American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[QUOTE=TejanoLibre;435394]"The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. He is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty. And he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies.

TL.[/QUOTE]Not flipping at you. Since we never met, I don't really know.

Black Shirt, first of all we did not get any oil out of Iraq and while Afghanistan is rich in mineral resources they are never going to be recoverable in our lifetime. The only war we did wage for Oil was Gulf I to liberate Kuwait.

As I stated before, if the Obamanation was going to do anything he should have done it when the rebels were all Syrian and were making progress against the regime nearly three years ago not now after all the radicals flooded in and the Russians improved and manned their air defense network.

At the beginning he could have taken out their primary military assets as well as command and control centers with a few well placed strikes if he did not telegraph his intentions before the strikes. If he had to run his mouth then do it once the ordinance was in the air.

Obama has show over and over he has no grasp of much of anything but especially in the international arena where he is seen as weak and bumbling.

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;435397]That's right, there has been no difference between the US presidents from Franklin Roosevelt to Barack Obama when it comes to oil and the Middle East.[/QUOTE]Thank you.

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;435397]As for military intervention, just do what we did in Libya. A few key bombing missions would have tilt the tide. And meanwhile, have the Israelis do it for us.[/QUOTE][B][u]Why Syria Is More Complicated Than Libya.[/u][/B]

[URL]http://www.npr.org/2013/08/29/216858049/why-syria-is-more-complicated-than-libya[/URL]

Audio.

[URL]http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=216858049&m=216926485[/URL]

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;435400]Black Shirt, first of all we did not get any oil out of Iraq and while Afghanistan is rich in mineral resources they are never going to be recoverable in our lifetime. The only war we did wage for Oil was Gulf I to liberate Kuwait.

As I stated before, if the Obamanation was going to do anything he should have done it when the rebels were all Syrian and were making progress against the regime nearly three years ago not now after all the radicals flooded in and the Russians improved and manned their air defense network.

At the beginning he could have taken out their primary military assets as well as command and control centers with a few well placed strikes if he did not telegraph his intentions before the strikes. If he had to run his mouth then do it once the ordinance was in the air.

Obama has show over and over he has no grasp of much of anything but especially in the international arena where he is seen as weak and bumbling.[/QUOTE]Especially on the home front. From people like you, Senator McConnell, Trump who try to block, mis-quote, fear-monger every issue for the last 5 years. Took away precious time & resources. Bush was the luckiest president alive, what with the Supreme Court decision & then 9-11 that united America and gave him a clear playing field for the next 6 years. He was toast after that. So now, we are war weary, suicidal and broke. No wonder that Bush took up painting and biking for his leisure activities. He must have nightmares about how Cheney con him, that trusted lieutenant.

You are right about the timing of intervention, it is a little late. Even with Assad gone, we do not know who is going to come aboard. Probably a Egyptian situation in the making. Syria has always been a Iran / Russia proxy, we had a chance to flip the situation & miss it.

More on Eric Holder and the weed issue.

Sorry it's from Huff Po again.

[URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/03/marijuana-deaths_n_3860418.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;435400]As I stated before, if the Obamanation was going to do anything he should have done it when the rebels were all Syrian and were making progress against the regime nearly three years ago not now after all the radicals flooded in and the Russians improved and manned their air defense network.

At the beginning he could have taken out their primary military assets as well as command and control centers with a few well placed strikes if he did not telegraph his intentions before the strikes. If he had to run his mouth then do it once the ordinance was in the air.[/QUOTE]Gee, it all sounds so easy. Where were the Republicans on this? Oh yes, sitting on the sidelines waiting to whip up a frenzy of outrage to elect a Republican president in 2012. Obama was not going to harm America to help Syria.

[QUOTE=Esten;435408]Gee, it all sounds so easy. Where were the Republicans on this? Oh yes, sitting on the sidelines waiting to whip up a frenzy of outrage to elect a Republican president in 2012. Obama was not going to harm America to help Syria.[/QUOTE]Esten.

First:

We don't have any business getting involved in Syria in the first place, it's not our problem. I'm pretty sure the Republicans have been on this tract from the start.

Second:

Why does Obama have his nose out of joint over the use of chemical weapons, Assad has killed a lot more civilians and rebels with air strikes, artillery, tanks, heavy and small arms fire than he has with chemical weapons.

So the folks killed by gas are more dead than the others, more special, a greater atrocity or is it Assad's use of chemical weapons crossed the "red line" Obama declared when he was shooting off his mouth trying to act tough?

