American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[QUOTE=Tres3;435443]Doppelganger, your third cartoon is right on if one would use the words "pro abortion" instead of "pro choice". That is but one reason that I choose pro abortion rather than pro choice. I do not think that the abortion issue should be one that is liberal or conservative. Men should be left out of the decision entirely. The decision should be left to the individual woman who is pregnant, and whether she is conservative or liberal makes no difference.

Tres3.[/QUOTE]Two questions;

1. Assuming the father's going to be held financially responsible shouldn't he have a voice?

2. Don't you think there should be some type limit, or a point of no return in the pregnancy?

I don't say "pro abortion" because I think it's morally wrong, however I support having the right to make that choice, within reason.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;435447]Did you read the whole thing or just the parts you liked?

Obama had 1 Benghazi.

Bush had 13 Benghazis.[/QUOTE]The difference is that Bush did something about it.

[QUOTE=Punter127;435448]

1. Assuming the father's going to be held financially responsible shouldn't he have a voice?
[/QUOTE]I do not want to get in an argument with you or argue the point with dueling article links. I agree that if the father steps up and accepts responsibility for his actions, and will also be financially responsible for the child, he should have some voice. Unfortunately, that is seldom the case. If one talks to the folks at Planned Parenthood (throughout the country) and / or lawyers, one finds an astounding number of fathers who refuse to accept responsibility for their actions.

Tres3.

For all my liberal friends, Esten, WT69, Black Shirt et. Al.
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[QUOTE=Esten;435444]Like a Republican free market capitalist, Doppel's life philosophy can usually be distilled to the following common denominator:

[I]Who cares about anyone else. What's in it for ?[/I][/QUOTE]Democrats want people to be poor or unemployed or totally dependent on government. That way they get more votes. They enlarge their constituency. And if they can blame it all on racism instead of their own policies so much the better:
[URL]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323324904579041313852450646.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tres3;435451]I do not want to get in an argument with you or argue the point with dueling article links. I agree that if the father steps up and accepts responsibility for his actions, and will also be financially responsible for the child, he should have some voice. Unfortunately, that is seldom the case. If one talks to the folks at Planned Parenthood (throughout the country) and / or lawyers, one finds an astounding number of fathers who refuse to accept responsibility for their actions.

Tres3.[/QUOTE]No argument here simply asking questions and voicing an opinion. I think a woman should have the choice of aborting, up to a point. (late term is absurd) But I also think the father should have the option of requesting her to abort, if she refuses than the father should be relieved of financial responsibility and all parental rights. It only seems fair to me, if she has the power of choice, he should have some options as well. IMHO.

Read and you will know.

[URL]http://www.vice.com/read/here-are-all-the-laws-passed-by-the-worst-congress-of-all-time[/URL]

Why are they mostly in the Republican States. They hate the Demos and Vote Republican, but use what they can get for Free.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;435454]Democrats want people to be poor or unemployed or totally dependent on government. That way they get more votes. They enlarge their constituency. And if they can blame it all on racism instead of their own policies so much the better:
[URL]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323324904579041313852450646.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

Had to post this quote since we have not had a president over the past 5+ years.

"Musician Charlie Daniels is never bashful about his conservative beliefs, but his latest Facebook message pulls nary a punch regarding President Barack Obama's waffling on Syria.

In my soon to be 77 years as a citizen of the United States of America, having lived through Japan's sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, the dark days of WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Watergate, 9/11 and all the other serious and profound events our beloved nation has been involved in over the last three quarters of a century, I have to say with all sincerity that I have never seen a president as confused, befuddled, impotent, insincere and as out of his depth as Barack Obama has become in dealing with the Syrian issue.

When you're the leader of the free world, you don't make statements you can't back up and you don't draw lines in the sand, watch your enemies cross them with impunity and go off and play a round of golf.

America's leaders should guard their tongues well and not issue spur of the moment reactions and empty threats. Our bite should be a lot worse than our bark and a presidential warning should be a dire and solemn caution, issued only once and followed up with swift and decisive action, not some half-baked puff of bravado that nobody really takes seriously."

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;435460] Poor and Unemployed - Why are they mostly in the Republican States. They hate the Demos and Vote Republican, but use what they can get for Free.[/QUOTE]Not true and / or irrelevant:

[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/29/politics/pol-fact-check-gop-governors[/URL]

[URL]http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2012/06/07/are-the-10-poorest-u-s-states-really-republican/[/URL]

And, btw, adjust for the cost of living and taxes and "backwards" states like Texas start to look more prosperous than your home state.

WT69, You've been strangely silent on the Syrian issue. Why? I know you'd be raising hell if a Republican president were proposing to bomb another country.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;435461]Had to post this quote since we have not had a president over the past 5+ years.

"Musician Charlie Daniels is never bashful about his conservative beliefs, but his latest Facebook message pulls nary a punch regarding President Barack Obama's waffling on Syria.

