American Politics during the Obama Presidency

Yep that's real child abuse, get a grip.

Obama's numbers are headed for the cellar, he pulls back ObamaCare so the 2014 mid-terms don't make the 2010 mid-terms look like a cake walk, spent $100 M going to Africa (I was all for it until I heard he was coming back), declares a war on coal for the environment when that is at the bottom of the list of what the American people are worried about, has 11 million people out of work, the IRS debacle, the NSA / Snowden debacle, the Benghazi debacle, I could go on but why belabor the point. No wonder the liberals only want to talk about accepting social security which you paid into as socialism and a kid getting bonked on the nose.

As an apathest (a member of the apathetic party) I could honestly care less. When I said Fox News hates kids and linked to the video it was sarcastic commentary about the substance that either party generally uses to cast aspersions on the other in what passes for news media in the USA.

It is obvious that the reporter was trying to engage the child in a playful manner and clearly didn't intend to cause him harm, and to his credit was just as obviously mortified far having accidentally done so.

DR.

The politicians wanted changes.

Here are some of the problems.

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Watch Out Jackson's spell checker is not working correctly.

I thought it was funny DR.

I guess some folks just don't have a sense of humor (Doppel LOVES telling me that) ;)

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;434502]Are you a socialist if you collect social security benefits, and is enroll in the medicare program?[/QUOTE]If you like / support government programs like SS and Medicare, you at least partly support socialism. That includes most Conservatives in the US. I think some of them get conflicted when you point this out.

Welcome back Esten, thought you had gotten lost amid Obama's falling poll numbers and whatever scandal de jure has come up last.

Of course Medicare, Medicaid (let's not forget that one) and Social Security are socialist concepts as well as the entire "safety net" concept at the federal level. If such programs should exist they should be created at the state level where they would be more efficient and cost effective. Each state's voters could determine just how much "safety net" they could afford and tailor it to their individual needs instead of the "one size fits all" federal approach. But then that would diminish the Democrats hold on national politics. While you are at it lets close the Dept of Energy, reduce the EPA by 75%, go to a flat or consumption tax and reduce the IRS by 90%, militarize the boarder and secure it once and for all.

I would propose the funds paid in by the employee and employer for Medicare and Social Security would be more efficiently used if allocated to each specific individual's account and when it's gone that's it. Take care of yourself, self reliance, all that sort of thing. Let the charities take care of what's left with VOLUNTARY donations.

Hey Esten, how about Obama being told to shove it about Snowden by China and Russia; not to mention the little debacle over Evo's return trip home; Obama's lack luster trip to Africa where he had to follow in the footsteps of the man who really did something to help the folks there with his aids program – that would be George Bush, not Obama of all talk and no action.

I'm loving the ObamaCare thing, the Democrats past it all by their little selves and now they are so afraid of the damage it will do during the 2014 mid-terms they want to shelve part of it to keep 2014 making 2010 look like a Sunday school pick nick. The Dem's set up the time line with YEARS to get going and now Obama wants to refuse to enforce the LAW the Dem's passed?

If calling Social Security and Medicare socialist is the best game you got, the Dem's are in deep deep Sh*t.

Welcome back big guy, glad to have you back in the fray.

That's what is going on in Congress today. Like the fat kid in the playground who try to block people's path or tried to trip people that tried to go around him. For no good reason than to spoil your day, and to attract the attention that he crave. Since he never gets pick for any games, and is kind of shut-out of any group. Does not want to change, just taking up space. No new idea, just wearing that same dirty baggy shirt everyday. A poor loser.

Doppel, I'm very impressed how you keep recycling all those lame right wing swipes at Obama. Do you watch Fox News with a pad and paper?

BTW, I don't recall seeing where you thanked Obama for helping keep your business afloat (via the broader economy), and saving you thousands in your recent and future tax bills. How about a little gratitude, instead of all the hate.

Esten, what planet are you on. Obama's falling poll numbers are generated by Fox? The FBI, NSA, IRS, DOJ et al are products of my imagination? By the way did you happen to notice the Inspector General, who just happened to be black, has new charges regarding the IRS and the DOJ's failure to prosecute.

