Clubs and Boliches - General Info

Even with all the extensive info on this site, it is hard to keep track of the pricing structures of the clubs. Here is a summary of the top three club pricing based on MY experience in the last two weeks. The club that is best in that category is marked with "BIC". Please feel to correct misinformation as this is mostly meant for newbies and I do not want to mislead anyone.

Entry:

Madahos: 60 pesos which includes one free drink.

La Lopez: 60 pesos which includes one free drink.

Black: 50 pesos which includes one free drink (BIC)

Specials / coupons.

Madahos: 60 pesos with a second free drink. You can get this coupon from several waiters in the restaurants and disco clubs in the area. Best bets are at the Silver pub and La Chacrasa (sp? Next to Newport.

La Lopez: Loose the touts and ask at the door if you can just look inside. Worked every time both on weekends and weekdays. That way you get in without cover and hangout as long as you want. If you do want a drink, it is 60 pesos. (BIC)

Black: Tell the cabbie that you have been there before and tell the front door guy that you were there a few nights ago. Works if he recognizes you. If not try."I am staying at the Marriott". Gets you in for free.

[u]Chica drinks[/u]

Madahos: 1 drink, 100 pesos.

La Lopez: 1 drink, 80 pesos (BIC)

Black: 2 drinks, 80-120 pesos. This got very confusing. See my discussion with one of the managers, Daniel on this issue.

[u]Take out prices[/u] (based on at least 9 takeouts from these clubs)

Madahos: 350 minimum to 400 maximum (2 takeouts)

La Lopez: 250 minimum to 300 maximum (4 takeouts) (BIC)

Black: 400 (3 takeouts)

[u]Dancers[/u]

Madahos: Minimum three on stage. 8-10 n looks (BIC)

La Lopez: one to two, sometimes none. 7-9 in looks. On Saturday nights, mostly the working chicas were getting up on the stage in groups and having a good time. I did not see any professional dancers over a period of two hours.

Black: Minimum three on stage. 8-10 in looks. The dancers also come to you, dance in front of you and expect you to stuff some pesos in their thongs (North American style)

[u]Ambiance[/u]

Madahos: Has the typical north american strip club style set up with a stage and poles. Good music. There is an elevated balcony and mainstage with setup for 3 to 4 dancers at a time and the seating allows you to check them all out out. Large bar.

La Lopez: The setup is classy but the place is cozy. One stage. Small bar but the bartender is the friendliest and she is generous with her drinks. (BIC)

Black: No stage to speak of. Dances happen on the bar and side tables.

[u]In-House services[/u]

Madahos: None that I know of.

La Lopez: They have a "VIP" area upstairs, 160 pesos for chica drinks. I was offered services there for 300 pesos for one hour by at least two chicas.

Black: None that I know of.

Vitrea, thanks for the very helpful and informative post.

The drinks (both guy's and chica's) at La Lopez were slightly lower when I was there recently but maybe they have gone up.

You did quite well on the take-out prices. As you may have experienced, the chicas often start out with higher quotes but can be negotiated down. I'm curious if you found much resistance for the minimums you got or if they were agreed to quite readily, and if you found any correlations with price vs service or club vs service.

Also for the benefit of other readers - any names (chicas) to avoid, or any really good recommendations?

One thing I don't like about Black is the dancers will come over and dance next to you if you're seated at a table, or dance in front of you on the table if you're seated on a couch. They expect a tip, unless you wave them off as soon as they start with a 'no gracias'.

[QUOTE=Esten]Vitrea, thanks for the very helpful and informative post.

The drinks (both guy's and chica's) at La Lopez were slightly lower when I was there recently but maybe they have gone up.

You did quite well on the take-out prices. As you may have experienced, the chicas often start out with higher quotes but can be negotiated down. I'm curious if you found much resistance for the minimums you got or if they were agreed to quite readily, and if you found any correlations with price vs service or club vs service.

Also for the benefit of other readers - any names (chicas) to avoid, or any really good recommendations?[/QUOTE]Esten, Good question about names. I posted them in the respective clubs.

Last night I was in the mood to do some research on the places of the night which had been my favorite spots on my last trip.

