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[QUOTE=El Alamo;423008]I think it is time for comrade Esten to get on the winning side and join the Romney socialist bandwagon.[/QUOTE]We all lose with Romney bandwagon. 4 more years of basically the same Bush / Obama big government, tax and spend policies.
Don't forget about the terrible "Socialist" economy of Germany.
There was no name-calling Doppel, only ridicule that you bring upon yourself by the endless stream of false information you post. It stretches the imagination that a graduating college class would give a standing ovation to a talk radio host who had just insulted their faculty and called government "evil". LOL. Some people just believe what they want to, whether true or not.
I also noticed a bunch of lies about liberals in that fake speech. That's a pattern among conservatives, to lie about liberals. Just a few I've heard in the past 24 hours:
Fake commencement speech lie (June 4) : [i]"Liberals feel that their favored groups have enforceable rights to the property and services of productive individuals."[/i]
Doppel lie (June 5) : [i]"The last thing any liberal wants is for people to think for themselves. Liberals are only happy when they control YOUR wallet."[/i]
Bill O'Reilly lie (June 5) : [i]"Liberals want the government to supply almost unlimited funds to the folks. Conservatives want fiscal responsibility, in order to stabilize the economy and promote self-reliance. That's what it's all about."[/i]
What does it say about an ideology, that depends so much on mis-representing it's competing ideology?
I went looking for a definition of "liberal", not so easy to find. The following quote from JFK seemed appropriate (though perhaps not complete) :
[QUOTE]If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."
- John F. Kennedy, September 14, 1960[/QUOTE]
In Reality, yes they are upholding up the World Economy.
[QUOTE=Esten;423010]Don't forget about the terrible "Socialist" economy of Germany.[/QUOTE]
Esten, I hope you are not trying to compare Kennedy from 1960 to day's Democrats, because if you that is where you are going then Kennedy would be called a Republican by today's Democrat standards.
While Germany may be slanted to the socialist side of the scale, that did not stop them from instituting sound economic policies of cutting back on spending, going the austerity route early and getting their economy going again while scorning Obama's stimulus ideas.
You just can not stand to be called out when it comes to what liberals are. The post makes a clear and IMHO fair definition of liberal value systems and conservative value systems. So what is your problem here or are you ashamed of what liberals stand for?
By the way my prediction came to pass. Walker won by a larger margin in the recall than in his original election in 2010. After all the demonstrations and money poured in by the DNC and the unions they lost. Government sector unions are about to start having to live with the same reality as everyone else.
We don't have to wait for the financial implosion Greece is experiencing to see the riots by those demanding more when the bank is broke; we have it now with the 'Occupy' folks and the Unions in Wisconsin demanding ther "rights".
I have to agree that the Republicans were wrong when they originally called Obama a 'typical tax and send Democrat', no Obama is a Tax, Borrow More and Spend Democrat who is putting this country in the poor house with unsustainable borrowing.
While Wisconsin was a slap in the face for Obama and Democrats in general, the last several weeks have served up nothing but disappointment for the Anoited One, who is "too big to fail", from unemployment numbers, which now seem to be being manipulated for political purposes – you queue to start arguing Esten, to a bad market and stalled recovery.
I just can not wait for the Supreme Court to slap him down again at the end of June when the ObamaCare and the Arizona immigration decisions are announced. You know it's coming since he jumped on the Supreme Court right after one of his little bird appointees, probably Kagan, told him he had lost.
It looks as if Holder is about to cause Obama still more headaches with the Fast and Furious debacle coming to a head with the new wire tap transcripts turning up from an unnamed source in the Justice Department. The folks over there at Justice are smelling blood in the water and are snitching off Holder left and right.
[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 422993]Silver Star, Gary Johnson may have some good ideas but no one from his party or any other third party will be elected to the presidency in our lifetime.
Third parties only serve as spoilers and foils for the other two parties, remember Ross?
Do you really want someone in the presidency who both parties hate and have no reason to work with, take a look at Jessie Ventura's term in office. What a mess.
Concerning the above, Gary Johnson is way better than Ventura, and Gary Johnson has an awesome track record as Governor, please check it out, and he is liked by both Democrats and Republicans, he was reelected by a wider margin than his initial election. I am sure if you are a fiscal conservative, but want civil liberties too, you will see that Gary Johnson is the best choice this cycle.
It doesn't make sense to keep electing the same parties to fix the problems they created themselves. And the big myth is that under Republicans, government gets smaller, the reality is under Republicans Government only gets bigger (no child left behind and.
Medicare Part D for Starters)
I don't disagree with you that Johnson maybe the best candidate, but it does not alter the fact a 3rd party candidate is unelectable in this race.
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;423020]I don't disagree with you that Johnson maybe the best candidate, but it does not alter the fact a 3rd party candidate is unelectable in this race.[/QUOTE]Would you vote for GJ if he had critical mass, last poll I saw he was at 6%, many Americans, have said they want something new this cycle. Most of the like minded people I talk to agree that GJ is the best choice, but they say they don't want to waste their vote. I would say you are wasting your vote by voting for the same parties over and over again that have created the problem in the 1st place, and expect them to fix it.
Barak Obama was adamantly against debt limit increases while Senator, then raised the debt several times while President.
Hopefully America will realize there really isn't much of a difference between Bush / Romney / Obama and step outside the box and send a clear message that we want (and most Americans do) a balanced budget now by voting Libertarian.
[url]www.garyjohnson2012.com[/url]
I sort of agree with Silver Star that it might not make much difference who is elected President provided you are not concerned about runaway debt, spending trillions on birdbrain business ventures, having a stagnant economy and inciting class and racial demagoguery.