No hate here just tired of the joke we have for a president and all his dumb ass cronies.

Texas is doing better than most of the nation because Republican's are running it and it is a business friendly state with no personal income tax. While I have not gone out of business, many of my clients have yet to recover to the point at which they were Pre 2008, including myself, not because of Obama but in spite of his policies. Remember we are an energy state.

I'm sure the 11 Million unemployed folks are just as impressed with Obama's economic recovery, or lack thereof, as I am.

Tax break, what the hell are you talking about? I paid more in 2012 than Obama with less income.

Please pull you head out of your rectal orifice. It's a whole new world out here and your boy and the Democrats are not looking too good as their grand plans continue to collapse.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;434598]Tax break, what the hell are you talking about? I paid more in 2012 than Obama with less income.[/QUOTE]The payroll tax cuts and Bush tax cuts extension up until 2012, likely helped Doppel's bottom line by tens of thousands of dollars.

The 400 K limit on ending the Bush tax cuts, beginning 2013, will also likely help Doppel's bottom line by almost as much, minus a 0.9% Medicare surtax on income above 250 K. He still comes out ahead compared to what would have happened if all the Bush tax cuts had been allowed to expire.

But Doppel can't acknowledge how Obama has helped keep his taxes down. Instead he's got some crock about "But I paid more than Obama". What a joke. I would advise Doppel to take his own advice and pull his head out of his ass, but what he really probably needs is professional deprogramming.

[QUOTE=Esten;434606]
But Doppel can't acknowledge how Obama has helped keep his taxes down. [/QUOTE]I don't know about Doppel's situation, but Obama has helped keep my taxes down this year. Now that the federal government is taking 43.4% of what I make I'm not busting ass anymore. Instead I'm sitting on it. My income is lower and I will pay less income tax. Thank you Mr. Obama!

Esten, are you taking something or just making this up as you go along since you don't seem to know a thing about payroll taxes nor about pass through of IRS defined "taxable profit". Nor do you have the remotest idea what my firm's net income before taxes is nor do you have any idea what my income is beyond the fact I made much less in 2012 than POTUS, which is $400 K / year.

The only thing the tax holiday did was put 2% back in peoples pay checks. Even you should be able to do the math. If you can't then it would take over $500 K to just benefit by $10 K much less the multiples of $10 k you stated, but then since you don't understand payroll tax then you don't seem to know about the employer's matching payment which did not get a holiday. You also don't seem to understand small business tax law as well.

While you are bringing up the Tax Holiday, all working American's were forced to take a 2% cut in pay while the Obama administration was whining about cutting the Federal Budget by about the same amount and trying to figure out ways to make it as painful on the American taxpayer as possible to punish the Republican's for standing by the sequester.

Obama has not "given" anyone anything. Far from it, he has been taking money out of the economy via one tax hike after another in multiple guises.

Esten, as you like to trumpet Obama's "recovery" read this article from a former top number cruncher for the WBLS.

[URL]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/18/ex-dc-labor-statistics-head-jobs-numbers-dont-provide-accurate-reading-on/?test=latestnews[/URL]

I think this about sums up the "recovery" for the unemployed.

What a crock Esten, your boy Obama is a near total failure. Even his signature program ObamaCare is falling apart and he can not get it work years after enacting it.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;434611]Nor do you have the remotest idea what my firm's net income before taxes is nor do you have any idea what my income is beyond the fact I made much less in 2012 than POTUS, which is $400 K / year.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;416733]I earn over $250K, own my own business, employ 22 accountants / CPAs / office staff, drive a 5 year old car and an 11 year old truck, live in a nice home [/QUOTE]LOL, you're tripping over your own bullshit Doppel. Contrary to your claim, you yourself have posted plenty of details about your own finances, enough to estimate how much taxes you've saved because of Obama. Also don't think we didn't notice your dodgy attempt to focus on the 2% payroll tax holiday, and ignore the Bush Tax Cuts extension.

110K(0.02) + 250K(0.03)(a simplification but close) X 2(tax years 2011,2012) =
[B]$19,400 Doppel saved thanks to Obama[/B]

After you thank Obama for helping your bottom line, you can apologize for falsely accusing me of lying.

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