American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[QUOTE=Punter127;434980][B]Major Health Insurers Abandon ObamaCare Exchanges[/B]

"Anthem Blue Cross, Aetna, United Health Group, and Humana have all decided against participating in various states' ObamaCare health insurance exchanges. The exchanges, which are scheduled to begin operation on October 1st, will be the only place Americans can purchase health insurance using federal subsidies granted by President Obama's signature healthcare reform law."

[URL]http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/08/08/Major-Health-Insurers-Abandon-ObamaCare-Exchanges[/URL]

I hear the train a comin'.[/QUOTE]It looks like the Democrats won this one. They always wanted a Single Payer system. Republicans fought to include the private insurers.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;434982]It looks like the Democrats won this one. They always wanted a Single Payer system. Republicans fought to include the private insurers.[/QUOTE]Sadly I agree, it appears ObamaCare was designed to fail in order to get a Single Payer system, and complete government control of the health care system.

Unfortunately the American people will be the losers, not the Republicans.

There's a (structured) profit motive built into the Affordable Care Act to support private insurer participation. But not every insurer is necessarily going to participate in every state. Aetna for example, is not participating in the exchanges in three states. One of them being California where Aetna never planned to participate in the first place.

Is California stuck without Aetna? Not at all, there are 12 private insurers with plans that meet ACA standards (Ref. www.coveredca.com):

Alameda Alliance for Health
Anthem Blue Cross of California
Blue Shield of California
Chinese Community Health Plan
Contra Costa Health Plan
Health Net
Kaiser Permanente
L.A. Care Health Plan
Molina Healthcare
Sharp Health Plan
Valley Health Plan
Western Health Advantage

The entire US healthcare system has been and continues to prepare for ACA. The myopic propaganda from Republicans and right-wing media (Faux News, Investors Business Daily, Breitbart, etc) is a tiny sliver of what's going on -- and not to be trusted or taken as representative.

Looks like Harry Reid also agrees with you.

[QUOTE=BigBossMan;434982]It looks like the Democrats won this one. They always wanted a Single Payer system. Republicans fought to include the private insurers.[/QUOTE]"Reid: ObamaCare Just a Step Towards Single-Payer System.

Reid also said that ObamaCare was "a step in the right direction" and that America has to "work our way past" insurance-based health care.

"Single-payer" is a deceptive term that means "socialized medicine." Insurance companies are put out of business and the government takes over as the sole payer of all health care costs."

[URL]http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/08/10/Reid-obamacare-first-step-towards-single-payer[/URL]

When I came back from different continents and countries, and told people and even show them pictures of wondrous mongering encounters at fast food prices, they would really get excited. Yet when the time came to join me, they had a thousand reasons for staying home and suffering the same old shit.

Now the medical system in America is broken except for the people with good jobs and good benefits. It is a system that caters to the big players who have been screwing the masses like the big financial companies do. Yet when the time came to explore new avenues to solve a very important issue, many Americans will not take the step. Whilst ObamaCare might not be the perfect system, we can surely work our way to that goal once we get the show on the road. Just like mongering, eh!

I was looking at the Civil War Map. Lo & behold, it looks exactly the same as the ObamaCare map. I think Florida has since defected?

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;435007]When I came back from different continents and countries, and told people and even show them pictures of wondrous mongering encounters at fast food prices, they would really get excited. Yet when the time came to join me, they had a thousand reasons for staying home and suffering the same old shit.

Now the medical system in America is broken except for the people with good jobs and good benefits. It is a system that caters to the big players who have been screwing the masses like the big financial companies do. Yet when the time came to explore new avenues to solve a very important issue, many Americans will not take the step. Whilst ObamaCare might not be the perfect system, we can surely work our way to that goal once we get the show on the road. Just like mongering, eh!

I was looking at the Civil War Map. Lo & behold, it looks exactly the same as the ObamaCare map. I think Florida has since defected?[/QUOTE]That's all bullshit.

First, the American people did not have a health crisis before ObamaCare as 85% of American citizens were covered by a medical plan, including every person under the age of 18 and every person over the age of 65.

Second, many Americans were ready "[I]to explore new avenues[/I]" like tort reform and allowing insurers to compete across state lines, but the liberals weren't interested in improving the health care delivery system as their actual goal was to foster more government dependency for their own political aggrandizement.

Thanks,

Jax.

Here are some facts.
That you wouldn't find on FOX.

[URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/21/uninsured-americans-2012_n_2918705.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Jackson;435013]That's all bullshit.

