American Politics during the Obama Presidency

You'll leave enough to spoil your kid. The tax changes will not change your life in any way. There is an huge revenue short fall. WE all know that you disaggree and hate the president and everything he stands for or dreams of and even hate the lint that is brushed off of his suite. I am sorry that I started this thread--there is no discussion--only sid's hatred and spleen.

JACKSON--PLEASE wipe out the whole thing. Sid has the right to post anything that wants......I just don't want to be part of it.

ps sid thanks for some of the great reataurant suggestions!

Sidney,

Post something about putas instead of your cut and paste spam.

Why do we have to talk about politics here? It seems like its a pissing contest that will never end. The worlds problems won't get fixed here.

[QUOTE=Miami Bob]You'll leave enough to spoil your kid. The tax changes will not change your life in any way. There is an huge revenue short fall. [/QUOTE]There's a huge revenue shortfall because politicians are wasting our money on pork masquerading as stimulus. The tax changes aren't going to increase revenue significantly, compared to the size of the deficits we're running up right now. They're just the Democrats' way of punishing the Republicans' constituencies.

I would venture to say that 2600 of those are copy and paste bullshit spam that has zero relevance to acquiring chicas.

Besides lots of the mongers I have met have patted me on the back for sharing that story of the streetwalker for the entertainment value alone. Not to mention the 10 or so newer mongers this trip alone that I personaly have taken and shown around town.

[QUOTE=Sidney]The Board has many valuable purposes besides 'acquiring chicas'![/QUOTE]I guess the posts about Politics before Obama where every critical item laid out about GWB were all OK.

As Reagan said, "Facts are a stubborn thing". The 12-year lows in the markets are being experienced right now and they are back to the levels during Bubba's presidency. GWB spent like a drunken sailor and deserved to have his ass removed in the exact way the US voters did, but you cannot deny the six or seven years of prosperity and growth under his watch. That "eight-years of failed policies" argument doesn't hold water.

IMHO it is absolutely disingenuous to defend the actions of this administration as anything more than eight years of pent up Democratic rage and class envy.

But Sidney, the best part here is still about acquiring chicas. Your economic and financial insight is a distant second or third.

I really hoped the Sid and others might have a conversation about our new president and what he is attempting to do. No one is going to change anyone else world view here. The strangest thing is that many of the people who have the most divergent points of view are actually friends who enjoy each others' company except when discussing politics.

I guess that truths that our grandparents taught us as kids once again hold true:

Don't talk about politics nor religion.

I like Sid and enjoy his company and would rather have his friendship than continue this line of discussion. Might we aggree to disaggree? Apparently.

Dialog is impossible I don't love everything about the big O and some of what is going on now is shocking to me. I voted for him and would do it again.

His policies look like that they will impact my retirement plans and impact my standard of living in the future. You may disaggree, but I honestly believe that.

Neo-con's would have eventually destroyed the republic.

Our politics in the usa tend to follow a dialectical pattern---discused by hegel and then carl marx--they swing back and forth to either tail of the bell curve. I though that in the big O there might have been a pull towards the middle like we saw with Clinton. I haven't made up my mind about him yet. The left wing of the Democratic party, to my point of view, is excercising too much control. This is unfortuate considering the extremist right wing shift in the Republican party since regan. The middle ground seems to have become lost. W.'s grandfather, Prescot, was a moderate and some thought liberal Republican. Today, Nixon would be considerred a liberal by most Republicans.

Maybe I am full of shit and take whatever I say with a grain of salt. The state of this tread mirrors what is going on in the USA today: anger, closemindedness, hate and an absence of dialog.

Sid--I know you and your personal point of view is generally in that middle ground. Why all of this strong emotion? Your postings don't to seem to belong to the man that I know and respect. Maybe we should just stop these political postings?

PS--Jackson I hate your editing software. It will not permit me to write what I want to write nor edit in the manner I prefer.

On second thought MB,

Maybe we should keep the thread simply for it's entertainment value. The bickering alone is priceless.

As long as we remember it's just the internet and don't take it too seriously, I think we will be fine.

It's when people start going ape shit that things get ugly.

We should start an " ape shit " prevention program and leave well enough alone.

Regards,

BM

[QUOTE=Sidney]But you O lovers are in a state of denial. At this early stage, everything O has done so far is an unmitigated disaster! Get your heads out of the sand and get objective! Believe it or not, ever since October, when it appeared O was going to win, the stock market has been discounting the disaster of O! ''The tape doesn't lie![/QUOTE]I agree with you Sid, but you can't reason with those who are entranced by the hypnotic powers of "the Messiah".

[QUOTE=Miami Bob]PS--Jackson I hate your editing software. It will not permit me to write what I want to write nor edit in the manner I prefer.[/QUOTE][blue]MB,

Here's how to by-pass the text cleanup script: Post some complete gibberish, then edit your post however you wish.

In other words, the text cleanup script is not invoked after editing a post, only after the initial upload.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

Every time the Caramel One opens his mouth the market goes down and so does my 401k.

