Airlines

I don't know why people use Hotwire or Priceline for airline tickets. I did it once or twice and luckily didn't have any problems. However, no frequent flyer miles, and as you have pointed out, in occassion of irregular ops, you're often SOL.

As for the endorsable ticket, I think you're referring to Rule 240. At least that's what has been written on my ticket when I've had to change airlines during weather or equipment problems.

[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz]JC what I'm talking about is a fare value associated with the ticket. In the priceline TICKET, not on the web site when the price is quoted, but the actual ticket that is issued. Regardless if the ticket is paper or electronic on the lower left there will be what is called the "fare ladder" this is where fare, and taxes are shown seperatly adding up to the total price of the ticket. On a piceline ticket it will look something like this.

Fare BULK.

X tax $22.50

Why tax $23.20

Blah blah blah, a ticket like this is not subject to IATA rule number 720 D (I think thats the number, I don't work the ticket counter much anymore) which is the agreement between IATA airline members to accept each others passengers based on available space during irregular operations. The airline that accepts you agrees to fly you for the face value of your ticket. A priceline ticket has no face value so no other airline has to accept you unless your original airline is willing to reissue the ticket. Then the original airline pays the full fare for the class of service you fly in. This is part of the small print nobody reads on pricelines web site when they buy the ticket.

What you need is this.

Fare $780.00

Xtax $22.50

Ytax blah.

Total fare blah.

Travelocity I believe has a fare value on the ticket I forgot to check at work today so I can't say for sure. You can also run into this problem with some live travel agency's as well.

Most times it's not an issue so I'm not saying NEVER do it. I'm saying be aware that if you purchase a ticket from them and your flight gets fucked up while they are moving other people to another airline you may be stuck. I see it happen every single time ORD or IAD go down due to storms.[/QUOTE]Question how can you tell when booking on line what type of ticket you are getting? I have recently booked through Obitz, and there is a dollar amount in the "fare ladder". However I have used other websites in the past and I don't know if they had a dollar amount or if they were bulk, but I did get skymiles from Delta. Is there a way to tell before you book?

Thanks for the info.

If you're using a normal travel search engine (Orbitz, Travelocity, Expedia) you should be fine. When you get tickets via Priceline, Hotwire or a consolidator, you may not get miles, and may have problems if you have to reschedule.

I would imagine there maybe something in the "terms and conditions" however I don't know. Now that I think of it I think it is Orbitz not Travelosity that has a fare value. Works been crazy and I keep forgetting to go through tickets and look.

I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Priceline does not.

Check in terms and conditions and see if it says anything about rebooking, resceduling, it may mention 725D or 120 explicitly. I have no experiance buying tickets from them so I don't know. I would be willing to bet if it says you can't earn miles it has no fare but I could be wrong about this as well.

[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz]I would imagine there maybe something in the "terms and conditions" however I don't know. Now that I think of it I think it is Orbitz not Travelosity that has a fare value. Works been crazy and I keep forgetting to go through tickets and look.

I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Priceline does not.

Check in terms and conditions and see if it says anything about rebooking, resceduling, it may mention 725D or 120 explicitly. I have no experiance buying tickets from them so I don't know. I would be willing to bet if it says you can't earn miles it has no fare but I could be wrong about this as well.[/QUOTE]Daddy Rulz,

I am not busting your balls when I say that this particular post belongs to WSG Archive classic. I still can not stop laughing. Except for the Priceline comment, every sentence, especially the last one, starts with a pure conviction and ends with a full surrender. Don't get too much riled up on this. If you have a sense of humor you should find your post really amusing. Thanks for making my Friday.

Bandy

"Check in terms and conditions and see if it says anything about rebooking, resceduling, it may mention 725D or 120 explicitly. I have no experiance buying tickets from them so I don't know. I would be willing to bet if it says you can't earn miles it has no fare but I could be wrong about this as well."

BECAUSE I don't know I told him to check. I told him this because he asked me a question I was not CERTAIN of the answer to. I don't see how "check in the terms and conditions" qualifies as pure conviction. Something like "If you look in the terms and conditions you will see that" would be an example of, as you say, pure conviction.

The first section started out:

"I would imagine there maybe something in the "terms and conditions" however I don't know."

Now THAT is a bold statement, full of conviction I must say. It's the kind of thing I say when I'm making an educated guess you numb nuts.

Here is a declarative statement. "Brandy, your a fine girl fine, what a good cell b1tch you would make." Or maybe "Bandy you jumped my ass in another section of this forum because you didn't like something I said there. Now your making Rovian statements here in a pitiful attempt to make me look like I'm flip flopping. Do you stay awake at night thinking of these things?

