American Politics during the Bush Presidency

At the expense of offending some of my buddies who lean a bit (or alot) to the right, here is the link to the searing anti Bush administration funnies entitled "Get Your War On". Not for those who prefer their political debate to be conducted over crumpets and tea. The link takes you to the first page which was published on 10/9/01. There are many pages following that, leading up to the present. Some are not funny and some not as incisive in their commentary as others. Others are dead on with a huge dose of black humor. I am inspired to provide the link today as it becomes increasingly clear that in addition to everything else the Bushies have brought us, we are not far from an economic malaise, if not a near total fucking meltdown.

[url]http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war.html[/url]

A bunch of cartoons mocking Operation Enduring Freedom, the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan.

Yep, there is no understanding why the United States invaded such a nice, peaceloving, enlightened country like Afghanistan. I mean, that country didn't harbor and sponsor an international terror organization that killed 3,500 people and destroyed lower Manhattan, no sir. There was no relationship between the nice Taliban leaders and a bunch of people seeking small nuclear weapons to detonate in London or Washington, no. That was a fake declaration of jihad against America, and even if it was real, it was just made against the warmongering neo-con board of directors of Halliburton. The enlightened treatment of women, such as banning them from having medical treatment, making them slaves, and ending education for girls - all these things are the kind of wonderful 7th century government that was swept away in a hail of imperialist murder. In fact, the invasion of Afghanistan was only a Texas oil company plot to seize the oil reserves of that country, guaranteeing gasoline prices under $1 a gallon for greedy, fat infidel pigs driving their SUVs that destroy the planet, cause the polar ice caps to melt, and drown hundreds of thousands of innocent people in man-made hurricanes directed by Exxon to offshore oil platforms. And add on top of that the Republicans caused global warming and terrible wildfires that burned up only illegal aliens - another group of unfortunate victims of this administration.

It all makes perfect sense. It's all a giant conspiracy dreamed up by Dick Cheney. (Appropriate name that one is - "Dick.") Yep, get your war on. It's without any basis at all.

[QUOTE=Hunt99]A bunch of cartoons mocking Operation Enduring Freedom, the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan.

Yep, there is no understanding why the United States invaded such a nice, peaceloving, enlightened country like Afghanistan. I mean, that country didn't harbor and sponsor an international terror organization that killed 3,500 people and destroyed lower Manhattan, no sir. There was no relationship between the nice Taliban leaders and a bunch of people seeking small nuclear weapons to detonate in London or Washington, no. That was a fake declaration of jihad against America, and even if it was real, it was just made against the warmongering neo-con board of directors of Halliburton. The enlightened treatment of women, such as banning them from having medical treatment, making them slaves, and ending education for girls - all these things are the kind of wonderful 7th century government that was swept away in a hail of imperialist murder. In fact, the invasion of Afghanistan was only a Texas oil company plot to seize the oil reserves of that country, guaranteeing gasoline prices under $1 a gallon for greedy, fat infidel pigs driving their SUVs that destroy the planet, cause the polar ice caps to melt, and drown hundreds of thousands of innocent people in man-made hurricanes directed by Exxon to offshore oil platforms. And add on top of that the Republicans caused global warming and terrible wildfires that burned up only illegal aliens - another group of unfortunate victims of this administration.

It all makes perfect sense. It's all a giant conspiracy dreamed up by Dick Cheney. (Appropriate name that one is - "Dick.") Yep, get your war on. It's without any basis at all.[/QUOTE]Hunt, there is alot more to the strip than Afghanistan. And, I don't disagree with you about that aspect.

[QUOTE=Hunt99]A bunch of cartoons mocking Operation Enduring Freedom, the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan.

Yep, there is no understanding why the United States invaded such a nice, peaceloving, enlightened country like Afghanistan. I mean, that country didn't harbor and sponsor an international terror organization that killed 3,500 people and destroyed lower Manhattan, no sir. There was no relationship between the nice Taliban leaders and a bunch of people seeking small nuclear weapons to detonate in London or Washington, no. That was a fake declaration of jihad against America, and even if it was real, it was just made against the warmongering neo-con board of directors of Halliburton. The enlightened treatment of women, such as banning them from having medical treatment, making them slaves, and ending education for girls - all these things are the kind of wonderful 7th century government that was swept away in a hail of imperialist murder. In fact, the invasion of Afghanistan was only a Texas oil company plot to seize the oil reserves of that country, guaranteeing gasoline prices under $1 a gallon for greedy, fat infidel pigs driving their SUVs that destroy the planet, cause the polar ice caps to melt, and drown hundreds of thousands of innocent people in man-made hurricanes directed by Exxon to offshore oil platforms. And add on top of that the Republicans caused global warming and terrible wildfires that burned up only illegal aliens - another group of unfortunate victims of this administration.

