant!
Oy.[/QUOTE]In support of Sidney Peron's hallucinations, the Generalisimo has "disappeared" the dissenters. He's been seen in his black-on-black uniform, dropping posts out of planes over the River Platte!
I'm pretty much a libertarian (think right of center economics, left of center on social issues) but this right-wing foaming is just nauseating and preposterous. I'm embarrassed by what has happened to the Republican party. Limbaugh, Beck and company make me sick of the party that I once proudly supported. But here's some general observations.
1. Stop this bullsh*t blaming Obama for deficits. I HATE deficits, but the theory is run a deficits during periods of recession to stimulate growth and run a surplus during periods of growth to even out the cycle. Bush ran us into a deep, deep hole during periods of growth with his dumb-ass war and his failure to tax sufficiently to cover costs. It was irresponsible pandering to his base. Now that we have to deficit-spend to recover from the greatest economic crisis of our lifetimes (on whose watch?) You're blaming Obama?
2. You suddenly CARE if big brother is watching? WTF? Who the hell rammed the Patriot Act down everyone's throat saying that those people who objected to it were giving aid and comfort to terrorists.
3. There's a reason why less than 20% of the American public now consider themselves Republicans. Don't read anything into these elections. Foaming at the mouth Tea-Douchebags are much more motivated to vote in an off-year election than normal, civilized people. Check out the percentage of the electorate that cast a vote and then come tell me that this was some great referendum.
I have to say, I mostly ignore these areas of the board thinking it a waste of time to get involved. But hell, I've been feeling pissy lately, so I thought I'd take it all out on Sid. Mind you, I think he's full of crap most of the time, I just don't bother to get involved.
Sid's points are after the bullets. I reply below.
•*I don't listen to Limbaugh, Beck, or others. But, it seems the lefties are at least as bad!
No, no they aren't. They aren't as loud, they aren't as bigoted, they aren't as holier than thou and they don't have a "this is MY party, if you don't like it LEAVE attitude. They don't practice slash and burn politics. Birthers. BIRTHERS for God's sake. Of those less than 20% of Americans who are Republicans that remain, most of them believe that Obama is from Kenya, even though there's not a shred of real evidence backing it up. Why? Because they want to believe it. You should hear what these bigots say. Don't even go there with the moral equivalence argument. "The other side is just as bad" is a crap argument used by those with nothing better in their arsenal. Not even close to being as bad, Sid. Not even close.
• Obama deficits dwarf Bush deficits. First, the bailouts started under Bush. Second, if you subtract out the stupid spending on a useless war, subtracted out interest on debt that Bush accumulated, it would be a hell of a lot more manageable. Plus, if Bush had been reasonable, we would have accumulated some surpluses in order to pay for this. Don't count bailouts, the war and interest payments against Obama. NOT his fault.
• Obomination's pandering is greater!
I don't know what this means. It's just an unsubstantiated ad hominem argument that you just threw out there. It sounds nice, but it's meaningless.
•*Obama has accelerated the problems with a totally incompetent recovery program.
Incompetent? Based upon what criteria? The old out of touch idiots on the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal who are mad that they're getting their tax breaks taken away? The vast majority of economist think Obama is doing a reasonable job. His choices ranged from crappy to cataclysmic. Could he have handled it better? Sure. But he's a reasonable / rational person, unlike the idiots running the Republican party who pushed reasonable people with views like mine out. Remember, my economics are right of center, but I find myself unable to have a conversation with people on the far right who dominate the Republican party. At least I can have a discussion with Democrats.
As far as what you said about privacy and the elections, I don't disagree with you. Still, the Republicans are a mess and it's getting worse for them, not better. They are way worse off than the Democrats were during Reagan's time.
[QUOTE=Sinistra]•*I don't listen to Limbaugh, Beck, or others. But, it seems the lefties are at least as bad!