Obama is to politics what Labron James is to basketball. Great political talent but he is not going to bring home many NBA titles. Definitely not a Bill Russell who was in almost every NBA final during his career and won every NBA final he was in except one. It would be easier to tolerate Obama's supporters if they would take off their blinders and evaluate Obama rationally. Basically Obama is way over his head and borders on being incompetent. Just ask Bill Clinton.
[quote][b][size=+1]Zogby: Obama Facing 'Serious Crack' in His Youth Base[/b][/size]
'The fly in the ointment for Barack Obama is young people. 18 to 29 years old. He won massively among that group. This is a completely different group this time around. [There has been] three and a half, almost four years of recession for this group, a lot of hopeless. Watch a battleground play out in the fall, not between Romney and Obama on college campuses but between Obama and Gary Johnson, the libertarian, who I think speaks to a lot of frustration of young people. ' [snip] 'Johnson could be a threat to Obama's campaign. [snip] 'He got 67 percent of 18-to-29-year-olds in 2008. I have him polling around 45, 46 percent of that group. It's going to be very hard for him to win. Every young person that does not turn out to vote for Obama or votes for Gary Johnson is a problem for Obama. '[snip]
[url]http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/zogby-obama-youth-base/2012/06/06/id/441409[/url][/quote]Perhaps Gary Johnson will play a productive role after all by pulling young votes away from Obummer. Maybe I should vote for Johnson as a protest vote?
The US Economy is in the midst of a major structural adjustment that will require massive amounts of job re-training and changes to the way people are educated and prepared for entering the job market. This structural change in the labor market is a major reason for the high unemployment numbers (overabundance of construction industry labor as a result of the massive oversupply of housing, former factory and basic IT workers losing their positions to cheaper overseas labor, proliferation of college graduates with worthless college degrees). Workers with the correct skills ARE in demand and able to find high paying jobs; highly skilled technical and engineering jobs, not necessarily requiring a college degree in the high tech and energy industries.
The US government, of course, is a bloated albatross that has organized and legislated itself into being a wasteful burden upon the economy and the citizens it is supposed to serve. Entire executive branch departments should be de-commissioned (Energy, Education, Commerce, Labor for starters). In addition, the US military is entirely too large and should be trimmed down to provide the maximum service to the taxpayer at the minimum cost. The US Congress is totally broken as an institution and is in need of complete reform including term limits and an end to gerrymandering.
It is clear that Obama is NOT going to do anything to address the budget deficit and / or get the national debt under control as seems to prefer to just keep kicking the can down the road, as did his predecessor GW Bush. Obama's Health Care reform was ill timed and is terribly executed. In Obama's defense, he did inherit a very difficult set of circumstances that were entirely created by his predecessor, he has done a good job in foreign affairs (killing OBL and many other top Al-Queda types, not getting too deeply involved in the Arab Spring conflicts, getting out of Iraq and preparing to get out of Afghanistan) , and did carry through with TARP which prevented AIG and the automakers from being liquidated (and actually will not net much of a loss, if any for the USG).
If I actually believed that Romney was going to address the issues that Obama has failed to address and was going to carry out any of the reforms that I suggested I would vote for him in an instant. Unfortunately I see him pissing even more money away on the military and useless foreign wars and wasting too much time with stupid social issues that the right wing jesus freaks he panders to care about.
Republicans are whistling dixie if they think they don't bear a large share of responsibility for the debt:
- Unfunded Medicare Part D (vs. PPACA paid for)
- Unfunded wars
- Bush Tax Cuts
- Loss of revenues from recession mostly driven by conservative free-market policies
On the debt deal last summer, remember Obama was pushing for a combination of spending cuts and tax increases. A balanced approach that most Americans supported. A larger $4 Trillion deal could have been possible. But Repubs were constrained by a pledge they signed to an outside interest group, and opposed a balanced appoach, against the will of the American people. As a result we had a much smaller debt deal.
Republicans need to step up, demonstrate some accountability, and some willingness to compromise. Their ideology and actions are hurting the country, not helping.
[QUOTE=Esten; 423037]Republicans are whistling dixie if they think they don't bear a large share of responsibility for the debt:
- Unfunded Medicare Part D (vs. PPACA paid for)
- Unfunded wars.
- Bush Tax Cuts.
- Loss of revenues from recession mostly driven by conservative free-market policies.
On the debt deal last summer, remember Obama was pushing for a combination of spending cuts and tax increases. A balanced approach that most Americans supported. A larger $4 Trillion deal could have been possible. But Repubs were constrained by a pledge they signed to an outside interest group, and opposed a balanced appoach, against the will of the American people. As a result we had a much smaller debt deal.
Republicans need to step up, demonstrate some accountability, and some willingness to compromise. Their ideology and actions are hurting the country, not helping.[/QUOTE]You are so full of shit.
[QUOTE=Esten; 423037]Republicans are whistling dixie if they think they don't bear a large share of responsibility for the debt:
- Unfunded Medicare Part D (vs. PPACA paid for)
- Unfunded wars.
- Bush Tax Cuts.
- Loss of revenues from recession mostly driven by conservative free-market policies.
On the debt deal last summer, remember Obama was pushing for a combination of spending cuts and tax increases. A balanced approach that most Americans supported. A larger $4 Trillion deal could have been possible. But Repubs were constrained by a pledge they signed to an outside interest group, and opposed a balanced appoach, against the will of the American people. As a result we had a much smaller debt deal.
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