Just curious, were you wearing your Grandma's panties and smearing peanut butter on your wee wee while you were laughing?

I confered with a co-worker today about internet tickets. We had no large stack of them to check, it's amazing how few paper tickets you see anymore. She used to work at the international rate desk in ORD and has forgotten more about ticketing than I will ever know. It was her OPINION (note the word opinion brandy) and her RECOLECTION (note that one as well) that both Travelocity and Orbitz generaly have fare value. Orbitz all the time and travelocity most of the time.

Disclamer for my b1tch brandy. Neither of us are CERTAIN about this, it is our considered opinion lacking the ability to PROVE with real data. I BELIEVE we are correct but I can not SWEAR I am.

In the end, I do not know how to make certain you will get the kind of ticket that allows movement when you purchase from a re-seller such as these. However I am not saying you should not buy them. The reason I broached this subject was in order to warn you guys that sometimes you can get fucked at the airport instead of getting fucked at Tres Sargentos. I feel I have raised awareness of this issue and have made a contribution. I have not stated anything I don't know is fact, and when I wasn't sure I mentioned that. Use my advice if you care to. PM me if you have any questions and I'll do my best to answer them.

I am making my first trip to BA during the last week of August. I purchased my ticket through Expedia (like I have on many trips) and havent really had any problems. I am the type of person who likes to pick the times I want to fly, the airline and the type of planes which to me makes a big difference. This time I got an email from Expedia saying my flight has changed. Right then this bummed me out because my original flight was LAX-ORD-EZE, now it was changed to LAX-IAD-EZE. No big to some but it just makes for a longer flight. United changed the time and flight info. So I called Expedia and they where cool on the phone. I told them the new flight wasnt what I wanted and I had researched something new through IAD and asked for a change. Expedia put me on hold, called up United and within 5 minutes my request was granted, no charge at all.

After reading the last week of posts I feel kinda of lucky to not get bumped off the flight to BA to begin with. Guess luck is on my side. Hope it goes the same when I arrive! Thanks for all the great info on this site.

[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz]Just curious, were you wearing your Grandma's panties and smearing peanut butter on your wee wee while you were laughing?[/QUOTE]Rosa Maria does not like being called Grandma.:)

We can build up our own little data base.

Triple Input, if you have recieved a paper ticket do you have a fare value on the lower left? You guys can look at your tickets and answer Punters question.

JC your right. If you tell are M I said that I'll have to turn you into a Soprano and I don't mean like Tony.

Looks like LAX-ORD has been substituted to LAX-IAD - Hmmm; This is Expedia or UA? Normally an Airline will not drastically change a routing this far in advance. Check the buzz on flyertalk on such occurances.

[QUOTE=CityDude]Looks like LAX-ORD has been substituted to LAX-IAD - Hmmm; This is Expedia or UA? Normally an Airline will not drastically change a routing this far in advance. Check the buzz on flyertalk on such occurances.[/QUOTE]I think that it was mentioned on FT that they are discontinuing the direct flight from ORD. I'm not sure if this is a temporary (seasonal) change or not.

The ORD- EZE flight on UA was cancelled for the North Americian summer, it is scheduled to return in December. If they had not rerouted you thru IAD you could not have traveled on United to BsAs. I am not sure what changes you made, but I do know that they IAD-EZE portion is exactly the same aircraft your new itenerary was changed to, I am sure the only change is the LAX-IAD portion. Just want to pass along a small piece of advice, if you don't travel a lot to the east coast in the summer. I would not schedule a tight connection for myself late on a summer evening in IAD (or any hub east of the Mississippi) if there is only one flight to my destination (ie. UA flt 847 IAD-EZE is the only UA flight to BsAs) If your flight from LAX encounters weather problems trying to get to IAD, I would be shocked if the flight to BsAs will wait for your arrival, especially traveling on an Expedia ticket.

But hey I could be wrong!

If you are leaving from the west coast you should try Groupo Taca or one of the Lan's (Lann Chile etc.) I have found them to be cheaper and much faster. AA through DFW is not bad either. At all cost stay away from AA through Miami. The airport is torn up, customs & Immagration is overloaded and when you miss your flight they tell you to beso mi coulo! In April I did Lax / SJO (8 hr layover in San jose for a little fun (my idea)) EZE $459! And Groupo Taca is having a promotion for the summer, no overweight charges. Saved me a small fortune.