No, no they aren't. They aren't as loud, they aren't as bigoted, they aren't as holier than thou and they don't have a "this is MY party, if you don't like it LEAVE attitude.[/QUOTE]Actually, having been married to a far-left wingnut for 20 years, and being privy to many of the idiocies that she and her political activists were involved in, I have to completely disagree with your statement on this one, Sinistra. The far left is every bit as nuts (bigotted in their way, and CERTAINLY holier than thou!) and extreme and intolerant as the far right.
It's the far right who is killing the Republican party, I think. As it is the far left who is posing problems related to compromise even within their own ranks related to the healthcare bill and producing a certain climate of intolerance of their own.
My ex-wife HATED EVERYONE that was associated with the Republican party, particularly George Bush (I must include myself in there as well) Do prayer meetings and seances, held at multiple locations around the country at the same time, seeking the death of George Bush, for example, count as extreme? Castigating members of their own party who would even dream of trying to compromise with those "greedy bastards who only want to grab everything not nailed down for themselves"? Many examples.
Please.
BTW, I agree with about everything else you said in response to Sid.
Seems to me the problem we have in the US is that a two-party system tries to put too many different paradigms into one bag. There are some supposed core beliefs that each party has, but it's all the extraneous beliefs that get in the way of compromise and therefore cause a lot of strife within each party. It causes civil war amongst their own members, and extends further in strife between the two parties themselves.
If we had multiple parties, things would be a little less combative I think. Maybe. Certainly, I would have more of a hope, also as a Libertarian, of finding people who believe the same way as I do without having to tie myself to a party who is trying to tell a woman what she can do with her body, tell me I can't smoke pot, and make me feel like a second class citizen because I'm not a Christian, all because I want as small a government as possible and don't think that I should support people who don't have a desire to work their asses off like way I do to advance myself.
[QUOTE=El Queso]The far left is every bit as nuts (bigotted in their way, and CERTAINLY holier than thou! And extreme and intolerant as the far right.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely correct, but you're also wrong. Believe me, I've wanted choke the sh#t out of my share of in-your-face lefties. They too are annoying and self-righteous and condescending. But here are a few of points you should consider.
1. At least they aren't stupid. They are extremely annoying and highly drownable, but they usually have reasonably well-formed opinions, and their a**holeness derives from a genuine desire to make the world a better place. I mean come on, how can you argue with everyone having access to health care being a bad idea in theory? I certainly don't want to pay for it, and I think there are definitely downsides. But in a perfect world, why should it be that who lives and who dies is decided by how much money they make? It's one thing to say that it's okay that rich people get to ride around in yachts and have country club memberships, it's another to say poor people should be subjected to a life of intolerable pain, suffering and early death just because they weren't smart or lucky enough to make a lot of money.
2. They aren't nearly as racist and bigoted. For every one left-winger marching for gay rights, there are three right-wing nutbags who vomit religious intolerance or toss around the N word when not in polite company. There are literally thousands of videos on Youtube recording conversations with people at these Teabag events and the things they say are right out of the KKK handbook. This is not to say that they are all bigots, but there's a huge percentage of Limbaugh's and Beck's audience that are.
3. They don't maintain such a prominent position in the political discourse. Certainly the loonies on the left are there and to some extent they drive the political agenda, but Democrats these days are far more centrist and it's obvious. The Republican party is held hostage to Limbaugh and Beck. Politicians can't say anything bad about them without a huge backlash. Republicans who go against them are heckled in cruel ways and thrown to the dogs. You ask a member of Congress from a strong Republican district a simple question "Do you believe that Obama was born in the United States" and they REFUSE to answer. It's just ridiculous.
I believe in smaller government, less taxation and rugged individualism. Who the HELL do I support?
Just saw Fox News for the first time in months. Highly entertaining.
However, their adulation for a strong military and using that military to wreck havoc in far away places was hard to take. A hot girl group wearing miniskirts singing about the honor of dying for causes that make no sense was too much.
As far as I can tell, we would be much better off had we never gone to Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. Furthermore, had we not gone we would have avoided the senseless killing and maiming of millions of soldiers and civilians.
A strong military is a good idea but carelessly using that military is not a good idea.
P.S. a guest appearance by Ollie North, who seemed to be saying that we needed to be involved in more wars, didn´t help matters.