At first I went to J a z z.

I arrived at midnight. No entrance fee, no guests inside and only 4 below average looking chicas dancing. Within less than 10 seconds I was out.

Next to S a l o m e.

Almost the same as Jazz. No entrance fee, only one guest (not sure, could be also part of the staff) and six average looking girls. Again, less than a minute and I was out and went to.

S o l I d G o l d in Recoleta.

The place was more busy. 50 Pesos entrance fee, two drinks included. About 8 guests and maybe 15 girls. Only one guest was sitting with a girl.

Again the selection of the girls didn't impress me at all. But it wasn't a waste of time, because I enjoyed the sex shows. They were worth the entrance fee.

There have been some reports of high pressure in this club. I had no problems and felt comfortable. Only two girls approached me, but when I made it clear, that I want to stay alone, they were friendly and accepted it.

I left at 1am and went to a club, where I have never been before -

L A L o p e z.

More spacey than solid gold and better music. But no sex show, only some.

Dancing. 50 Pesos entrance fee, but only one drink included.

Friendly atmosphere. I saw at least 20 girls and about 12 guests. Again only one guest was sitting with agirl.

After a while I decided to have at least one drink with a girl this night and choose a skinny girl who has the cutest face I have seen so far on p4p places on this trip. The name is Fior, and she told me that she is from the Dominican Republik. She must have seen some kind of disappointment about this fact on my face, because she immediately asked me whether this is a poblem. I said no, but that was not the truth.

Anyway, after some chatting we talked about prices and she wanted 400 pesos for one hour. I wasn't in the mood to do a lot of negotiation, beause the main purpose of the night tour was to do some research on the clubs.

I left and went back to my appartment, alone.

After all, at both places in recoleta I saw no takeout of a girl and was surprised, that the places were not packed with tourists at the eastern weekend. Business seem to be very slow, so it is a mysteery for me why they insist on this skyhigh prices.

Lueck Hoff

I know some folks who are involved in running a new place in Recoleta - Franklin Pub, Junin 1621. Thew way I hear it, the place offers food and chicas.

Anyone been there yet? I haven't been out lately due to some health concerns but would appreciate any feedback that I can direct to my contacts - like - are they legit and reasonable?

Thanks.

PS: they were handing out fake 100 dollar bill flyers with a promo for the second drink free last week.

I envy you all in BA.

For different reasons I have ended up in Palma de Mallorca.

It is a shit.

Anyone knows a good place here?

[QUOTE=Isola2000]I envy you all in BA.

For different reasons I have ended up in Palma de Mallorca.

It is a shit.

Anyone knows a good place here?[/QUOTE]Your in the wrong place, go to [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=790[/url]

Has anyone been to the "Players" on Guido and Ayacucho?

Thanks for the info.

DWC

Well having been to BA a number of times. My recommendations would be Shampoo first, then The Big M second. I should say I speak Spanish but very bad in grammar and verbs but fluent other than those important caveats. My experience has been very positive and unlike many tourist I do dress well and even if I am middle class, I look rich, however I am simply middle class. Looking Rich or purportedly looking rich, some would say is a detriment but I did not find that, in all cases one would suggest I paid a more than honest (low) price for services rendered (without tacit admission) I don't know if its the language skills or the fact I respect them? I do respect working girls of course with individual criterion's. The only bad experience I had was with 2 Paraguayans in a lesbian 3 some which robbed me blind, no explanation needed except watch out for those drinks. But I think simply put it pays to have respect and good language skills (at least try)

DWC, It is my understanding that Shampoo has been closed for sometime. The high end places in Recoleta include Player, Black, Madahos.

I have been to Madahos which has gorgeous dancers and girls on the floor generally range from 7 to 9's. Apparently you can take the dancers out but only after you take a second mortgage out on you home.

I did not make it into Black or Player but I am told the previous occupant of my apartment did and took out a stunner which turned out to be a worse lay of his whole trip.

Yoosin

[QUOTE=Dancesw /Chicas]Has anyone been to the "Players" on Guido and Ayacucho?

Thanks for the info.

