2012 Elections in the USA

I am confused, Why isn't Romney and his rich cronies creating jobs. If Obama tries to create jobs the Republicans say he is adding more to the high Deficit, that Bush started.

If Romney gets elected, then this country will be closer to Cuba standard of living. The Rich running the country; same as Bush, with no regard for the workers, other than exploiting them.

Cut Schools, Police and workers wages, etc.

Get rid of Family Planning (Family Planning, not abortion clinics). I know, Let the Women go back to using Coat Hangers. The first Bush signed the Family Planning Bill into law.

The Supreme Court is under question. They are supposed to decide the cases, judging them on their Merits, not their Political Parties beliefs.

[QUOTE=Tiny12; 423115]Although much of it was wasted on foolish government spending, the billions of dollars that Romney and other wealthy Republicans have paid in taxes have done a lot to Help the People of the United States.

Maybe you should read the Constitution. It was written by people who whose beliefs were a hell of a lot closer to Gary Johnson's and Mitt Romney's than Barrack Obama's.

Selfcentered Democrat Bastards. Always looking for a handout.

Have you considered moving to Cuba? It has everything you're looking for. Equality, equal pay for equal work, an economy run by caring government bureaucrats instead of greedy corporations and small businesses, and lots of cheap poontang. Oh yeah, I forgot, they figured out that didn't work and they're changing it. Well, there's always North Korea.[/QUOTE]

WT 69, what about all that Hope and Change, transparency in government, and my personal favorite cutting the deficit by HALF not doubling it in three and a half years? Why do you liberals complain when Team Obama had bulletproof majorities in both the House and the Senate, passing every liberal wet dream you guys had?

When people lost faith in the 'Hope & Change' president in 2010 delivering a shellacking to the liberals all you guys do is piss and moan about how the Republicans stonewall you, blaming everything for the last three and a half years on them even though liberals ran wild for the first two? Was this not the president who told the Republicans we won you lost sit down and shut up in 2008, totally shutting them out of the legislative process?

As conservatives are poised to hold the House and win both the Senate and the White House remember that revenge is a dish best served cold, just as liberals served it to the conservatives in 2008. So break out the crying towels for both the government unions and the liberals!

[QUOTE=Jackson;423090]People must take care of themselves, period.[/QUOTE]Tell that to the person who needs medical attention due to an illness or accident.

Once again conservatives want to boil it down to a false choice: either you do it yourself, or someone else does it for you.

That is not the debate.

It is a question of odds. Whether we want a society where the odds are 1 in 10 that you can move up the ladder. Or where the odds are say 3 in 10, or better. Liberal policies are not about giving people a free ticket to the middle class. They are aimed at giving people a better shot, increasing their odds. Hard work and self-effort are still central and essential.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;423115]Maybe you should read the Constitution. It was written by people who whose beliefs were a hell of a lot closer to Gary Johnson's and Mitt Romney's than Barrack Obama's.[/QUOTE]Somehow I doubt those people ever envisioned a society where 5% of the population controls 80% of the wealth.

They did not anticipate the rise of Wall Street and Corporatism.

See Esten, you are back to "groups" not "individuals", again the defining difference between liberals and conservatives. This is exactly what the argument is about.

If conservatives wish to help those less fortunate they wish to be free to so by choice, fee to determine when, how and how much they wish to help, not have the government telling them not only when and how they should be compassionate but how much they are forced to pay.

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[QUOTE=Jackson;423090]People must take care of themselves, period.[/QUOTE]Tell that to the person who needs medical attention due to an illness or accident.

Once again conservatives want to boil it down to a false choice: either you do it yourself, or someone else does it for you.

That is not the debate.

It is a question of odds. Whether we want a society where the odds are 1 in 10 that you can move up the ladder. Or where the odds are say 3 in 10, or better. Liberal policies are not about giving people a free ticket to the middle class. They are aimed at giving people a better shot, increasing their odds. Hard work and self-effort are still central and essential.[/QUOTE]Hey Esten,

You mis-quoted me, but then that is a favorite liberal tactic.

What I wrote was [i]"The [u]normal[/u] must take care of themselves."[/i], and to continue your example, Yes, I would tell the [u]normal[/u] [i]"person who needs medical attention due to an illness or accident"[/i] that he or she is responsible for purchasing medical insurance for themselves specifically to safeguard themselves from exactly this calamity.

We call this phenomenon "personal responsibility".

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Esten; 423126]Somehow I doubt those people ever envisioned a society where 5% of the population controls 80% of the wealth.

They did not anticipate the rise of Wall Street and Corporatism.[/QUOTE]They also probably never envisioned a society where 40% of the citizens would be sitting on their ass waiting for the government to give them money.

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=Jackson;423130]They also probably never envisioned a society where 40% of the citizens would be sitting on their ass waiting for the government to give them money.