Moved everything into Cash until we hit the bottom, where ever that is. I thought everything was suppose to turn around once the Caramel One took over.

I don't think you can jump start the market or industry by kicking them in the teeth and then expecting them to react favorably. Looks to me like a "The floggings will cease when moral improves" sort of thing.

Just my 2 cents

[QUOTE=Doppelganger]Every time the Caramel One opens his mouth the market goes down and so does my 401k.

Moved everything into Cash until we hit the bottom, where ever that is. I thought everything was suppose to turn around once the Caramel One took over.

I don't think you can jump start the market or industry by kicking them in the teeth and then expecting them to react favorably. Looks to me like a "The floggings will cease when moral improves" sort of thing.

Just my 2 cents[/QUOTE]Great observation, Senor Doppelganger.

BTW, you look very familiar. Just like someone I know.

From Big Travel Guy here, the self-appointed "moderate", to the right of Miami Bob, to the left of Jackson, well to the left of Sidney, but still willing to join the "cut and paste" style of Sid!

Here are two recent articles that I think are right on. They are long, and thus, not light reading. The first is from the center (which means well to the right of Obama these days, as there isn't much to the left of him. Soundly critiquing Obamanomics, the second is from the left, soundly critiquing those who seem to hold Herbert Hoover-esque politics as a viable alternative to the mess we're in.

(not sure if the format here is that you can just click on these links, or if you'll need to cut and paste the URL's in your browser)

Enjoy.

[url]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/03/president_double_talk.html[/url]


[url]http://www.tnr.com/booksarts/story.html?id=82c53220-7594-4ece-a136-a3b2f54243ec&1[/url]

President O or any other Presidential candidate for that matter does / did not have a snow balls chance in hell of saving the American People from themselves. The greediest people on the planet, which includes myself. However, unlike most draft-dodging BS politicians, the man's heart is in the right place and for sure was not born with a silver spoon up his ass. Unbelievable, He may have virtues. How can he possibly survive this bullshit. For this old fart, he is my man. All these pill poppen Limbaugh MFers can kiss my lily white ass. Go Obama. Freedom of speech, I love it.

Now I feel better, have a good day everyone.

Like I said all during the campaign, the Messiah has no executive experience and no executive management skills, and thus he is not qualified for the job of being the country's CEO.

The man has never managed so much as a hot dog stand, for Christ's sake.

His lack of managerial experience is beginning to show all over the place and in a plethora of smaller mistakes besides the two that are documented in the Morris piece. However, Obama worshipers may rest assured that the liberal media may be counted on to continue to gloss over these future management blunders.

Stay tuned, there's certainly more to come.

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Damman]President O or any other Presidential candidate for that matter does / did not have a snow balls chance in hell of saving the American People from themselves. The greediest people on the planet, which includes myself. However, unlike most draft-dodging BS politicians, the man's heart is in the right place and for sure was not born with a silver spoon up his ass. Unbelievable, He may have virtues. How can he possibly survive this bullshit. For this old fart, he is my man. All these pill poppen Limbaugh MFers can kiss my lily white ass. Go Obama. Freedom of speech, I love it.

Now I feel better, have a good day everyone.[/QUOTE]I love freedom of speech, too. Congatulations on exercising your right to express it.

Since my family and I have actually defended your right to have this freedom, please allow me to retort.

I'm glad Obama's heart is in the right place. So is mine, I just feel he is wrong on almost every count and he has demonstrated that every value I was raised with concerning self reliance, hard work, dedication, patriotism, nationalism and accountability is not held in high esteem by your man.

I have never popped a pill, as you labeled people who aren't of the same political ilk as you. But, I have had sex with several Mothers so I guess the MFer tag sticks.

Limbaugh is an entertainer, that's it. Your party elected and ran Al Franken so who's lacking credibility? Obama wants to spend more time targeting Limbaugh's comments than worrying about the task at hand. More smoke and mirrors; Limbaugh only wants Obama to fail in his evident intent to pay for social programs, that have failed repeatedly, at the expense of earners who drive the economy. If that makes me a "pill poppen (Popping) Limbaugh MFer", then I guess your assessment is correct.

The country I live in is great. The people that I associate with are good, honest people that will bring us out of the crisis facing us and we will be fine.

I'm going to take a pass on kissing your lily white ass at this time. You described yourself as an "Old Fart". I'm sure you and the AARP gang will enjoy greatly from the burden that will be put upon the next generations while you bask in the benefits derived from others. The freedom to speak your mind works both ways.

Since I have that right, Obama does have a silver spoon. It's just that it was a spoon paid by others taxes that got him educated, paid for his law degrees and funded every single "job" as a "Communiy Organizer" that he has held.

Thinking about it now, your comment " President O or any other Presidential candidate for that matter does / did not have a snow balls chance in hell of saving the American People from themselves" may be correct.

"Since my family and I have actually defended your right to have this freedom."

