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JC,
I took the bus to MDP this time just for the experience - was not bad at all (though 5 hours is a little long). The buses are very comfortable and the cost one way is around 40 pesos. It is usually a double decker bus and if you sit on the top front, you can take in the pampas in all its glory !
Please allow me to set the record straight about travel from BA to MDP.
Please, please, please follow my advice and NEVER take the train. The service is awful and extremely unreliable. The cars are not air conditioned, they are filthy and the trip is rarely 5 hours but closer to 7...The train will make interminable hour long stops in the middle of the pampas. And you will gaze furiously out the window at cows whilst giant flies buzz about your head. I am not exagerating when I say that the trip will remind you of what it must have felt like to be aboard the very first trains a hundred and thirty years ago.
In a word, the train to MDP sucks balls.
If you wanna see the pampas (which couldn't be any less scenic or tedious after 45 seconds you've seen enough of the pampas you over for life) Yes, I have taken the Bus a few times. Its comfortable and modern, but boring as hell.
Best bet is to fly. takes no more than 45 minutes. Sexy flight attendents serve you a coke and then you land.
15 minutes later you'll be checking into your hotel (the MDP airport is smaller than the Long Beach, CA airport).
Think of this way--5 hours in transit is a couple of sessions with a chica.
Life is too short to spend on the pampas.
Thanks for the info about the train, Larry. I resolve never to take the train to MDP.
OTOH, if I were you I wouldn't paint with such a broad brush when condemning the bus. Maddur obviously enjoyed his trip, and others, such as myself, might be interested in seeing what Argentina looks like outside the bright lights and big city.
It's like a lot of things in this hobby - YMMV.
-Uncle Otto
P.S. And man, I really disagree with you about Russkie chicks. Some of my best sex ever has been with Russkie ex-girlfriends.
Well, I've been on some very slow trains in my life. When the train was still running in Costa Rica in the late 80's, I went out to the Atlantic coast. I think it took about 4 hours to go 80 miles or so. Wasn't too bad, as long as you're not in a hurry. Plus there are usually food/drink vendors who hop on or off.
I think I might take the bus, just to say I've actually SEEN some of Argentina. I've taken the bus two times this year from San Jose, CR to Managua, Nicaragua. Nice bus, and other than going over the border, pretty enjoyable. About 10 hours each way, so 5 hours doesn't sound so bad.
Hey guys, I will be in BsAs for my first time in Sept. for about nine days. Should I take a side trip to MDP or with only that amount of time just stay in BsAs. Thanks for any feedback!
Otto--
You are right. YMMV on the bus thing. Perhaps its worth doing once--to get out of your system.
Regarding the Rushkies--they have become (generally speaking) the most mercenary lot in all of mongering. The Russian girls in Moscow are 1000% colder than the girls in Blacks (BA).
Jaimito--trust me--the damn train is squalid. You will feel like hell after disembarking. The only reason to suffer on the train is that its cheaper than shit. First Class last March was only 25 pesos. But then to me, First Class was like a box car with old seats riveted to the floor. DEPLORABLE.
Doc Bill--
Depends on the kinda man you are. If you are in Argentina solely for the mongering seen. And you only have 9 days. Probably you should hunker down in Recoleta and screw to your hearts content.
But if you are also a tourist--I highly recommed flying down for two nights. Stay at either the Sheraton Hotel or my favorite Apartment Hotel The Manantiales. (Spectacular view, terraced one bedroom apartments).
Monger at the one spot--Madajos.
Enjoy the wonderful commercial section of MDP.
Scroll way back and read my effusive posts from last year.
My opinion has not changed. Love MDP, love the people, the cabbies, the hotel clerks, and most of all the chicas.
PS. the beach and the thunderstorms are terrifyingly awesome and beautiful. Many an evening, I've brought a young and lovely girl or two back to my perch atop the Manantiales and watched the sun rise.
Very differnt vibe that BA.
Enjoy all!
Larry,
If you're stuck in Moscow now, it sounds like you need to stop being a monger and start being a normal Russkie fellow. Get yourself two or three Russkie girlfriends. You will not lack for hot quality sex, thats for sure. And better to have two or three, because that way you'll see them only so often, and not every day, so their unpleasant out-of-bed traits will not be around to bother you as much. And when it comes down to it, they don't mind if they're not the only one - as a group they're much more interested in being taken care of by a strong man than they are interested in being the only woman. I know this from personal experience! ;)
-Uncle Otto
Doc Bill,
If it's your first trip, I would recommend not leaving the area around Buenos Aires. There is plenty to do that will fill those days completely. If you're looking for different experiences, try these three:
1) A day in the river delta by Tigre.
