American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[QUOTE=Rock Harders]People who claim that Obama is out to destroy the United States and enslave its citizens are foolish and not to be taken seriously.[/QUOTE]RH, I agree.

I absolutely despise the way that Obama is approaching getting us out of trouble.

But it's a difference of two basic memes (or paradigms) competing as genes compete evolutionally (evolutionarily? "The other side" (whichever side one happens to be on) should not be seen as someone who is truly trying to destroy the country, as if they were an enemy. Both sides truly believe what they are spouting. I think both sides want what they see as best for the country and it isn't ruin or enslavement.

One may think that another's view is going to lead to destruction and enslavement. In fact, it may, but I heavily doubt that there are many in our political world who are "Dr. Evil" and want to take over the country, that would provide that result on purpose. Not that there aren't any, but I don't see Obama or Bush as being a Dr Evil. Human, wrong-sighted, etc. But I think both honestly want (ed) to do what's right as they see it.

He didn't go to Evil Medical School, he went to Evil Law School.

[QUOTE=El Queso]But I think both honestly want (ed) to do what's right as they see it.[/QUOTE]I know you may think that I am extreme, however, I believe that he believes that he is doing right by 'restoring' what he believes should be the proper balance of American society by breaking down the system that has allowed the 'Haves' steal the national bounty from the 'Have-nots.' This 'restoration' necessitates the destruction that he is wreaking upon the nation. To make all the people equal, he must make them all wards of the state which will ensure the perpetuation of the Statists position in the government.

The truth, of what his tax and spend policies is and will do, is that they will bankrupt the nation, lower our standard of life and reduce our stature in the world.

Please, anyone, tell me how anyone could believe that 1) these deficits are no big deal, 2) how the government will do a better job running health care than private industry, 3) the existing health care coverage of 280 million people (private and government) should be thrown out the window for approximately 10 million people that can't get coverage, 10 million that chose not to buy coverage and 20 million illegal immigrants, or 4) that historic deficit spending on political pet projects will solve our economic woes.

Like I said, Chairman MaObama is not stupid. He knows the likely impact of his policies and he desires those outcomes. What do you call that?

Chairman MaObama has solved everything!

All I have to do is move to San Fran and find a way to live on $4-6K spreading propaganda.

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This is a great use of our tax payer dollars. Give brain-dead losers $11-16/ hour to be the 'New' grass roots (now should be called greenroots) What a great concept, when people don't believe in what you are doing, pay them to do propagandize the public. What a great way to abuse the office (congress has done this for a long time) to destroy something that throughout American history has done by people moved to action by their beliefs.

Investment bankers and traders are partially responsible for a missing trillion dollars and the desperate situation that we all share. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Sid--how many tens of millions of dollars did you make during the time when the government was controlled by your boys and there was no regulation. Every day I read the same old shit. At least say something original--Wally and Sid are repeating themselves.

Yes Sid you have the right to repeat yourself 100,000 times on the website and I also have the right to say you are boring. Now call me a communist. Per your standards Nixon was a communist--medicare was Nixon's baby. Sid if you really want to sincerely protest: send back your social security checks and don't use medicare--Show us that you really are against socialism. Don't fool around complaining about over paying a taxi driver by 40cents us--Be a man and send back those socialist social security checks. OR MAYBE BE GENEROUS AND HELP RUGGERO AT BARTS WHO IS DOWN TO STEALING A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS BASED ON THE FINANCIAL CRISIS.

Walley, your posts are more creative and aren't boring, but the theme is becoming repetitious. Please keep the outrageous hyperbole coming--it is at least entertaining! By way of a second thought, I souldn't be grouping you with sid at all, sorry.

Anyone who disaggrees with me is a communist or socialist; therefore Sid as a communist, you can keep your social security check or use it too keep 3 dominicanas in the Dominican Republic as long as as they blow you a minimum of twice per year--we don't believe is welfare--they got to work for 1/3 of the communist inspired social security check.

Walley has his own trickle-down economics plan--he redistributes wealth based upon how much of his leche trickles down their throats---A large percentage of the argentine hooker community will suffer if the bush tax cuts end and the wally trickle-down plan ends or is cut back.

I can't try to be rational like rock dealing with boring sid and his rants about overpaying 40 cents for a taxi ride. I do appreciate wally's brand of insanity even if my personal insanity slightly differs because wally get's extra points because he is funny and entertaining and only rants about problems involving billlions of dollars.

Not--sid you are such a bright and creative man--please stop being so boring. On this part of this website.

Ps I'm in BA in a few weeks and want to visit both sid and wally who are great guys when we don't talk about politics---your hopefully non-political while in ba friend.

MB

No need to get riled up fellas.

No one takes whats written on this board seriously. At least as far as anything non sex or Argentina lifestyle related.

That's just a simple fact. This thread is nothing but a rant thread for the right wingers. Let them have it. It's all they got left.

I Lol every time I hear Sid say Obama wants to destroy the US. He's a smart enough guy that he doesn't really believe that. But being sensational sells and he knows it. Only problem is, no one on this board is buying it, well except a few tards, but who really cares what they think?