DWC[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Yoosin]I did not make it into Black or Player but I am told the previous occupant of my apartment did and took out a stunner which turned out to be a worse lay of his whole trip.[/QUOTE]There is one place called Players and another one called Play. Obviously, it is easy to confuse them.

I went to Play with the fellow that Yoosin is referring too. We didn't go to Players.

We had seen a photo of a dancer at Play in a porn mag and decided to check her out.

A 50 entry fee, for one drink. But this is one place it is good to listen to the touts, because if you take their card in you'll get two drinks for your 50 pesos.

Stepping inside we were blown away by the dancer on the stage. A definite 10+.

I asked to see the porn star, named Nati. Christ, it seems like one in every three girls in Bs. As. are named Natalia or Nati. It turned out it was the chica who was dancing.

When they told her someone had asked to talk to her she looked totally pissed off. I did not take it personally as she had no idea who was doing the asking. She just didn't want to have anything to do with anyone.

Yes, we had been warned she had a nasty attitude.

She quickly told me that it was 600 for sex on-site, 300 for a BJ, or 150 for a chica drink just for her to stay at the table.

Needless to say, it took me all of about two seconds to decide to take a pass on those offers.

I was also told that take out was not an option, nor does she ever give out her phone number. I am sure that both of those statements are complete and utter lies.

I don't think that the chica drink would have necessarily meant that she would bother to converse with me. It was just to sit there and look hot for a few minutes.

Then I called Larissa over. Okay, she was not quite as hot as Nati, but she was easily a 9.5 and very friendly. She talked to me for over half an hour at no cost, nor any chica drink. She gave me her cell number and we set an afternoon date.

Larissa later had a reason as to why she couldn't make it, but I am confident it was just typical fucked up chica follow-through. At least she called ahead of time and wasn't nasty about it or anything.

In fact, she was very apologetic. How rare is that?

Now unlike me, my wingman was loaded with money. The next night he decided that he had 600 pesos burning a hole in his pocket, and it all had Nati's name on it. He returned to do her on site.

He reported back to me that she was only eye candy, and as we expected, was completely lifeless and listless in bed. The sorriest fuck of his life.

So now you know the rest of the story.

DB

[QUOTE=Dancesw /Chicas]Has anyone been to the "Players" on Guido and Ayacucho?

Thanks for the info.

DWC[/QUOTE]Went there late last month. I was reasonably impressed by the atmosphere and quality of girls. Entrada was $50 and included 2 beers. One interesting policy is that you must buy a chica drink for $100 in order to begin the negotiation process. As a result, I have no idea what the girls ask and / or what they accept.

FT

Just imagine the Bejing stadium full of Hookers and Mongerers. While we players are out on the field attempting unbelievable feats of sex!

Yoosin

I recently received a message from one of the chicas from Newport. Really pissed off that I posted pictures and a description of the services. She has made threats of taking legal action. What actions are available to them?

How are these girls seeing the posts? Are they logging on to the site? Is someone showing them the site?

At her request I have asked the post be removed. How will we ever share good honest info about services rendered if this continues?

Yoosin

Hi Yoosin,

Since your post was removed, I cannot read your review.

But. A question. Did you ask her if if was OK to post the picture?

I feel that she is a hooker. So any written review of her is her problem. It is part of her job. But her picture is another story.

If she performs well. She wants you to post, so she can get more business.

If she is a *****, that's what reporting on any forum is about. So that others can learn. And I thank you for that information.

In Amsterdam and the German FKK scene, some girls I know frequently read the forums, so it is advisable not to give too much private information.

In both these places, photos are usually not allowed, so that is not an issue there.

Best Regards.

Smuler

Do you live here? If you don't I seriously doubt there is any legal action she could take.

Look at the Pam & Tommy Lee video, or Verne Troyer.

Seriously though I have seen ArgentinaPrivate bumper stickers about here and there over town its not rocket science that they catch on.

[QUOTE=Yoosin]I recently received a message from one of the chicas from Newport. Really pissed off that I posted pictures and a description of the services. She has made threats of taking legal action. What actions are available to them?

How are these girls seeing the posts? Are they logging on to the site? Is someone showing them the site?