Gandolf50

I have an E ticket (not a paper) so there is no fare value on the bottom.

As Sky Rider said, UA changed there flight to BA so it goes through IAD. It does suck since it is alot easier to go through ORD. I have about 3 hrs between the time I arrive in IAD and when I have to depart. Should be good. I havent had any problems in the last few years with Expedia but there is always a chance. Last year got a ticket from Expedia to Uruguay and it was all good.

For the last two years UAL hasn't operated ORD-EZE in N America summer. This ear they said it was due to losing a lease on a plane. I think it's more about load factor. The flight is showing back in December but if past years are an example service should resume around Sept. Oct. The change is due to UAL not expedia.

For us non-revs this fucking sucks as I couldn't get on the fucking plane last night and had to spend the night in DC. Daddy's not happy. Will be trying again tonight.

Since UAL canceled the ORD / EZE route, the IAD / EZE flights I took two weeks ago were completed full. Not an empty seat in the plane in both directions. Sorry, more bad news for Daddy Rulz.

I got out on Sunday night, though due to an exceptionaly large group of longtime employee I had to fucking ride in coach. Oh the horror.

Greetings Gentlemen,

I am to work in Campana at the end of September for three - four weeks and hope to meet up with like-minded gents who know the scene and don't mind a newbie hanging on!

Any accommodation suggestions / offers would be greatly appreciated, especially if there are any of my homelanders out there!

There's an airline called LANCHILE hat has a flight from LAX to EZE with a 3 hour stop in Santigo Chile, it leaves at 2:00 pm and arrives at EZE at 11:30am.

[QUOTE=Hans25]There's an airline called LANCHILE hat has a flight from LAX to EZE with a 3 hour stop in Santigo Chile, it leaves at 2:00 pm and arrives at EZE at 11:30am[/QUOTE]That's a bit more time than the Copa flight that stops in PTY. I'm pretty sure it's a more direct flight as well, with a 2 hour or less stopover. All the LAN flights I've seen are pricing higher too.

Has anyone purchased ticket from onetravel. Com and airfare. Com? Are they legit and are their tickets eligible for airline miles? The tickets I'm looking at are about $80 - $100 cheaper there than most other mainstream online travel sites like Travelocity, Expedia, and Orbitz for the same flights and date. With the ability to earn up to 23K miles for each RT ticket, I will only purchase tickets that can earn me miles.

Thanks.

I recently had my ball and chain removed (along with a goo portion of my wallet) I am planning on a celebration trip in November around Thanksgiving. I have enough air miles for a US to South America trip. I would like to make the most of my first trip here and spend some time in Buenos Aires. Rio and Sao Paolo.

I need some help with choosing the right gateway city for my international trip and also some recommendations on reliable and reasonable airlines between the cities.

Thanks in advance. I look forward to contributing detailed trip reports shortly.

[QUOTE=Regular Trave]I recently had my ball and chain removed (along with a goo portion of my wallet) I am planning on a celebration trip in November around Thanksgiving. I have enough air miles for a US to South America trip. I would like to make the most of my first trip here and spend some time in Buenos Aires. Rio and Sao Paolo.

I need some help with choosing the right gateway city for my international trip and also some recommendations on reliable and reasonable airlines between the cities.

Thanks in advance. I look forward to contributing detailed trip reports shortly.[/QUOTE]We need more information.

1. Which airline are your miles on?

2. What are your mongering priorities?

3. How comfortable are you in other countries?

4. Do you speak Spanish or Portuguese?

5. How much time do you have?

6. Where are you flying from?

[QUOTE=Regular Trave]I recently had my ball and chain removed (along with a goo portion of my wallet) I am planning on a celebration trip in November around Thanksgiving. I have enough air miles for a US to South America trip. I would like to make the most of my first trip here and spend some time in Buenos Aires. Rio and Sao Paolo.

I need some help with choosing the right gateway city for my international trip and also some recommendations on reliable and reasonable airlines between the cities.

Thanks in advance. I look forward to contributing detailed trip reports shortly.[/QUOTE]I did this through American FF miles. Good thing is they are partner with TAM. My routing was dallas - BA (AA) BA - sao polo - Rio (TAM) Rio - Miami -dallas (AA)

Entire trip covered by the FF miles. Good thing it was less FF miles than the normal requirements since it is off-peak. I had a blast in both the locations.

[QUOTE=Easy Go]We need more information.