2) A day at the San Isidro horse track, going first class of course.
3) A night or two at a estancia (ranch) outside of town.
Mayra or Roxana should be able to point you in the right direction of these things. If you find a nice girl, you doubtless will be able to convince her to go with you on these outings for minimal or no cost.
-Uncle Otto
PS: And please don't be like 90% of guys here and simply disappear without a word when your trip is over. Tell us about what you did and what you saw.
Thanks Uncle & others! I've been in touch with Mayra and she seems very helpful. I understand Roxanna is just for help with the girls, but since I speak Spanish I don't know why I would need her.
And Uncle, don't worry, I will be writing in lurid detail on this board about my trip (and the Brazil board since I will be there as well). I am so grateful for all the good advice I've gotten here, and I'm a strong believer in giving back what has been freely given me.
I'll be in BsAs Sept. 17-26, in case anyone else will be there and wants to hook up.
Thanks again, all!
When does MDP start to get busy? Would November be a good time to enjoy it?
Besides the working girls, are there also good hunting grounds for non-pros or semi-pros? Is the nightlife (discos, bars, etc) in the non-pro world limited to the weekends or are weekdays fine too?
Thanks in advance,
Gladiator--
November can be nice in MDP. December January are warmer and is the prime time for middle class argentinos to hit MDP for summer vacation (can get very crowded!)
Re: non-pros, that's a tough call and depends entirely on your own seducer skills in the non-pro arena.
I've had great luck. Met a very sexy non-pro in a gym, and have never given her a nickle. (Although, have been generous with dinners, drinks, occasional gifts. But our relationship is similar to the normal kind of relationship you would have with an American woman).
Otherwise, to be honest, its not incredibly easy to score non-pros in MDP--the same way its easy to score non-pros in a place like Santo Domingo where it seems that every girl is potentially available. Regular hotties will not go out of their way to wink at you in the street. And if you expecting that--then you will be extremely disappointed by MDP.
RE: Clubs... There are lots of clubs/lounges and bars in the same area as the best pro bar in the area (Madajos). You will find some incredible, hot young things in those places. But, at my age (mid 40s) I am shit out of luck. And to be fair to myself, the hotties in those clubs are not thirld world mothers, but college coeds from upper middle class families looking to find boyfriends from similar backgrounds. So many of these argentina chicas have tremendous class and elan. I've seen blondies that strike me as more beautiful than German ice-goddesses. (And you will never see them selling their asses in Madajos or in the newspaper ads).
Be that as it may, if you can operate a ilttle, MDP can be a real blast. People are so nice. The city is so relaxed and beatifully run-down. It feels a little like stepping back into the 1950s.
I love MDP so much, I am renting an apartment there from December 18th-January 14th.
I will try to update the forum with links, info, etc.
(still very surprising to me, that more mongers don't chance a trip down for a weekend)
Happy trails--
Hello,
Is there any recent update about the points of interest in Mar del Plata? Not many postings in this group... guess everybody is busy :)
If anybody wants to join forces this weekend, let me know!
LA Larry,
I will be arriving on Monday for 2 nights to check out MDP for a future extended visit. Any recommendations (Restaurants, Chica Clubs etc) would be appreciated. I have a pass for Madahos, but that is all I am familiar with.
MM
Here is a short report about Mar del Plata.
Madahos (newly renovated) is a place to go, and with a choice of chicas there, I don't see a reason to go anywhere elase. That place is steaming hot with probably 100 ladies in a small space. Ratio f/m is at least 2/1 which is of course grate for m. The girls are very friendly, not pushy at all and perhaps even more pleasant than in BsAs. Asking rate is $150 hour, which appears not to be really negotiable, at least before 3am. However, $200 for two hours or $250-300 TLN is easy to negotiate. There is a 1-2 drink penalty as usual.
There are many very good looking girls there. I have spend some time with two of them, Mariela and Karen. The latter in particular is strongly recommended - dark hottie from Dom. Rep. - beautiful face and nice body. Very friendly. Got nice dfk, bbbj, sex from both, bbbjtc from Mariela (slightly overweight brunette with nice face and long hair). To avoid problems you may want to discuss oral or other issues before, not during.