At her request I have asked the post be removed. How will we ever share good honest info about services rendered if this continues?

Yoosin[/QUOTE][blue]Greetings everyone,

I get these sort of threats several times a year, including separate written complaints delivered by certified mail from Irina and Ms. Sole.

My response is always the same: Sue me.

I don't even know what legal rights are involved here, but I do know enough to know that a dirt-poor, uneducated puta, usually here illegally, doesn't have the financial, education or social resources to pose a credible threat to me.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=Yoosin]I recently received a message from one of the chicas from Newport. Really pissed off that I posted pictures and a description of the services. She has made threats of taking legal action. What actions are available to them?

How are these girls seeing the posts? Are they logging on to the site? Is someone showing them the site?

At her request I have asked the post be removed. How will we ever share good honest info about services rendered if this continues?

Yoosin[/QUOTE]This just keeps happening, if you go back and RTFF you will see this why the Private Photo Gallery was created. Many of us have been the victim of this same bullshit.

If a chica poses for photos without restriction and especially if she is being paid by the hour, I think she is giving implied permission and she has no bi*tch coming, imho.

There may be a moral issue with posting the photos without her explicit permission. But anybody who poses for nude photos in today ’s world and thinks they won ’t turn up on the internet is just plain stupid!

[QUOTE=Punter 127]If a chica poses for photos without restriction and especially if she is being paid by the hour, I think she is giving implied permission and she has no bi*tch coming, imho. [/QUOTE]She is getting paid for sex and opening her legs, she is not getting paid for modelling.

[QUOTE=Punter 127]There may be a moral issue with posting the photos without her explicit permission. But anybody who poses for nude photos in today 's world and thinks they won 't turn up on the internet is just plain stupid![/QUOTE]While I agree with your point of view, which is just common sense, technically it's a different issue. It's a matter of privacy, what if the girl takes pictures of you and she upload the files on a public website?

I think it's a both sides privacy matter, again, I'm on the monger's side, and the creation of the private photo gallery only made just a few members to post with a certain frequency, one reason it's double password protected, and today in the internet a normal person has to manage too many different passwords (email, ebay, paypal, argentina private, etc) Another one to remember seems to be too much, or is there another reason I can't see?

Even the private photo gallery is not safe. The power of the snatch can pry most door open in weak minded fools. Sort of like Obi-Wan in Star Wars.

[QUOTE=MCSE]She is getting paid for sex and opening her legs, she is not getting paid for modelling. [/quote] Not true we normally negotiate services and time, so if she agrees to have photos taken it becomes one of the services and part of the deal, and some chicas even negotiate for more money for photos.

[quote]While I agree with your point of view, which is just common sense, technically it's a different issue. It's a matter of privacy, what if the girl takes pictures of you and she upload the files on a public website? [/quote] Two points here, one I have never allowed nude photos to be taken of me while I was being paid for my time. And two I ’m not stupid enough to allow a chica to take nude photos of me. If I were that stupid, I suspect they would show up on the internet, or be used in some kind of blackmail attempt.

[Quote]I think it's a both sides privacy matter, again, I'm on the monger's side, and the creation of the private photo gallery only made just a few members to post with a certain frequency, one reason it's double password protected, and today in the internet a normal person has to manage too many different passwords (email, ebay, paypal, argentina private, etc) Another one to remember seems to be too much, or is there another reason I can't see?[/QUOTE]I was only pointing out why the private photo gallery was created, I was not promoting or defending it. However having chicas confront guys about photos on the forum certainly isn ’t going to encourage the posting of photos. I witnessed a chica confront a guy about this one night at Exedra and it wasn ’t pretty.

Thanks for the responses.

Frankly I was / am not concerned about threats regarding legal action across international borders. She did agree to fotos as part of negotiations and made no stipulations regarding how I use them.

There was absolutely nothing vular or risque regarding those particular fotos. In fact the post was complementary and could have led to more business for her.

Figured if she does not want the compliments posted then F &% K her, simply respected her wishes and remove the fotos / post. Thanks for taking care of that Jackson.

One thing for sure, I won't be hooking up with this be*T & H upon my retunr to Argentina. There is way to many available to deal with any kind of drama.

