American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[B]We should stand down in Syria.[/B]

"Remember, we went into Iraq based on the information we were getting about weapons of mass destruction. We better be sure who's using these weapons in Syria. Is it Assad or is it the rebels who, in fact, would love to have America come in? Remember, the rebels were being beaten back by Bashar Assad. So what reason would he have to use chemical weapons?

The United States should also be skeptical of Russian President Vladimir Putin and his involvement in the Syrian conflict.

"Putin is the puppet master in all of this and, so far, he's outdone the president of the United States at every turn.

I condemn all use of chemical weapons and the situation in Syria is very upsetting, but I just don't see how it's an American interest. We should not get involved militarily. We are not the world police and what will be gained by an attack by the US, it may well make things worse. I'm one of the first to make the call to arms if threatened but I don't see the threat to the USA, and this is just not our fight. We should stand down. IMHO.

[QUOTE=Punter127;435299]This from a Brit[/QUOTE]Sir If I may just correct you...I'm English.

[QUOTE=FlexibleHorn;435308]Sir If I may just correct you...I'm English.[/QUOTE]I stand corrected. LOL.

[QUOTE=Esten;435302]I'm good. But it might be past your bedtime, old man. You're confused. In the Zimmerman thread a few days ago you claimed NY was not enforcing gun laws. I asked you to share some data on this. You did not.[/QUOTE]Most sensible people with a modicum of common sense know that our prisons and jails would be filled to overflowing if the anti gun laws already on the books were enforced.

Tres3.

Well I see our ball-less leader is still dithering over Syria.

If Obamanation was going to do anything he should have launched the air strikes three years ago when this was first cranking up and before all the radical's moved into the theater. Back when it was just the Syrians involved in the civil war.

No couldn't do that, instead the Obamanation amid all the hand wringing and platitudes about civilians had to shoot off his month about "red lines" and chemical weapons and now he feels like he has to do something a year after it was confirmed Sarin was used by the regime.

At this point our enemies are killing each other, Hezbollah vs Al Qaeda, so how is this a bad thing?

Tossing a few cruise missiles is not going to change the equation and I think everyone has had enough boots on the ground in the Middle East for a while unless there was a direct threat to the US and we intended to keep what we kill for a change.

If the Obamanation feels he needs to do something then I have two words for him – tactical nuke. While he is at it, since Iran want's nukes so bad why not drop off a few we are about to decommission and save the money we would spend to dismantle them? That would sure make Iran a quiet corner of the Middle East for about 5,000 years.

[QUOTE=Tres3;435319]Most sensible people with a modicum of common sense know that our prisons and jails would be filled to overflowing if the anti gun laws already on the books were enforced.

Tres3.[/QUOTE]There's an easy solution for that problem: Just release everyone who is doing time for possession of recreational substances.

[B]In Stunning Move UK Parliament Rejects Syria Military Strike, Obama "Willing To Go It Alone"[/B]

"Moments ago the UK House of Commons, in a razor thin vote, rejected the Cameron proposal for military action in Syria with a vote 285 to 272. Cameron promptly said he would respect the will of the House of Commons and UK Defense Secretary Phillip Hammond confirmed there would be no UK military intervention in Syria."

[URL]http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-29/uk-rejects-syria-military-strike-obama-willing-go-it-alone[/URL]

Looks like the Brits figured it out.

[QUOTE=Jackson;435321]There's an easy solution for that problem: Just release everyone who is doing time for possession of recreational substances.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/29/eric-holder-marijuana-washington-colorado-doj_n_3837034.html[/URL]

Syria?

If it wasn't for the crickets the silence of the leftwing members of this forum would be deafening.

Where are you Blackshirt and WT69?

[QUOTE=DaddyRulz;435326][URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/29/eric-holder-marijuana-washington-colorado-doj_n_3837034.html[/URL][/QUOTE]That's the 2nd thing in 6 years that Obama has done right.

[QUOTE=Jackson;435333]That's the 2nd thing in 6 years that Obama has done right.[/QUOTE]Also good was at the beginning of the administration there was a rescue of Americans being held by pirates, snipers took the pirates out by sniper fire...Great job!

[QUOTE=Punter127;435332]Syria?

If it wasn't for the crickets the silence of the leftwing members of this forum would be deafening.

Where are you Blackshirt and WT69?[/QUOTE]Been on the island of Gili Asahan, no tv, no wifi, no bullshit. Just white powder sand, clear waters, some goats and cows. Crowing is not befitting you. Nobody is always right, and nobody is always wrong.

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;435340] Crowing is not befitting you. Nobody is always right, and nobody is always wrong.[/QUOTE]No "crowing" here. And you're right as Jackson and Silver Star have pointed out even Obama has been right a few times. I just find it very strange that nobody on the left has voiced an opinion on the very serious Syria situation, why do you suppose that is?

Have a safe flight.

[QUOTE=SilverStar;435338]Also good was at the beginning of the administration there was a rescue of Americans being held by pirates, snipers took the pirates out by sniper fire...Great job![/QUOTE]The Navy Seals did that, not Obama.

I am not struggling with my position on this.

We must confirm Assad used chemical weapons, with convincing evidence. Assuming this is the case, we [U]must[/U] do something. What that is, I'll leave to the experts, and it obviously needs to be thought through carefully.

I see several reasons. Chemical weapons are sickening and to stand by while a dictator uses them on his own people, is unacceptable for someone who can do something about it (like the US or UK). The UK decision is going to cause a lot of division in that country, and don't be surprised if it gets revisited (the vote was close, 272 to 285). If you are able to act and do not, you have basically said "I'm OK with mass murder by chemical weapons". The UK's shame will be multiplied if France joins the US. A secondary reason is Obama's statement about the red line. US credibility will be diminished if we do not act, and the Assad and other regimes may take this as license to expand use of chemical weapons.

Of course it all hinges on the credibility of the evidence.