On a down side, most of the chicas there speak very little english, and even if they do they tried to avoid it. Good for my castellano though.
Hotel, - I stayed in Madahos booked through Mayra at argentinago. I didni't have time to look for anything myself, although Madahos was a bit steep at the rate of about U$S 100 per day. Beautiful full sea view from 28th floor though!
I have been here for 4 hrs so far and hereīs the scoop: I had reservations at the Primacy in town and I was disappointed even though the rate was good, so into a cab and off to the Sheraton for better arrangements at steeper prices. The Sheraton doorman tells us (my wingman Stormy is still with me) that Madaho has been closed for 15 days for renovation and hasnīt reopened yet (shock). A quick stroll by for verification and I did see somone working on the place. Now what? I can assure you I will reconfirm tonight and if Madaho is still closed I will be searching for an alternative somewhere. or I will be walking back to BA ahead of schedule.
The Sheraton seems to be the right place and in a nice area. I had my hotel manager in BA make the initial booking which turned out to be a mistake, but no problem making the switch.
Wish us luck tonight,
MM
Mickey--
That sucks about Madahos being closed.
Don't be shy about asking the concierge about Chica Bars. I also would explain my predicament to cab drivers. Apparently there is another decent place about ten minutes cab ride from the center of the city (I have never been, because Mad. always served my purposes well). Also on my trip last month, I was with my non-pro. And she sapped my vital essence everyday and night. Draining me of the desire to monger.
Be wary of the chica bars in downtown MDP. (The one with the neon Martini glass is notorius for old hags--truly scarey dames in the 50s; some even pushing 60)
I've had great luck calling ads in the newspapers. Look specifically for ads that say Lolita and then be demostrative about wanting a chica who is "muy joven". Otherwise they'll dispatch a 40 something woman.
But as I say, if you persist by asking cab drivers they know everything! And are not shy about telling you.
In my rudimentary Spanish I would say to them, "Senor, Yo quiero ir una 'club' como Madahos con muchas mujeres bonitas. Sabe donde?"
Pose this question to three cab drivers and I'm sure you'll strike gold. THE GIRLS FROM MADAHOS HAVE TO BE WORKING SOMEWHERE.
best of luck!
Keep us posted Mickey
Seems strange that Madaho's would be closed now. This should be the absolute peak season for tourists in Mar Del Plata.
Go figure.
DfB
From Mar del Plata
Contrary to rumor, Madahos was up and running in the evening with about 50 chicas who seemed a little heavier and rather more friendly and outgoing than the ones in BA. The Mouse was working the crowd like a politician the week before elections. Madahos is right next to the Sheraton so it is just a step or two away to carnal bliss. I took home one Patricia for a short session. She was just fine and after asked me if I was going back to Madahos; I guess if you are young and strong you can keep going back and forth all night. The hotel is chica friendly and had quite a few rooms available.
Stormy
Stormy,
Can you provide more details on Madahos? It seemed like there is mixed review about the girls in this place. If you read what Carpediem and LA Larry wrote about this place you can see what I meant. Ofcourse, no disrespect to any of them. Is there a minimum drink requirement? What is the men/women ratio? The cost of the Chicas? Best time to go to this place? My spanish is not very fluent, would that be a problem in Madahos. Thanks.
Thai Diesel
TD,
I can't answer all your questions, but I can tell you that if you've never visited Argentina before, and you're planning a mongering trip of a week's time or so, you probably are much better off sticking to Buenos Aires. There's just so much to see and do in this city of 8 million people that going to MDP is probably a waste.
The mongering scene is much better in BsAs than in MDP, which is more like a seasonal resort town.
As for Spanish, try to brush up as best you can; however, many friends who have visited BsAs with me spoke virtually no Spanish and still had a blast. Just because you can't negotiate in the local lingo, expect to pay a bit more for poon. However, prices are so relatively low that even paying too much is pretty darn inexpensive by U.S. and European standards
-Uncle Otto
Thai Diesel,
There is no conflict in the previous reports, aside from the question of the general appearance of the ladies which is of course question of taste.
I was there Friday/Saturday so of course there were more women. They don't charge you cover immediately, but you're required to have at least one drink apparently, although nobody was checking that in my case (or I didn't notice it).
Place opens at 11pm, it's rather quiet before 12am or so.
Some girls would speak a bit of English, but not many and not much. However, they
will understand the basic vocabulary without problems.