Yoosin

[QUOTE=Punter 127]I 'm not stupid enough to allow a chica to take nude photos of me. [/QUOTE]Most of the chicas don't have a wide-angle lens anyway.

[QUOTE=Punter 127]Not true we normally negotiate services and time, so if she agrees to have photos taken it becomes one of the services and part of the deal, and some chicas even negotiate for more money for photos. [/QUOTE]Not my aim to start an endless conversation in here, but:

1- Technically you have no proof of her approval unless she signed a document.

2- She charged you more to do private photos, not for publishing the photos over the internet.

[QUOTE=MCSE]1- technically you have no proof of her approval unless she signed a document.

2- she charged you more to do private photos, not for publishing the photos over the www[/QUOTE]That would be her word against yours, and it would be obvious that she had posed for the photos.

[QUOTE=MCSE]While I agree with your point of view, which is just common sense, technically it's a different issue. It's a matter of privacy, what if the girl takes pictures of you and she upload the files on a public website?[/QUOTE] Remember the Private Photo Gallery is not a public website it's [b]"Private"[/b], you yourself said it is [b][i]“double password protected,”[/b][/i] it ’s for members only. She would also have to prove you posted the photos, now you and I both know the security of Private Photo Gallery could be violated, but so could my computer or camera, so anyone could have posted the photos. Also remember this would also probably be an international situation.

Do you think posting photos is on the same underhanded level as luring a chica into a modeling session, with illusions of possible fame and fortune, when your real motivation is not modeling but to have sex with her?

Believe it or not some people think anytime you have sex with a chica under false pretense it constitutes rape.

At least the chicas in these photos knew what they were getting into.

The private photo gallery is a crock. I got access to it last year at El Alamo on the public computer. Someone stayed logged in.

I was just going to check my e-mail and when I sat down it was open to the gallery. Your damn right I browsed.

There is absolutely nothing that is connected to the internet that is "secure". Most barriers are overcome by social engineering, not brute force hacking.

[QUOTE=Gato Hunter]The private photo gallery is a crock. I got access to it last year at El Alamo on the public computer. Someone stayed logged in.

I was just going to check my e-mail and when I sat down it was open to the gallery. Your damn right I browsed.

There is absolutely nothing that is connected to the internet that is "secure". Most barriers are overcome by social engineering, not brute force hacking.[/QUOTE] You're correct, nothing is 100% secure including your computer or camera, they could have been stolen or hacked as well. So a chica really can't prove that the person who took the photos is the person who posted them.

The other point is that even though it can be hacked the private photo gallery is not intended to be public.

You just reminded me of a interesting fact.

This chica got so into taking fotos that she asked me how to set the camera timer and she was running back and forth taking fotos of both of us together as well as many of herself. Maybe 40 in total.

How does it work when she took the fotos herself?

Then again who cares

Yoosin

Many of us would like more information or guidance about how to navigate the vast sex industry in Buenos Aires. Now that I finally settled with my wife's lawyer, I figured it would be nice to spend 4 weeks here and taste it all.

Before coming here, I read many of the posts on this site and the Spanish local foros. I was kind of surprised to see that many participants here, are much more concerned with cost, than with quality. Let face it, for someone who comes from Europe (like me) or The United States, the difference between paying a lady 70 pesos or 400 pesos is only a fraction of what he will pay an average lady in France or USA. However, no matter how much you pay in most other places, it is almost impossible to get the level of service you will get from a many good chicas in Buenos Aires.

There are many, many great working ladies here that are both drop dead gorgeous and provide you with a dream like experience. Buenos Aires has a long history of brothels and it seems as if every man in this city goes to a chica at least once a month, and much more if he can afford it. On the other hand, it is very, very difficult for a single woman (with a child or two) to survive in a system where an average salary is almost equal to the average rental for two bedroom apartment. So there is a constant supply of new chicas, who must take this line of work, in order to survive. Because of this and many other reasons, it is not all that shameful here to get paid for sex and many girls even enjoy the act (from time to time) Therefore many working girls here, are not much different from your secretary (if you got a pretty one) at home, or any nice person you will find in your community. They do not use the money they get from you to buy drugs, they need it for food and if they are smart to save for an apartment. Because if they can ever buy the apartment they, changed the equation and no longer need to work in this line of work. This makes a huge variety of available chicas, the numbers are mind bugling, I read somewhere that there are 250,000 (or more) women that do sex for money in this city.