It all makes perfect sense. It's all a giant conspiracy dreamed up by Dick Cheney. (Appropriate name that one is - "Dick.") Yep, get your war on. It's without any basis at all.[/QUOTE]I am not very much into American politics but as far as I remember that was a plan described some 30 years ago by Zbiknew Brezinshky (I hope I wrote it correctly) when he was the security advisor to the watergate president of the USA.

Before that he was the secretary of "The Trilateral Comission" formed by Nelson Rockefeller. Something like "Bidelberg" club of nowdays. Very clever guy. He predicted the fall of the USSR many years before it happened.

I had the chance to read the minutes of the first Bidelberg meeting. They were talking of finding ways to eventually form a world government. That was in the seventies.

So don't be suprised. They are following the plan. They had to bring USSR to a fall first and now are taking the soil beneath Russia in order to control the world wealth there. The oil.

You maybe find all the above naive but there is an old book of Brezinsky out there. I beleve it will be easy for you to find.

Thanks,

El Greco

[QUOTE=Sidney]Attempting to democratize, Chistianize, and cleanse the world! This idea started in the early 1800's and is used as an excuse for all our foreign escapades. Currently Iraq, AF, quite possibly Iran, Mideast, many more. The cost in many ways, to America, is astronomical ($189 billion requested funding for 1 year in Iraq+AF) Our failures continue. The dollar has collapsed, oil is sky high, the military industrial complex grows in size and influence, deficit spending, etc. As I has mentioned many times in the past, INHO, a conspiracy to enrich the oil compex and military industrial complex, and to satisfy the religious right. The Bush / Chaney constituencies benefit.[/QUOTE]I will finally and totally agree with you Sidney. But as I wrote below they are following the plan.

Thanks.

El Greco

Just as a sort of side-note to the oil and war crap - the US government, who funds things such as the Iraq War at the price of gazzillions of dollars a year, and billions of dollars a year on idiotic things like continuing to pour money down the drain on Tokamak fusion reactors as a viable source of power, has a hard time with a few hundred million on things that have been proven can work (related to fusion) and can really change the world as far as the balance of power based on oil.

Some physicists on a shoe-string budget have managed to build a working model of an engine that produces electricity using fusion, at room temperature (NOT cold fusion, but something that has been understood since the 1920's, but engineering-wise were never able to overcome)

[url]http://www.askmar.com/ConferenceNotes/Should%20Google%20Go%20Nuclear.pdf[/url]

That is a paper given to Google tech employees recently and has some really interesting science in it about how the thing works and the history of fusion. But an interesting part of this is about halfway through the paper where the speaker talks about the funding issues to be overcome and the idiocies of the government in protecting turf and coninuing to spend money on things that many people know can't ever work.

Whether or not you agree the government should be funding research or leaving it up to private corporations, I think most of us could agree that it would be better to fund a $250 million project that could release us from oil dependency in a large part and make the US a leader in power generation technology, rather than spending it on "Attempting to democratize, Chistianize, and cleanse the world"!

But what do we know - we're just a bunch of guys who enjoy pussy in a foreign land and dream of a stong dollar.

Worthy of your time to read.

How Long Do We Have?

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

[quote]A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.' 'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.

From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years.

During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;

2. From spiritual faith to great courage;

3. From courage to liberty;

4. From liberty to abundance;

5. From abundance to complacency;

6. From complacency to apathy;

7. From apathy to dependence;

8. From dependence back into bondage[/quote]Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election.

Number of States won by: Gore: 19 Bush: 29

Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000 Bush: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million Bush: 143 million.

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2 Bush: 1

Professor Olson adds

[quote]In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of this great country Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare.[/quote]Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of
democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than twenty years.

If you are in favor of this happening, then delete this message. If you are not then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

Exon123,

Some interesting figures. I think you missed out an important one. How many actual votes did each candidate get?

I voted for Gore, and would do it again.

Exon

[QUOTE=Exon123]I voted for Gore, and would do it again.

Exon[/QUOTE]Natch, I voted for him twice.:)

[QUOTE=SteveC]Exon123,

Some interesting figures. I think you missed out an important one. How many actual votes did each candidate get?[/QUOTE]Of the votes that count, according to the Constitution, Gore got 266 and Bush got 271. :p

[QUOTE=Hunt99]Of the votes that count, according to the Constitution, Gore got 266 and Bush got 271.[/QUOTE]That kind of crap is all going to come to a screeching halt soon.

The National Popular Vote initiative has been passed by two states, and is making its way through the legislative bodies of 20 or so more.

[url]http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/[/url]

It won't have an impact on the 2008 vote, but it's expected to be the way we elect Presidents from 2012 on.

This will probably be among George W. Bush's most enduring legacies.