As I recall when Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons against the Kurds in Iraq the Democrats didn't bat an eye, so what makes this different, Obama's prestige?

Third:

As I have already said – we have no business doing anything in Syria – but if the Obamation was so upset about all the civilian causalities and was really serious when he said Assad must go, his words not mine, then he should have acted early and struck without telegraphing his intentions.

No it is not "easy" but much more easily accomplished before Assad began dispersing his assets and the Russians provided and manned up graded air defense systems.

Last:

Neither one drop of American blood nor the life of a single American service member is worth salvaging Obama's "prestige" after he shot from the lip in attempt to appear relevant or tough on the world stage and now is caught with his pants down and no allies willing to join him in this ill-conceived endeavor to bolster his image and save face.

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;435402]Especially on the home front. From people like you, Senator McConnell, Trump who try to block, mis-quote, fear-monger every issue for the last 5 years. Took away precious time & resources. Bush was the luckiest president alive, what with the Supreme Court decision & then 9-11 that united America and gave him a clear playing field for the next 6 years. He was toast after that. So now, we are war weary, suicidal and broke. No wonder that Bush took up painting and biking for his leisure activities. He must have nightmares about how Cheney con him, that trusted lieutenant.[/QUOTE]Oh Black Shirt, I had no idea I had such power, but me thinks you exaggerate my abilities and the situation.

Obama and the Democrats ran riot for two years enacting any and everything their liberal little hearts desired until the 2010 mid-term elections. If anyone squandered resources it was Obama.

I would say a significant portion of the country does not agree with Obama's leadership and the 2014 mid-terms may look a lot like 2010.

Obama's approval rating is at 42% and there is no appetite for another foreign adventure.

Obama's signature achievement AHA is losing support daily, twists in the wind with one delay after another and now even the unions have turned against it.

With the national debt at $16+ trillion and rising to support a welfare state spending rate which will bankrupt the country. I will add that I did not agree with financing the Iraq and Afghan wars with debt, it should have been paid with current revenues.

Obama has made his own bed and now he has to sleep in it.

I have to agree with Jackson's quote, who is more to blame the fool who leads or the fools who elected him.

Iraq / Syria.

Fool me once, shame on you.

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Fool me twice, shame on me.

[QUOTE=DaddyRulz;435406]More on Eric Holder and the weed issue.

Sorry it's from Huff Po again.

[URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/03/marijuana-deaths_n_3860418.html[/URL][/QUOTE]A Democrat friend of mine who's a stoner has told me that Holder and Obama had no control over the federal attorneys and agents who enforce the drug laws. And that's the reason, for example, that prosecution of medical marijuana clinics and growers in California was much more aggressive under Obama than Bush. I think this story shows that's all B.S. They can do what they want to do. I hope their sudden change of attitude will extend to other states, besides Colorado and Washington, and to other issues related to civil liberties.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;435412]Oh Black Shirt, I had no idea I had such power, but me thinks you exaggerate my abilities and the situation.

Obama and the Democrats ran riot for two years enacting any and everything their liberal little hearts desired until the 2010 mid-term elections. If anyone squandered resources it was Obama.[/QUOTE]I was on the road, and was not paying too much attention to what Obama & the Democratic Congress enacted other than ObamaCare. Maybe, you could enlighten me. All I knew was that all hell was breaking loose on the economic front, as banks, stocks & housing prices plunge, lay-offs & unemployment skyrocketed. The biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression. My personal investment fell 40%, I had to go into ignore mode, and convince myself into pretending it never happen.

A crisis you would wish on your enemy. And for an incoming president, just another day strolling through the park, eh! In your estimation, of course.

I believe this explains Liberals pretty well. Leave it to Linus to get it right.

Doppelganger, your third cartoon is right on if one would use the words "pro abortion" instead of "pro choice". That is but one reason that I choose pro abortion rather than pro choice. I do not think that the abortion issue should be one that is liberal or conservative. Men should be left out of the decision entirely. The decision should be left to the individual woman who is pregnant, and whether she is conservative or liberal makes no difference.

Tres3.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;435411]As I have already said – we have no business doing anything in Syria[/QUOTE]Like a Republican free market capitalist, Doppel's life philosophy can usually be distilled to the following common denominator:

[I]Who cares about anyone else. What's in it for [size=+1][b]me[/b][/size] ?[/I]

Did you read the whole thing or just the parts you liked?

Obama had 1 Benghazi.

Bush had 13 Benghazis.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;435441]I believe this explains Liberals pretty well. Leave it to Linus to get it right.[/QUOTE]