1. Which airline are your miles on?

2. What are your mongering priorities?

3. How comfortable are you in other countries?

4. Do you speak Spanish or Portuguese?

5. How much time do you have?

6. Where are you flying from?[/QUOTE]I will be using Delta miles.

I am primarily interested in outcall services but feel the need to visit the termas and other incall facilities that have been discussed here.

I speak some Spanish, no Portugese.

The trip will probably be about two weeks.

My flight will originate from the Midwest US.

Hope this helps Thanks

I forgot to add that for several years I traveled extensively throughout Europe, Israel and Turkey. Although married I did take advantage of this time to monger in every country I visited. Due to a job change in 2002 my travel stopped, along with the mongering. Interestingly enough it also was the beginning of the end of my marriage.

I am sure Dr. Phil would have a field day with this!

I'm not a Delta frequent flyer, but believe their coach reward is 50k miles. I flew coach LAX-ATL-EZE and while not great is was acceptable.

If you're flying out of ORD, you may also want to look at buying your ticket. You'll pay about $600 with taxes if you pick a non peak time. AA and Lan have this pricing right now. Delta is considerably higher.

If you fly LAN or AA, you'd want to sign up for the AA Challenge, which would allow you to become an elite member (and get extra miles and upgrades) with just one long international trip.

I generally try to get 1.5 to 2 cents per mile of value out of my FF miles. If you used 50k for a flight from the US on Delta it would be about 1 cent per mile. I think the Biz class reward is 80-90k. You'd have to ask Dickhead about the comfort level, since I've never flown DL Biz.

[QUOTE=Regular Trave]I will be using Delta miles.

I am primarily interested in outcall services but feel the need to visit the termas and other incall facilities that have been discussed here.

I speak some Spanish, no Portugese.

The trip will probably be about two weeks.

My flight will originate from the Midwest US.

Hope this helps Thanks[/QUOTE]Unless you have a lot of flexibility, don't assume that you are going to be able to get a Saver ticket. Saver award tickets can be tight. An unrestricted award coach seat to southern South America is 100K on Delta.

The Delta schedule says that Delta will be flying ATL-GIG (Rio) direct starting 1 October. My recomendation would be a week in Rio and a week in BA. While in Rio, you might consider visiting Buzios or another beach town for part of the trip. Definitely try to hook up with some of the regular mongering crowd especially in Rio where local course knowledge really pays off.

In BA, pay attention to the recommendations on the boards. Unless you want the adventure of discovery, you'll do a lot better than picking girls at random from either the clubs or Internet sites. Girls in Roxana's and Silvina's sections are pretty reliable performers as are girls you might meet at the Mansion. If you go to an apartment, don't forget that most of the girls are available for takeout.

In Rio, termas are great. You can get phone numbers to hook up later but be discrete about it as the girls can get into trouble sometimes. I've had good luck at Help but it is a major crapshoot. Rio is much better for overnights if that's your interest.

I've never used agencies in either city so have no recommenation there.

Good luck, EG

You also might want to check the Delta section on flyertalk. Com for insight into award travel on Delta.

You can fly an open jaw (ORD-GIG and EZE-ORD) on an Delta award ticket. But GIG-EZE one-way can be expensive. I think I paid around $US385 last time I did it.

You can get a one way fare on Gol for $180-$250 from either SP (cheaper) or Rio (higher) GIG / EZE or GRU / EZE. They are a bit difficult to buy tickets on, since you must have an AMEX card to buy the ticket from abroad, or pay cash in country (or use a Brazilian Visa / Mastercard)

UA's Latin America service has been cut way back.

They are down to 1 flight a day and it always sold out. Saw lots of people running to make connection only to have UA slam door in their face (I missed my leg day 1 as I was waiting for co-traveller)

Coming back Sunday night was better - plane was not full. Its only a matter of time till they close the Red Carpet club in BA and end service to Latin America.

[QUOTE=ChicagoBoy23]UA's Latin America service has been cut way back.

They are down to 1 flight a day and it always sold out. Saw lots of people running to make connection only to have UA slam door in their face (I missed my leg day 1 as I was waiting for co-traveller)

Coming back Sunday night was better - plane was not full. Its only a matter of time till they close the Red Carpet club in BA and end service to Latin America.[/QUOTE]UAL will resume their ORD-EZE route on 15 Dec. At least according to their booking website.

