American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[B]No matter how much you ululate it's still a Constitutional Republic![/B]

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;435629] If nothing else, I support the Presidential office, and the Commander-in-Chief. Somebody has to lead, and he is not as stupid as you think. [/QUOTE]How much did you support the "Presidential office, and the Commander-in-Chief" when Bush was in office? When the President over reaches we don't have to support him, that's part of being free and living in a Constitutional Republic.

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;435629]Something astounding has happen. I was informed that we no longer believe in democracy, majority rule in America.[/QUOTE]Majority rule equals minority ruled, and considering the racist history of the Democrat party I'm not surprised you wish we were a democracy. Did you know we have elected four Presidents that didn't have a majority of the popular vote, how could that happen in a democracy? The truth is the word democracy does not appear in the Decoration of Independence or the Constitution. (nor does it appear in any of the fifty state Constitutions) Have you ever read any of those documents? You really should try to brush up on your American history before you make rash statements. Oh, but wait I forget, facts don't matter to progressives.

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;435629]Yeah right, do you resolve all your conflicts in a showdown at High Noon? You think you have the fastest draw? I might be the only one slower than you, but there is always going to be somebody faster than you. Then, where will you be.[/QUOTE]Gibberish.

I've found Obama to be an intelligent, common-sense and practical person. Just the kind of person we need as President.

The disfunctionality I see is mostly at the ends of the political spectrum, particularly on the right. A group that clings to ideology, refusing to compromise when such could address real issues, is disfunctional. Even worse, when said group is invested in slander, lies and deception, is not only disfunctional but a destructive force. For example, wide disemmination of urban myths (lies) involving slander is one manifestation.

Claim: Editorial from the Prague newspaper Prager Zeitungon criticizes those who voted for Barack Obama
[URL]http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/pragerzeitungon.asp[/URL]

"Prince of fools". Fake "quote of the century"
[URL]http://thoselegends.blogspot.com/2012/09/prince-of-fools-fake-quote-of-century.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]But I'm also the president of the world's oldest constitutional democracy. So even though I possessed the authority to order military strikes, I believed it was right, in the absence of a direct or imminent threat to our security, to take this debate to Congress.

President Obama, September 10, 2013[/QUOTE]
Sorry Punter, but Obama would know better than you. The term "Republic" or "Constitutional Republic" alone does not indicate whether the people have any say in their government. Using only "Democracy" as well (as I have done) isn't fully accurate either since it does not indicate if there exists a set of laws governing the democracy, such as a Constitution. So a term like "Constitutional Democracy" is more accurate. Or "Democratic Republic" if you like.

[QUOTE=Punter127;435628]

People who support military action at this time appear to fall into one of two groups, warmongers, or boot licking, ass kissing, Obama zombies, which are you?

[/QUOTE]Boot licking, ass kissing Obama zombie. It's fascinating to see Black Shirt and Esten aligned with the neoconservatives and the Wall Street Journal editorial page - [URL]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323623304579056823678968760.html[/URL].

Since he couldn't get the support of other nations, Congress, or the American public for military action, Obama's position appears to be moderating. This morning he was saying sensible things about Syria on This Week with George Stephanopoulos. Look for Black Shirt's and Esten's positions on this issue to change accordingly.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt;435627]
The rest of you are just playing politics, as usual. It's about the next elections, you know....It seem the Far Right woke up yesterday and saw the staircase to heaven. When Bush wanted to go to Iraq, they couldn't get their boots on fast enough....
Yeah, how soon we forget! If nothing else, I support the Presidential office, and the Commander-in-Chief.[/QUOTE]

Do you see the irony? There are those of us who opposed going into Iraq. But because we don't support Obama's positions on issues about which we believe strongly, like Syria, we're trying to undermine the presidency? You appear to be willing to accept what Obama comes out with, especially if you think the issue will result in more votes for Democrats in the next election. Which is why you will change your position on Syria, because the idea of bombing the country is becoming less and less popular with voters.

[QUOTE=Esten;435640]
"Prince of fools". Fake "quote of the century"
[URL]http://thoselegends.blogspot.com/2012/09/prince-of-fools-fake-quote-of-century.html[/URL]

[/QUOTE]Regardless of where it came from it's true, and applies to people who elect candidates like Obama, the Kirchners and the Papandreous.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;435641] But because we don't support Obama's positions on issues about which we believe strongly, like Syria, we're trying to undermine the presidency? [/QUOTE]In 5 years, I have yet to see one issue you agree with Obama. On top of it, he is socialist or communist! And many things more according to our Head of Constitutional Studies.

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;435645]In 5 years, I have yet to see one issue you agree with Obama. On top of it, he is socialist or communist! And many things more according to our Head of Constitutional Studies.[/QUOTE]Personally, I thought he did the right thing in signing the CALM Act.