Lets all take a deep breath.

Regards,

BM.

Sid--I enjoy your company and in person conversation--clean-up your act. It is a high quality act and you are better than this. MB.

Ps if sid is auditioning for a job on conservative talk radio is the usa because of recent trading losses, I take back everything--Everyone needs to make a living. I see Rush as an entertainer. Sid just follws walley's example and be more entertaining.

The last few post are typical attack the messenger tactics of the left. If you can’t defend your guys’ actions, attack the messenger.

If you don’t like what’s posted on this thread I don’t think you’re required to read it.

And if you don’t like what Sid post you have the option of putting him on your ignore list.

[QUOTE]I Lol every time I hear Sid say Obama wants to destroy the US. He's a smart enough guy that he doesn't really believe that. But being sensational sells and he knows it. Only problem is, no one on this board is buying it, well except a few tards, but who really cares what they think?[/QUOTE]I also don’t think we need personal insults and name calling. (of members)

If you want to debate then debate, but leave the moderating to Jackson.

Bob:

I wouldn't send my kid to an MBA program that doesn't include hardcore finance classes as part of its core curriculum.

I know you directed the radio host comment to Sid because you know I yearn for higher office, like governor of SC.

One man's monotony is another man's consistency.

I hope to see you in a few weeks.

[QUOTE=Sidney]As an example, when I resigned from my GM division, 12,000 were employed. At the nearby C plant, 6,000 were employed. As of early 2009, 2/3 of the employees were eliminated. And under O, they will decline much more! This senario is being repeated all over America. Buy that!----------------- Sensational Tard Sid-----------------[/QUOTE]I don't really want to stir the pot on this, but: When has it been the government's "responsibility" to prop up failing businesses?

Now, I realize that we have started to do this with the too-big-to-fail bailouts initiated by Bush and continued under Obama. I also think there's a good argument that some of this may have been necessary.

But, it should be the rare exception and not the rule. The preferred position should be no government intervention unless absolutely necessary, and even then it should be criticized and frowned upon.

We've proven for 30 years that we suck at making cars. I wish it weren't true, but anyone who has owned a Toyota or Honda vs. A Ford or Chevy can tell you this -- at least if they don't have a hidden agenda. So, let the Japanese and Chinese make cars. We're good at a lot of other things that they're not good at. Our child molesting singers make better music than their artists -- at least most folks seem to think so.

There will be pain in this whole business failure process. Let's get on with it. If the alternative is to have government propping up everything -- or propping up those with the most political influence -- then I say let them fail.

[QUOTE=Sidney]The Privado needs business or they will go out of business and all suffer. The AR government prefers all be working, not on welfare. They pay the Privado 50 pesos, you pay 100 pesos. All are employed, and you are happy! In the long run, the government is better off. OR the government could disparage, etc all Privados and put them out of business. Then you would need to visit other countries.[/QUOTE]Thanks, Sid, but I personally don't believe in such a system. The suggestion is that, if the government doesn't step in (or if it "disparages") then everyone becomes unemployed permanently.

Instead, I believe that people will eventually find a way to be gainfully employed as long as the government doesn't stand in their way -- e. G. By giving them handouts that create an incentive to stay unemployed. But, I'll go with your metaphor. This, in my opinion, is the true example of the privados: The government doesn't provide a sufficient handout to let everyone lay around on their duffs doing nothing. So, the pretty girls who can, do. And, since the government hasn't made their occupation illegal, they are able to earn a decent living.

Indeed, I think if you talked to the privado owners and to some of the girls, you'd find that the situation is just the opposite than in your example: Every once in a while a government inspector, licensing official, police officer or fire marshall sticks their hand out and expects the privado owners (and sometimes the girls) to put a little something in it. By so doing, they are allowed to stay in business. The subsidies aren't flowing the other way and they never have. I know you weren't suggesting that the government was subsidizing the privados, but it was your example. And, of course, there is then the small matter of taxes.

By the way, what is the "disparage"ment you refer to? If it's the government disparaging American car companies, I submit this is just a distraction. Our car companies' problems started long, long ago. No recent disparagement did them in. The government didn't harm them by questioning their viability certainly. That issue has been around for quite a long time. Likewise, it's not just American car companies whose sales are suffering. Talk to Honda, Toyota, BMW and Mercedes. They may be better able to weather this crisis, but their sales have likewise fallen off a cliff.

If disparagement refers to something else, then I'm just too thick to understand. I do appreciate your perspective, Sid. I just part company with you on this one issue.

Should be strictly limited to only those things that the government can (need some empirical proof here) do better than private industry. These activities would include standing and army and a limited few other things.

Taxes levied in the USA for the most part are extraconstitutional. The constitution limits what the legislature can do visa vi levying taxing on the populace. My question is, when is someone going to test the constitutionality of these obscene seizures of private property in the court system and bring the legislature back into check?

On the subject of government subsidies of privados, I'm all for it! Fuck yeah, let's nationalize prostitution! It is everyone's right to get fine ass at a reasonable price.