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]

Scenario 1.

A castaway on a ship washes up on an island with 4 bushels of barley. He's hungry. He eats a bushel and plants the rest. Some months later he ends up with 60 bushels of barley, from what he planted. He starts trading with the natives, who benefit from an additional steady food source.

Scenario 2.

Someone washes up on an island with 4 bushels of barley. The local chief takes 3 bushels and distributes it to his subjects, who eat it. The shipwrecked castaway eats the remaining bushel. The natives don't have the motivation to fish or hunt, because they have the barley. A few months later everyone is hungry.

There was some hope with this bill, but the Republicans said screw the Women.

[url]http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s3220/show[/url]

According to the constitution it passed by the simple majority. But because we a Black President it now take 60 votes. Filibuster my ass.

What crock of shit.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger; 423124]WT 69, what about all that Hope and Change, transparency in government, and my personal favorite cutting the deficit by HALF not doubling it in three and a half years? Why do you liberals complain when Team Obama had bulletproof majorities in both the House and the Senate, passing every liberal wet dream you guys had?

When people lost faith in the 'Hope & Change' president in 2010 delivering a shellacking to the liberals all you guys do is piss and moan about how the Republicans stonewall you, blaming everything for the last three and a half years on them even though liberals ran wild for the first two? Was this not the president who told the Republicans we won you lost sit down and shut up in 2008, totally shutting them out of the legislative process?

As conservatives are poised to hold the House and win both the Senate and the White House remember that revenge is a dish best served cold, just as liberals served it to the conservatives in 2008. So break out the crying towels for both the government unions and the liberals![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 423142]There was some hope with this bill, but the Republicans said screw the Women.

[url]http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s3220/show[/url]

According to the constitution it passed by the simple majority. But because we a Black President it now take 60 votes. Filibuster my ass.

What crock of shit.[/QUOTE]Passed my ass. It never received majority approval in the House of Representatives. Did you actually read the Constitution or are you just telling other people to do it?

There are already laws on the books for sex discrimination, like the Equal Pay Act. This is a gift to the plaintiff's attorneys, some of the biggest donors to Obama's campaign and the Democrat Party. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.

WT69, if liberals were so worried about women, why didn't they pass it when they had a super majority in both the House and the Senate the first two years of Obama's presidency? I'll tell you why, they don't really give a damn about women or anyone else for that matter, they only care about themselves. So why are you now crying about the 60 vote rule to bring a measure to the floor for debate in the Senate, a rule put in place years ago.

WT69, if you are so committed to women's rights, why don't you pay all the working girls in the third world countries you visit the same rate as the top hookers in Vegas? I mean fair is fair, right?

Better yet why haven't you joined with Christina to abolish the trade all together if you are so concerned?

You need a support from the majority of the House members and "60" out of 100 senators. So, most bills passed by Congress, regardless of unified or divided government, are bipartisan bills. Two years ago, Democrats had a narrow super majority in the Senate (59 or 60 votes I guess) , some of whom were Southern Democrats, who often differ from other Democrats.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;423153]WT69, if liberals were so worried about women, why didn't they pass it when they had a super majority in both the House and the Senate the first two years of Obama's presidency? .[/QUOTE]

I wish Obama would force our adopted child, Israel, to sent in a team to assasinate Assad. I know it can be done. Why is Israel sitting on their hands? Assad is an old hated enemy. Why is everyone so quiet about this. Too far away or no oil fields? It should have been done months ago, the mafia way.

The local school here had their students write essays on what a Obama's second term would look like if he is reelected. Recurring themes were.

1) rising unemployment.

2) stagnant economy becoming a full fledged depression.

3) Obama's wife taking innumerable taxpayer funded luxury vacations while the common people have trouble paying for a 99 cent McDonalds hamburger. Don't even think about a Big Mac.

4) Obama clinging to his birdbrain idea that public sector jobs are equivalent to private sector jobs.

5) riots in the streets policed by Black Panthers.

6) adminstration orchestrated security leaks.

7) Obama sounding like a retard without a telepromptor.

8) Obama being forced to admit that he was born in Kenya / Indonesia.

9) elections decided by dead and nonexistant voters.

10) attorney general Holder forced to take an IQ test which reveals an IQ between a moron and imbecile.

11) Obama admitting that he read Economics for Dummies but found it way over his head.

12) Obama seeking marriage counseling from ex senator John Edwards

13) Obama taking career preparation courses to be a drug dealer for life after the White House

14) Obama researching what number comes after trillion in order to discuss the national debt

On the upside.

1) daily golfing outings improve Obamas golf game.

2) Obama might predict the March Madness basketball winner again.

3) Obama tries out as a free agent point guard for the Miami Heat

4) Geroge Clooney and Barbara Streisand move into the White House

Who said our kids have lost their edge?