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Advertisement_Loudness_Mitigation_Act[/URL]

Now you can't accuse me of disagreeing with EVERYTHING Obama has done.

Thanks,

Jackson.

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;435645]In 5 years, I have yet to see one issue you agree with Obama. On top of it, he is socialist or communist! And many things more according to our Head of Constitutional Studies.[/QUOTE]Then you missed my support for appointing Kerry as Secretary of State instead of Susan Rice, agreeing not to prosecute pot smokers in Colorado and Washington, and initially negotiating with Boehner in good faith to decrease the deficit in 2011. I admit my "praise" was lukewarm on the first two points, but I was enthusiastic about the third. I think I even compared Obama to Nixon when he normalized relations with China. Unfortunately, political considerations and his impulse to pursue class warfare outweighed doing the right thing, and negotiations broke down.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;435647]Then you missed my support for appointing Kerry as Secretary of State instead of Susan Rice, agreeing not to prosecute pot smokers in Colorado and Washington, and initially negotiating with Boehner in good faith to decrease the deficit in 2011. I admit my "praise" was lukewarm on the first two points, but I was enthusiastic about the third. I think I even compared Obama to Nixon when he normalized relations with China. Unfortunately, political considerations and his impulse to pursue class warfare outweighed doing the right thing, and negotiations broke down.[/QUOTE]Very funny, if I didn't think you & Jackson were dead serious. Like saying, your tie pin is nice, just throw out the suit & tie. Next complain will be Obama's pee flow is too loud.

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;435645]In 5 years, I have yet to see one issue you agree with Obama. On top of it, he is socialist or communist! And many things more according to our Head of Constitutional Studies.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Punter127;435354] However I think Obama did the right thing sending it to congress, [snip][/QUOTE] You only ask for one. lol

BTW how many times have you disagreed with Obama?

I almost forgot, I agreed with his 2007 statement as well;.

[QUOTE=Punter127;435354]

In 2007 Obama said [B]"The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation,"[/B] I agree with his statement [snip][/QUOTE]His words not mine!

[QUOTE=Esten;435640]
Sorry Punter, but Obama would know better than you. The term "Republic" or "Constitutional Republic" alone does not indicate whether the people have any say in their government. Using only "Democracy" as well (as I have done) isn't fully accurate either since it does not indicate if there exists a set of laws governing the democracy, such as a Constitution. So a term like "Constitutional Democracy" is more accurate. Or "Democratic Republic" if you like.[/QUOTE]This is so absurd it's really not worthy of a reply, but since it's you I will; The discussion is not about the people having a voice in their government, they have a voice in both types of government and even in this third type you have now added, it's about what type of government we (technically) have.

In support of my arguments I point to the Declaration of Independents, the United States Constitution, and the Federalist Papers. In opposition you offer one statement by Obama. Do you really want to talk about how many times Obama has misspoke, do you really want to open that can of worms?

So who should we believe our Founding Fathers or Obama?

[QUOTE=Punter127;435657]I point to the Declaration of Independents[/QUOTE]jejejejeje

[QUOTE=Esten;435658]jejejejeje[/QUOTE]We normally don't grade on typographical errors here. But I guess if that's all you got, you go with it.

[QUOTE=Esten;435466]Republicans want people to be poor or unemployed or totally dependant on the rich man.[/QUOTE]Jajajajaja.

[QUOTE=Punter127;435628]But be careful what you wish for because this could easily lead to WW III. If you don't believe that just look at movements of both Russian and US forces in the last few weeks, and then consider the huge egos at play here.Make no mistake, Russia controls Syria and they will not give up that control easily. This situation could very easily escalate, this is nothing like Libya.[/QUOTE]

And if you were my accountant & saw my financial picture, you would be predicting my self destruction. But I am doing fine & enjoying my life under the poverty line. The real things in life are actually free, you could sing, dance & have sex for free(in my case, with one self). OK, they did not teach you that in school. How about fresh air, beautiful butterflies, colorful flowers, a faithful dog. Ok, you were not a flower child. Actually, I wasn't one either. In my culture, you could be a flower child only after you finish engineering school. And I flunk college.

Evil triumphs when people choose to look the other way. Sure, we cannot cure or solve every problem with force. Obama knew that Americans were sick of foreign campaigns, but he also wanted the world to know what America stands for. His leadership despite the crumbling Brits, cheating French, cowardly Italians, emotionless Germans, looking-the-other-way Chinese, was able to make Putin come to the table for the time being. It is not over yet, but Obama make masterful moves to allay opposition on the home front(the table is very full) and make American stand tall in the international community.

Russia host the Winter Olympics this coming Winter, they will not want anything to overshadow the festivities. In Sochi on the Black Sea, just a hop-step & jump from Syria. World War III awaits? I feel no need to do any confessing to the priest yet.

Caveat: my insulting of certain nationalities was committed under temporary insanity.