See previous report re the cost.
Have fun!
MDP update:
Otto speaks the truth concerning a mongering trip, BA is # 1 and if your soul purpose to come to MDP is for the girls, stay in BA.
Madaho (MDP) is about 1/3 or 1/4 the size of Madaho BA. We got there about midnight & there were about 50 girls (mostly semi-pros I think) waitng for us when we entered (no other men were there), about 60% were Not BA Quality. The girls were; however, very friendly (much more so than BA) and loved to come up to you to talk. More than 1/2 the girls were married with child(ren) and "I think" on vacation with the family trying to make some extra cash. Another large percentage were young (20) and also on vacation with the family having some fun making some cash and doing some exploring. And the rest were from MDP making a living. This is my assessment after talking to about 20 (more than 12 of them with wedding rings) of them after a little side bet with Stormy. BTW. I did try to see if there might be a mother/daughter combo working and had No luck, but the possibilty wouldnīt surprise me down the road.
Access to Madaho was free even though I had a card from BA. I think they charge you a fee when you leave if you donīt spend anything while there, but I had no problem with that. Prices for the girls are 150p for 1 hr (& 1 drink), but I got mine for 250p for TLN (until 11:30am) and 2 drinks purchased.
We will see what new adventure tonight brings, maybe that tall voluptuous cuban I should have grabbed when I had the chance or maybe that mother/daughter combo Iīm thinking about. Whatever it is, I will be able to return the sweater that was left in my room this morning.
Until next time,
MM
Thanks for the update. :)
News flash!
Stormy stays up one hour later than Mickey Mouse! Madahos seemed much more low energy last night than the first night. There were more customers and the same chicas as yesterday.
Everybody seems to be on vacation from somewhere, be it from Buenos Aires or even far to the north. Brought a tall Turkish or Arab chica
back named Gloria. She works out of an apartment in BA. She was high energy and we went out for short time (hour and a half) for 150 plus drink. After one go, she was willing to drink beer and do another round but I could not stay awake and she left pretty rapidly.
The whole issue with MDP is that if it is a low energy situation or you don't see anyone you like there really is no where else to go without special local knowledge. In BA you could head off to Catto or to Madahos or where ever in a moment.
The Sheraton is the best hotel and is out of the city center which is probably the best thing. MDP is quite large and the city streets are packed with people. It is not interesting The beaches are a nightmare of hundreds and hundreds of cabaņas rented for day use and packed with people.
We ate at two very decent restaurant/pubs. Pehuen is a meat place quite close to the Sheraton and Pontenedra is a sea food place about a 10 minute taxi ride away. Service was excellent and both were quite inexpensive by BA standards.
There was no hot water in the Sheraton yesterday night so we were unable to clean up properly after an afternoon by the pool.
As a result we had to pay for sex that night! The pool is nice, the rooms have a beautiful view and the air conditioning works.
The breakfasts are so bad that the same food in my Navy days would have caused a mutiny. Reception services seemed to be very good.
It has been a fun change of pace experience, but I probably would not repeat unless I brought my own talent with me on a visit of a few days.
Stormy
Uncle Otto, MM, Stormy
Thank you for all of the great advices. I'm planning a trip to BA in early February. It will be my first trip ever as a monger and to BA. I was reading the BA's forum and was following MM and Stormy adventure that's how I ended up in MDP's forum. I will stick to BA for couple of times before venture to other cities. You can PM me for any additional advices regarding BA's Chicas, hotels or clubs. Thanks again to everyone.
MM, Stormy
Great infos on MDP and BA. Your adventures are well documented and very helpful especially for new monger like myself. Please keep us posted and good luck to MM for a mother/daughter combo.
Thai Diesel
Word to the wise:
You should know that The Sheraton charges 30p for each & every visitor.
Summary to follow,
MM
Amigos,
Thank you for reporting from all the way down there!
Question: About the girls at Madaho's MDP.
Are the girls as sophisticate and good in bed as SOME are
in Buenos Aires or are they more "simple" overall?
DWC
Carpediem,
Thanks for the info. I'll take advices from Uncle Otto, MM and stay in BA. As I have mentioned previously this will be my first trip ever as a monger and in BA.
I'm planning on going to BA in early February. Once I have all of the traveling info. I'll post it in BA's forum. Hopefully, I'll be able to meet some of you mongers in BA.