First, the American people did not have a health crisis before ObamaCare as 85% of American citizens were covered by a medical plan, including every person under the age of 18 and every person over the age of 65.

Second, many Americans were ready "[I]to explore new avenues[/I]" like tort reform and allowing insurers to compete across state lines, but the liberals weren't interested in improving the health care delivery system as their actual goal was to foster more government dependency for their own political aggrandizement.

Thanks,

Jax.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jackson;435013]That's all bullshit.

First, the American people did not have a health crisis before ObamaCare as 85% of American citizens were covered by a medical plan, including every person under the age of 18 and every person over the age of 65.

Second, many Americans were ready "[I]to explore new avenues[/I]" like tort reform and allowing insurers to compete across state lines, but the liberals weren't interested in improving the health care delivery system as their actual goal was to foster more government dependency for their own political aggrandizement.

Thanks,

Jax.[/QUOTE]That is what going to a hospital in America is if you do not have insurance. Yeah, it might work for a few people, but it's a rip-off. And health care in America is a rip off. You know it, and everybody's grandmother knows it.

Health Care & Education should be basic citizen rights. Most GOP reform plans do not touch private insurers. Obama did something, workable or not, we will find out. But doing nothing, and trying to defeat it by calling it socialism is just selfish. We already know how Congresss work, they are not for the people. And too many of Americans are like sheep, easily sway by fear and right-wing jihardists.

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;435017]Health Care & Education should be basic citizen rights.[/QUOTE]How noble, except your plan requires a system wherein money is taken at gunpoint from people who earned it for themselves, to be used to buy medical services for strangers who do not wish to pay for their own medical needs.

That's morally repugnant.

Thanks,

Jax

"The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who are not."

Thomas Jefferson.

Jackson, I think Thomas Jefferson got it right over 200 years ago.

Trying to explain this to a liberal is like the old Harley saying, "if I have to explain it to you, you will never understand".

Same thing here.

We are currently spending $200,000,000 more than we take in every hour of every day!

"[I]Democracy in America is doomed when the people learn to vote themselves money from the public trough.[/i]"

Alexis de Tocqueville, [I]Democracy in America[/I] (1835)

[QUOTE=Jackson;435026]How noble, except your plan requires a system wherein money is taken at gunpoint from people who earned it for themselves, to be used to buy medical services for strangers who do not wish to pay for their own medical needs.

That's morally repugnant.

Thanks,

Jax[/QUOTE]But you earned your money, you earned the right to spent it anyway you like, or even hide it. So where can you go where you don't have to pay taxes. Monaco, Luxembourg, Cayman Islands, Argentina? Perhaps, only you know.

But there is one thing we know. The powerful will always oppress the powerless, and the rich will earn it on the backs of the poor. And they will do all they can to preserve that advantage. Why are we proud to be Americans? We advocate human dignity. Otherwise, we are no better than Zimbabwe.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;435029]"The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who are not."

Thomas Jefferson.

Jackson, I think Thomas Jefferson got it right over 200 years ago.

Trying to explain this to a liberal is like the old Harley saying, "if I have to explain it to you, you will never understand".

Same thing here.

We are currently spending $200,000,000 more than we take in every hour of every day![/QUOTE]That will take care of the anti tax crusaders as well as give empowerment for those who contribute. There will always be free loaders, unfit for society but that comes with the masses. You will find them in your family, office, backyard, there is no avoiding them. You just have to go on.

I see the conservatives here continue to promote distorted views, to justify their own positions.

Healthcare was a key election issue in 2008. There were 46 million uninsured Americans, and few thought the system should be left alone. Americans elected the Democratic party, who delivered on their election promise. Americans had an opportunity again in 2012 to make a choice on healthcare, and chose to continue with the Affordable Care Act. Contrary to false claims posted here, the motive for healthcare reform was not to get more votes. Democrats (and most Americans) actually believe the system needed reform, to work better for more people.

The Democratic philosophy is not about giving people handouts. It's about giving people a hand, so that by their own effort and hard work they have a better shot at improving their life. Nobody rises out of poverty into the middle class by government programs; their own effort is always required.

And guess what, when the middle class is stronger, everyone does better including those at the top.

Jackson does not like the Socialist System of Health Care in Argentina, so he goes back to the USA And pays the Capitalist rates for it in the USA.
Sure, he does?

[QUOTE=Jackson;435026]How noble, except your plan requires a system wherein money is taken at gunpoint from people who earned it for themselves, to be used to buy medical services for strangers who do not wish to pay for their own medical needs.

That's morally repugnant.

Thanks,

Jax[/QUOTE]