2012 Elections in the USA

Forget it Exon, Toymann will continue with the personal insults which are his trademark here. He thinks that by pushing the wienie Willard and calling anyone who doesn't agree with him a liberal or one of his other 5 cent adjectives (i. e. ignorant, clown), he will scare them off the forum. As I said before, although it is tempting to drop to his wormshit level, you and I have too much class and have actually contributed positively to both AP and ISG. Therefore as always, its best to let trolls babble to themselves. We can leave Toymann alone with his commentaries, insults and lack of status and support on the forums.

The wall street journal recomended 5 books about the mormon church and the history of prejudice against this group. I understand why you are personally angry about some of your past involvement with some people of the mormon faith-or at least they were born into the church. All mormons are not dedicated towards thievery and criminal activities. Basic knowledge about the religion might help and surely couldn't help if you are going to have business dealings regularly with mormons-

Maybe reading about the 1907 smoot hearings, when the first mormon elected to the us senate was initially refuseed their seat and senate hearings were held about whether a mormon should be seated in the USA senate. After obtaining information-including to testimony from joseph smith's son, senator smoot was seated

Exxon you aren't the only one who has made assumptions about an entire religion based out the acts of a few bad guys. Why don't you just keep it to yourself and at least read something about.

Why don't you try reading one of these books or more and at least reading the book reviews:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203462304577136340783641140.html?mod=WSJ_Books_LS_Books_8

warmest regards,

raciasm and prejudice are the lowest forms of political discourse,

the FBI denied the existance of organized crime in america until j edgar retired--what else is new. fjk's religion had nothing to do with him banging one of sam giacano's girl friends--don't next start posting about all catholics and all jews

[url]http://www.pbs.org/mormons/[/url]

Put this on your I-pad and it will put you to sleep. Yes, this is an imperfect group of people-like all groups of people, are most horrible, not. Why may not accept their beliefs. All religions require some form of leap of faith. In our culture some sets of beliefs are more comfortable than others. If the majority wins-then the Buddhists are right!

I'm more worried about the christian ultra-far right political types- I wonder how rick santurom's justice department would approach many things that many of us enjoy-they would make john ashcroft look like a pussy? Now there is a more sympathetic supreme court.

If newt wins, he wants to re-do the constitution and end all over-site my federal courts if the executive and legislative branches agree to disagree with the courts.

Mitt and Obama are the only two that I can seriously imagine

The only good thing about the Mormon cult is that is was invented by a monger.

He is an atheist who who laike make fun of all accepted religious beliefs. He is laughing about the stupidity of religious belief. So what: go find more wacko stuff to make it clearer that your personal obsessions should more the basis for voting decisions.

If I am a "wacko" for accepting freedom of religion and not exploring nor mocking religious beliefs that don't seem attractive to me. I personally to not find most organized religions intellectually nor spiritually attractive.

Membership watch 2 or 3 of exxons' favorite expert in mormonism and judge him as a good sourse of data for making an important decision. I watch bill mar's comedy show. He is a fallen catholic and tells jokes about the cathelic church consistantly. Would you use him for an accurate expert on the church? Bill mar himself is intending to be funny. Your intentions aren't humor and you should know better.

Urch mem.

I take your insults as compliments based upon the source. You have no desire for discourse on the issue-go find more.

You-tubes by unusual guys to support your arguements.

Show me something that mitt has done in the past to hurt non-church members to favor church membership and I'll.

Pay attention. Show me hatred and obsession and I'll feel sorry for you and recognize you as obsessed.

Please call me wacko again, so I know that I am doing the right thing and I am on the right side of this issue:

Should mitt be eliminated as a possible candidate in the minds of the member ship here because he calls himself a mormon?

This is the issue here. Not the mormon church, unless you can tie mitt's public actions to hurting the people to do something to help the church or that most mormons are theives as mr exxon123 has stated or directly implied.

It's clear that generally you do not have a positive outlook on the mormon church==neither do i BUT our personal feelings about the church may or ma ynot have a substantial influence on our final voting decisions depending on the context and choices available. You don't seem obsessed with the issue.

If WW was till posting he would call this a variable that is too subjective to analyze and not lending itself to rational discourse.

This is really fun. Newt is creating tv spots for Obama. Newt could never beat anyone in a national election-too checkered a past: ethical violations while speaker; took millions in consulting fees from freddy / fannie, too many wacko things that will hit him hard in 30 second tv spots.