I will try to share my experienced here and will do it by sections.

The first section "Clubs and Boliches"

This is by far, in my opinion, the least attractive option in Buenos Aires. There are only two clubs and maybe two bars that have any merits. The others are low level, dirty joints with mostly ugly chicas. The two clubs that worth the trip are Black and Madahos, Here you can find some great looking women, that are "dressed to kill". As you walk in, for the first time, you think you are in heaven. The problems? Those you will discover, only after you paid 600 pesos in Madahos and 800-1000 pesos in Black. It should be mentioned that the best independent chicas in Buenos Aires, those who will give you once in a life time experience, only charge 400 pesos.

Here are the problems: There are more women than men in those locations, most of the time. The Chicas get paid only if they find a trick, so they are emotionally geared like a fisherman, to catch. Because most of the men in these clubs, never come back, or when they come back they chose another chica, after the chica catches her fish and get paid, the fish itself, is not all that important. You pay before you leave the club, on the other hand, most (and better) independent chicas do not ask you to pay until your experience is over. Then you go with the lady to the hotel. The first thing you notice: is that she looks much less attractive without her work outfit.

You enter the hotel and she then starts her countdown for returning to the club (unless it is after 3 or 4am) Kissing is rare with those chicas and the BJ is with and rough. In 10 minutes she will try to be on top of you, hopping you will finish and let her go. Each girl is different and I did get one lady, from Paraguay, to stay the full two hours (and then some) and she was great, but she was the exception. I read Spanish and read the local boards, which by the way, can be translated on line. 90% of the comments are, that these clubs are for stupid tourists, company paid accounts and those rich (lazy) that do not know any better.

There is one bar that has no entrance fee and drinks are at reasonable level. It is called New Port at Vincente Lopez and Junin in the borough of Recoleta. Every women here (except the waitress) is working, they vary much in look and quality of the service and the overall cost might be half of Madahos. Of course those chicas working in Madahos are much more pretty.

Poker,

Good post, that pretty much sum's it up.

There's very good value all over Buenos Aires but you must know where and how to find it and then you must know how to approch and negoicate with it.

Moreover, the more you do them, the better the sex becomes over time. Once a Chica becomes comfortable with you her preformance improves.

Exon

Excellent post poker.

You started with section one. What about section two or three?

I also agree - a good post and you show quite a good insight of the situation. Let's have your next sections.

Excellent & informative post Poker, thanks for sharing.

You enter the hotel and she then starts her countdown for returning to the club (unless it is after 3 or 4am) Kissing is rare with those chicas and the BJ is with and rough. In 10 minutes she will try to be on top of you, hopping you will finish and let her go. Each girl is different and I did get one lady, from Paraguay, to stay the full two hours (and then some) and she was great, but she was the exception. I read Spanish and read the local boards, which by the way, can be translated on line. 90% of the comments are, that these clubs are for stupid tourists, company paid accounts and those rich (lazy) that do not know any better.

QUOTING POKER ABOVE:

I totaly agree with you. We have stumbled on other avenues and have been having a great time here. Even have been invited out for free by a couple chicas that provide great service (free that is) No I won't say who yet, shes mine till I'm gone haha. But we went to madahos tonight. After reading the forum had to see the place but ingeneral the clubs are the last place to go. I was with an amazing little 19 year old and she was worth it but it was my one time splurge. The clubs want too much money and well the incall market performs way better.

[QUOTE=Neo5235] I was with an amazing little 19 year old and she was worth it but it was my one time splurge. The clubs want too much money and well the incall market performs way better.[/QUOTE]Just wondering, which 19 year old?

I forgot her name. Has black hair. And is short. Huge tits and their natural but I thought they were fake. Till I was playing with em. I forgot her name. Her parents are from brazil but she was born here. Thats the best I can do. Hope you find her.