In my soon to be 77 years as a citizen of the United States of America, having lived through Japan's sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, the dark days of WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Watergate, 9/11 and all the other serious and profound events our beloved nation has been involved in over the last three quarters of a century, I have to say with all sincerity that I have never seen a president as confused, befuddled, impotent, insincere and as out of his depth as Barack Obama has become in dealing with the Syrian issue.

When you're the leader of the free world, you don't make statements you can't back up and you don't draw lines in the sand, watch your enemies cross them with impunity and go off and play a round of golf.

America's leaders should guard their tongues well and not issue spur of the moment reactions and empty threats. Our bite should be a lot worse than our bark and a presidential warning should be a dire and solemn caution, issued only once and followed up with swift and decisive action, not some half-baked puff of bravado that nobody really takes seriously."[/QUOTE]Why don't you just declare yourself an isolationist. That way, we can know where you are coming from.

Americans like to think that international conflicts do not affect their lives. As in World War II and 9-11, they were rudely awaken, then they had no choice. Always a little late. Lucky, we have the firepower.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;435454]Democrats want people to be poor or unemployed or totally dependent on government.[/QUOTE]Republicans want people to be poor or unemployed or totally dependant on the rich man. No I don't really believe that, but it illustrates how utterly ridiculous such characterizations are.

Keep repeating it to yourself over and over, like a good Faux News robot.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;435461]Had to post this quote since we have not had a president over the past 5+ years.

"Musician Charlie Daniels is never bashful about his conservative beliefs, but his latest Facebook message pulls nary a punch regarding President Barack Obama's waffling on Syria.

In my soon to be 77 years as a citizen of the United States of America, having lived through Japan's sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, the dark days of WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Watergate, 9/11 and all the other serious and profound events our beloved nation has been involved in over the last three quarters of a century, I have to say with all sincerity that I have never seen a president as confused, befuddled, impotent, insincere and as out of his depth as Barack Obama has become in dealing with the Syrian issue.

When you're the leader of the free world, you don't make statements you can't back up and you don't draw lines in the sand, watch your enemies cross them with impunity and go off and play a round of golf.

America's leaders should guard their tongues well and not issue spur of the moment reactions and empty threats. Our bite should be a lot worse than our bark and a presidential warning should be a dire and solemn caution, issued only once and followed up with swift and decisive action, not some half-baked puff of bravado that nobody really takes seriously."[/QUOTE]Some near-octogenarian country musician from the south, Charlie Daniels? Whooo!! Pulling out the big ammo there Doppel. This is almost as powerful as your dumb cartoons. This guy Charlie Daniels pops up every few months on right wing media like Faux News, with some new diatribe on Obama. Syria is just the latest topic in a series of many. I wonder what he had to say about all the politicians who demanded Obama delay action until there was a vote. Most likely, if Obama had taken immediate military action as this guy seems to suggest he should have, he would just have penned a different diatribe that Obama is an out-of-control dictator. From his many rants, it looks like he just found a gimmick to get media attention to help his record and concert ticket sales. And folks like Doppel lap it up.

There is a very simple response to nonsense like this: Is the world taking Obama seriously that he may potentially order a military strike on Syria? 'Nuf said.

We do not need to be in another war.

It does not make any different in the Arab countries who is in charge, they will fight each other over tribal differences. As they have been doing since the beginning of time.

I am not sure on the exact number, but I think our country has been at war in some form for all but maybe 25 years.

What is funny it that the Republicans are the Party of Hawks, but now they have become Doves. What do you suppose is the reason?

I believe Racist reasons.

The latest Poll:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/poll-majority-of-americans-approve-of-sending-cong,33752/



[QUOTE=Tiny12;435462]

WT69, You've been strangely silent on the Syrian issue. Why? I know you'd be raising hell if a Republican president were proposing to bomb another country.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Esten;435444]Like a Republican free market capitalist, Doppel's life philosophy can usually be distilled to the following common denominator:

[I]Who cares about anyone else. What's in it for me?[/I][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Esten;435466]Republicans want people to be poor or unemployed or totally dependant on the rich man. No I don't really believe that, but it illustrates how utterly ridiculous such characterizations are.

Keep repeating it to yourself over and over, like a good Faux News robot.[/QUOTE]My generalization was a response to your generalization, that Republican free market capitalists don't give a shit about others. First that's not true for most. Second, who cares. The benefits of their labors flow through mostly to employees, customers and society.

That said, there's a tendency for people to brainwash themselves to promote agendas that benefit themselves. It's not confined to Democrats. For example, there are Republican politicians in the Mid-West who support subsidies to mostly-wealthy farmers and ethanol companies. Some of them actually think that's good for America. Spending money on education as directed by the teachers' unions, encouraging people to stay unemployed by making welfare benefits contingent on not working, directing money out of the private sector and into the federal government, these are all policies that keep people poor, unemployed and voting for Democrats.

You misspelled dependent.