Not going anywhere. Trip down the drain. Supposed to have left weekend of the 18th of July for 3, 4 weeks in Argentina, but due to a cold or reaction to insect bite missed the plane. When I was able to fly without sneezing and coughing tried reserving a seat on AA from JFK to EZE and was told overbooked, oversold, poor for standby, and the flight has a couple of standbys already. Lowest regular fare to be found was $1200 which was out of the question since I still have my original standby ticket and had to eat some other costs as well. Myself and co-workers have flown this route many times and never had this problem so this came out of the blue. Jackson tried to accomodate me with lodging if I could ever get there which did not happen. Thanks alot Jackson, next time better planning and luck on my part I hope. Now I'm stuck here in this disgusting 90 degree weather. Main reason for trip was to get some cold weather as well as the pussy.

Agent on phone said "after June 1st everyone who hasn't flown since 9-11 decided to get on a plane and fly", and "don't even try to go to Europe this summer". Just saw an ad from United where flights to EZE from major US cities between 8-15 and 11-22 are around $800, lucky me.

So to wrap it up no casa de chicas, Orleans Cafe, Isenbeck, alfajores, cold air, Triangle, and many other things that are too hard to think about right now. I will continue to live vicariously through the adventures of supermongers who bang different chicks every nite while cooking exotic dishes, mongers who develop sexual infatuations with different chicks in different bolliches, and mongers who hang out at Orleans all afternoon. Think of me in the local Starbucks getting dagger-like stares because I happened to glance in a broads direction and be happy you are in BsAs.

Thanks guys for all the quick responses and PM's.

I will be making plans and continue to review the posts. Without a doubt I will be contacting Roxana and Silvina for assistance. As this will be my first venture to BA, why take any risks.

[QUOTE=ChicagoBoy23]UA's Latin America service has been cut way back.

They are down to 1 flight a day and it always sold out. Saw lots of people running to make connection only to have UA slam door in their face (I missed my leg day 1 as I was waiting for co-traveller)

Coming back Sunday night was better - plane was not full. Its only a matter of time till they close the Red Carpet club in BA and end service to Latin America.[/QUOTE]I don't think United will close BsAs as a city (Christ I fucken hope not) the load factors are ok and labor there is low. Unlike Santiago and Lima BsAs has a city pair with Montevideo.

I predict the second ORD flight will resume before December. I know it's not showing yet but I predict late October. I've been looking at the loads for August and they are dropping towards the end of the month and September is empty at this point. Tons of NC upgrades available from the 27th August.

Thanks for using Daddys travel service.

I rarely think more than two weeks in advance without going back and changing my plans.

However, after being confronted with a $8000 (Dollars, not Pesos) ATL-EZE in business I was forced to go coach, and still paid over $1000 for the privelege of sitting next to an aging portena who had to get up every 15 minutes to relieve herself.

Delta is now offering $2100 business class ATL-EZE with 50 day advance (same basic rate from many markets) so if you are thinking about a spring time trip, book it now and cash it in for something else if the trip falls through.

Worth a look.

I'm planning to spend Thanksgiving in BA and have been monitoring UAL airfare to EZE for November past few weeks. Today I found an UAL R/T ticket in Orbitz. Com from my hometown in the NE to EZE via IAD for $545 tax included. There is an additional $21 fee for paper ticket and FEDEX delivery (There is no choice in those matters). The catch is the return flight is not direct from EZE to IAD. First leg is EZE to Sao Paulo on TAM, then connecting from Sao Paulo to IAD on UAL. It is at least $200 cheaper than direct EZE to IAD return route. The connection is not too bad. The TAM flight from EZE to Sao Paulo leaves at 6:00 pm instead of 9:30 pm for UAL direct flight. With 3 hours layover in Sao Paulo, the connecting UAL flight leaves San Paulo at 12:30 am and arrives IAD at 7:20 am. I believe it is worth the $200 plus savings.

Thats a hell of a fair. If I ever actually bought tickets I think I would jump on that. One VERY minor consideration, a Yanqui pig needs a visa to enter Brazil, since you are connecting on an international flight no visa will be required. However in the worst case (I do work for the airline after all and think worst case all the time) if the flight cancels in GRU I'm pretty sure you couldn't leave the transit area unless you currantly hold a visa for Brazil. It's a VERY minor consideration and certainly wouldn't stop me from buying that fare.

To put it in perspective I pay around $US 110.00 or so to fly round trip standby including taxes but not airport fees.

United is adding a second Sao Paulo to IAD flight beginning on Oct.30 and it is the flight you are connecting to in GRU. I will be very surpirised if UAL drops service to BsAs and GRU, because of loads and other considerations.

I will also be surprised if they add the ORD-EZE flight before Dec. Because of a lack of available lift, but hey I could be wrong.