Now newt is attacking Mitt for doing what a venture capitalist does. Sometimes raping the companies bain purchased. The venture capitalist, sometimes, are the vultures who eat the dead and weak. Other times they help grow a company, bain under mitt turned around staples, domino's pizza amongst othesr.

Newt's super pack-these outfits are amazing-has produced a 28 minute film filled with interviews of people who lost their jobs when bain capital, under Mitt, broke-up their employer, sold off the pieces for profit and lead the remaining shell into bankruptcy. I wonder if the "super pac" will sell the production to the Obama supporters after newt doesn't get the nomination?

[QUOTE=Exon123;420498]Moreover, I'm all in favor of Romney getting the nomination, He'll be the easyest to beat.[/QUOTE]Actually, I think Perry, Gingrich, Santorum and Bachmann (before she dropped out) would have been easier to beat. I say "would have" because this primary season is a fucking joke. It's Romney's race to loose. Though I think he could fuck a billy goat and still have an edge over Gingrich. Remember Exon, in the general election, it's all about money and moving towards the middle. Those other four have ZERO chance of beating Obama in the general election.

With the results in NH coming in, watch out for Ron Paul! Not that he is likely to win eventually, but that this might give him the impetus (and the gall) to launch a 3rd party candidature, thus splintering the Republican vote and dooming Romney in the general. BO must be licking his chops at this prospect. Remember Ross Perot!

Fun times!

Ken

P. S . The below hypothesis is based upon the fact (or my opinion, at least) that Senor Paul is crazy enough (some might call it a commitment to his beliefs) to do this, knowing it will sink the Republican campaign.

Ken.

Obama v mitt-very close:

[url]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html[/url]

Obama way head of the others in polling- jan 10th 2012:

[url]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/elections/[/url]

The wall street journal is owned by the same folks who own fox-this is not the left in any way shape nor form:

[url]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204124204577155112456593648.html?mod=WSJ_article_LatestHeadlines[/url]

Newt Ron Perry and the good old boys don't cotton to what real free market capitalism really is all about, making money with the limits provided by the law and whatever view of human decency one holds.

Even exxon123 has to be right once in a while: Mitt has problems with the base who can't handle the actually reality of free market capitalism. Exxon the mormon angle isn't the real problem as a whole can of worms opens as Newt and Ron Perry go lefty and attack Bain Capital and Mitt.

Does anyone have any real personal integrity or wli they say and do anything to get that nomination. Carolina will get interesting. In 1990, carl rove destroyed mccain lead in the polls by have telephone banks calling voter and asking them questions about their reactions to john mccaain's black love child-he adopted a pakastani orphan with a dark complexion. Someone told 100% bold face lies about mccaion's daughter to pull vote for W-the rest is history-mission accomplished! Will newt stoop so low as to attack mitt because he was a successful legitimate venture capitalist-the answer is yes!

The bumbling Obama hasn't started looking for the million dollar per year+ bonuses investment banking job yet-he may yet full off another 4 years after demonstrating an inability to negociate the corridors of power and chew gum at the same time.

So Ron Paul reminds me of the shaky deputy, otherwise, he makes the most sense. The rest are just lobbyists for the Wall St / Military Industrial crowd. And for most of the audience and even the press, they couldn't care less. They just wanted to hear what they wanted to hear. If americans learn to save, everyday would be X'mas day.

While the GOP candidates are doing their dead level best to kill each other in the primaries, YES Bob they will say anything to get elected, Obama merrily trips along cutting the military, increasing welfare and deciding the Constitution of the United States is not worth the paper it is written on with his recess appointments.

I know our left wing brothers on this board are gloating but when the 2012 elections roll around in November what exactly will Obama run on? You can bet your bottom dollar it will not be his record.

Add to this the thrashing Obama and his Justice Department lackey Erick Holder are about to receive from the Supreme Court this summer on ObamaCare, state immigration laws, redistricting, and a few other cases, I'm not sure he will be able to blame everyone else for his failures.

Obama's own words are already biting him in the ass now and the GOP is still involved in primaries, wait until they have a candidate and turn all that money and venom on the Anointed One. How ugly will it get this summer, pretty ugly.

I'm pretty sure Mitt will end up with the nomination so it will make for an interesting election cycle this year.

I have always admired Texas Governor Rick Perry, especially the last several years. He never ceases to amaze me with his complete lack of geopolitical knowledge and his inferior mental incapacity. His most recent gaffe, calling out Turkey as being "ruled by Islamist Terrorists" is his latest gem.

Wow. This moron needs to go back to the plains of Texas and stop embarrassing the Republican Party as in now.