Thanks again to you, Uncle Otto, MM and Stormy.
Thai Diesel
Dances with Chicas--
Let's be perfectly clear here about the MDP Madajos chicas--they are every bit as "sophisticated" and slutty as any of the girls in BA. (Loads of them are from Brazil, Pargauy, etc--just like the clubs in BA).
Say there are 30-40 girls that work in MDP Madajos--at least 8 of these girls are truly hotties--comparable to the best that BA has to offer.
The problem with MDP is that it is a smaller pond than BA--so if you hit a bad night in Madajos--you can't hop in a cab and hit several other clubs until you strike gold.
MDP is great for an excursion.
I've had full blown GFE with the some of the girls from Madajos. I've had average sessions. And poor sessions. Just like I've had in BA.
The prices are cheaper--especially out of season. Say in March.
And Lastly--
the girls are much more relaxed than BA--if you are a cool person, they often chill the entire night with you for 150 pesos (i always round up to $200 pesos).
In BA, my experience is that the chicas are runners---they want to get back to the club. This can happen in MDP, but less frequently.
Happy trails....
My Summary:
I completely agree with Larry. I had 2 wonderful GFE, TLN sessions and she was ready to go home at noon and get her bikini so she could spend the day with me if I had wanted.
The restaurants (see Stormyīs review) are just as good, more relaxed and 25 to 30% cheaper than BA.
The Sheraton is the place to stay, but it isnīt cheap and they do charge 30p for a guest. They do have 2 pools (1 in and 1 out) and full facilities, but I will be damned why 1. the room safe can only be operated by the room key (so everyone in the room has access to the safe) and 2. there are 2 separate elevator call buttons for 3 elevators; 1 for 1 elevator and the other button for 2? So on your way down your stopping at every other floor and not picking anyone up. BTW, the breakfast at the Sheraton sucks!
I donīt know what the off season is like, but I can imagine things donīt change much except the number of people is much less so the prices must be cheaper like the summer resorts in the US.
To sum it all up: BA is the place for mongering, but if I wanted to escape for a couple days to a nice place for a day or 2 of relaxation, sun and maybe bring a nice chica that I like, Mar de Plata would be a great choice.
Only 2 days left in BA; and OH, what to do?
MM
[quote]Originally posted by Mickey Mouse
Only 2 days left in BA; and OH, what to do?
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How about doing what I've been known to do, extending your visit? As I'll be in BsAs starting on Monday, we can compare notes and you can drill a few more trixies! ;)
-Uncle Otto
Re: Hotels in Mar del Plata:
It appears that people are not very happy with Sheraton, so I'll outline my experience.
I stayed in Torres Manatiales (contrary to my own report that claimed that I stayed in Madahos :)) and that was pretty good experience. Nice big 1-bedrooms. Nice view. Good elevators. Very chica friendly - to the degree that they behave as if they donīt see you when you walk back with your visitor. For those who like TLN, there is a hotel safe which is free.
Breakfast is, well, ok.
Hotel is however probably not much cheaper than Sheraton. On the other hand, itīs just 3 minutes by cab.
For future purposes, I would be glad to hear about other hotels in MdP.
Ciao All Guys,
2 weeks without any reports?
What's happened? I am reading every reports about MDP, because I want to go there for the first time, so I have some questions. Whom I can write?
I write here in forum or as private message?
Thank you all in advance,
Alot of greetings from cold:O( Verona,
Luca
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Private apartment in MDP (appeared in the local board):
Location: Chacabuco 3815
Phone: 495-0777
Prices: ar$40 (20 min) ar$50 (30 min) ar$90 (1 hr) ar$120 (1 hr - jacuzzi room)
3 girls reported, 2 very recommendable.
Hope this helps,
Andres
Whoever goes to Madaho's, remember to get BRAZILIAN chicas. They would go for BBBJ, and they really get wet. Remember Brazlian chicas!
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Guys,
Nobody is in Mar de la Plata? I will be here, and I heard it's a good place, but only a few report. Why?
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I'm going to be in Argentina in early October. Is that a good time to go to MDP? Thanks!
Doc Bill:
October is one of the best months for enjoying the beach and the warm weather, but it isn't vacation time. However, you should find a good selection of ladies.
Hope this helps,
Andres
Yes, thanks Andres! Which do you think is better, Mar del Plata or Puntas del Este (sp?) in Uraguay. If I can't do both, which one should I do?