Perhaps I have misunderstood, but according to my DD-214, two bronze stars and think there is a Purple Heart in there somewhere, earned my right to freedom of speech. I do not want this to take on a personal note, but it did hit a nerve.

[QUOTE=Damman]President O or any other Presidential candidate for that matter does / did not have a snow balls chance in hell of saving the American People from themselves. The greediest people on the planet, which includes myself. [/QUOTE]Huh?

There's just too much misinformation in that post to correct at one time, so I'll just start with the notion that Americans are the "greediest people on the planet."

Now, self-criticism is fine when it's deserved. But on this point, nothing could be further from the truth.

Americans are easily the most giving people on the planet. There's no two ways about it: See [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_charitable_countries[/url] and [url]http://www.nowpublic.com/world/americans-are-most-generous-people-planet[/url] and [url]http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-06-25-charitable_N.htm[/url]

This may change if Obama's plan to limit charitable deductions goes through. But, I doubt it will go through.

Americans may have a lot of other despicable qualities. Greed, however, is not one of them. If measured by how much we give to charities, less fortunate people and developing countries, Americans are the least greedy people.

[QUOTE=Stan Da Man]Americans may have a lot of other despicable qualities. Greed, however, is not one of them. If measured by how much we give to charities, less fortunate people and developing countries, Americans are the least greedy people.[/QUOTE]Not to complicate the issue, but it is conceivable that there are a helluvalot of greedy folks in the USA and also a helluvalot of very giving, unselfish folks.

Now that sounds more like it.

Regards,

BM.[QUOTE=Doggboy]there are a helluvalot of greedy folks in the USA and also a helluvalot of very giving, unselfish folks.[/QUOTE]

May I apologize for painting all Americans with such a wide brush: Greed. My belief is that we have a cultural problem, shop until you drop mentality. Not until we hit bottom is anything going to change. And to get back to Obama, he is my guy. I just find it refreshing to have a down to Earth person in the White House and attempting to put his best foot forward. My feelings. Not him or anyone else can stop this train wreck.

Ever wish you had not said anything?

[QUOTE=Damman]May I apologize for painting all Americans with such a wide brush: Greed. My belief is that we have a cultural problem, shop until you drop mentality. Not until we hit bottom is anything going to change. And to get back to Obama, he is my guy. I just find it refreshing to have a down to Earth person in the White House and attempting to put his best foot forward. My feelings. Not him or anyone else can stop this train wreck.

Ever wish you had not said anything?[/QUOTE]Ha ha. I feel your pain. But yes, the shop til you drop mentality probably hits it closer.

Speaking of greedy cocksuckers, I heard a rumor a few weeks ago that some of the AIG execs were dropping into BsAs this coming week and staying at the Alvear hotel. This rumor came from a friend who is usually in the know, but I have not been able to confirm the arrival of said greedy cocksuckers. They might be throwing some of that bailout bonus money at the hookers in Madahos and Black.

[QUOTE=Damman]according to my DD-214, two bronze stars and think there is a Purple Heart in there somewhere[/QUOTE]All I have to say

[QUOTE=Damman]May I apologize for painting all Americans with such a wide brush: Greed. My belief is that we have a cultural problem, shop until you drop mentality. Not until we hit bottom is anything going to change. And to get back to Obama, he is my guy. I just find it refreshing to have a down to Earth person in the White House and attempting to put his best foot forward. My feelings. Not him or anyone else can stop this train wreck. [/QUOTE]OK Damman. Sorry if I took your point too literally. I can agree that we have a culture too dependent on consumer spending. Can't agree on the "hitting bottom" stuff, but that's quibbling.

I've never voted Democrat for president but would have voted for Obama if I had voted. I disagree with much of what he is doing right now, but not everything, and I'm not going to pass judgment until he's had a fair chance. Two month, IMO, is not enough time, especially given the hand he was dealt.

That said, I don't think the situation is anywhere near as dire as Obama or the media portray it. I keep hearing the comparisons to the Great Depression but not from anyone who actually lived through that time period, such as my folks. This is a blip by comparison. It may be a bigger blip than the last recession, but it's still a blip.

A few of my law school classmates worked with Obama at one of the law firm's where he cut his teeth as a summer associate. They didn't like him and would not agree that he's a down to earth type of guy (they said he is completely full of himself, and this was nearly two years before he got elected president) But, they would agree that he is a smart guy.

This week, I think Obama may finally be figuring out what he's been doing wrong since taking office: If you act like everything's falling apart, then it will. Reagan understood that; I think Obama's finally figuring it out.

I always enjoy the banter in this thread. Cheers!

[QUOTE=Damman]Perhaps I have misunderstood, but according to my DD-214, two bronze stars and think there is a Purple Heart in there somewhere, earned my right to freedom of speech. I do not want this to take on a personal note, but it did hit a nerve.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your service to our country.

Painting my personal beliefs with a wide brush hits a nerve with me, as well.