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Stud_Lee:
I have never posted to the BA board, or been there for that matter, but, much like you, have read this board with great enthusiasm and am locking down a trip before year's end. I sincerely applaud the efforts of people like Saint, drgn, Otto, jamesbond, hulk, starfe, etc. for their efforts to inform others of the fun-filled opportunities available in BA--we should all be extremely thankful to them and respect their already significant contributions. Anyway, and no offense intended here, I don't think it is the responsibility of others on this board to convince you as to the merits of BA vs. Rio vs. SP vs. whatever. All of the cities you mention have fairly active boards, with lots of great information, and thus should help you draw independent and fairly thorough conclusions. Others may disagree with me, and I will applaud their response and patience with your "sell me on BA" perspective, but one could perceive your post to be somewhat obnoxious. You may be better served asking more tightly defined questions that interest and/or concern you rather than keeping your questions/concerns entirely open-ended.
Fred
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stud_lee,
"Some black friends of mine went and hated it they thought the people there were racist."
I read this article awhile back that may explain a little of why your friends thought people there were racist:
http://travel.yahoo.com/t/destinations/south_america/argentina/buenos_aires/60895.html
EZE
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Thoughts on racism in Argentina......
I have had some interesting conversations with my favorita on this topic. She tells me there is a practical reason why many chicas are reluctant to see black men as clients: Fear of HIV/AIDS.
Many chicas know that black men from Africa, Haiti, and the Dominican Republic have very high rates of infection. They are also quite aware that among Americanos black men are more likely to have HIV than are whites, hispanics, or Asians.
Chicas are also aware that men from certain parts of Asia have high rates of infection and are hesitant to date Asian men other than those from China or Japan.
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EZE_amante,
That is such a good link and story. If you go back to the archives from my first trip you will see that I mentioned black's are few and far between in Buenos Aires just like the reporter mentioned.
I know some dudes that are black that go down there now. I think they will be quick to tell you that they truly are looks of amazement. The people down there might stare because it's a rarity. One guy I was hanging with (he can post and tell you the story if he wants) was in a restaurant. This guy is a young guy that is fairly tall. Well... as they were eating in a restaurant a little girl started staring at him and pointing. She was talking in Spanish and apparently said..."look grandpa...it's that guy from TV". The little girl thought he was a movie star or someone famous..
I hung out with this dude for a few days and I never noticed any 'racism'. In restaurants, in the boliches, out in public. I did ask my chica friends if girls have any hesitation about leaving with black dudes. She said the only hesitation most have is because their darker clients have umm...larger you know whats. Ha, ha. These girls pray that every client is hung like a fly.
Also, I read what Ezy posted about Asian dudes. I also hung with Asian dudes and man...if they have any hesitation I sure didn't see it. In fact, they were tagging the hotties on the trips I was on. As I posted before, no matter what your skin color, ethnicity, religion, age, etc. I think any guy could score a good time in Buenos Aires.
I agree 100% with Fred Flintstone. If one isn't sold on going to BA for it's own merits than so be it. When I decided on a location...I did all my research, read all the posts, and then decided. I'm going to Rio for a week in January after my BA trip. I will post a detailed comparison once i return.
Lastly, remember that I'm a rookie when it comes to BA. There are guys that have been there way more times, maybe seen more girls, been to more places. I'm just a guy that can type fast and likes to share information. I'm certainly NO expert on BA. I just love it.
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Some words about "racism" in Argentina:
1) White Argentines exert more discrimination to mildly dark skinned people than to dark black people.
As in many South American countries (such as Colombia), in Argentina the descents from Europeans make up the upper social class, while the lower classes are made up of a mixture of native South American blood mixed with European blood and/or black blood. That said, there is more racism based on income and cultural isues than on skin color.
When a mildly dark skinned man strolls a rich neighborhood in Buenos Aires, he elicits the same level of fear and awareness than an African American in a white neighborhood of any major metropolitan city in the US. Many think that he is there to rob or harm someone.
Truly blacks are rare in Argentina, specially after the Yellow Fever epidemics in the 1870s that killed most of the black population in Buenos Aires. When people see an African American in the streets of BA, they react as the 2 girls in the article that EZE_amante brought.
2) There is some evidence that Argentine "Racism" has to do more with income than any other reason. Usually, the people who show the most contempt to mildly dark skinned ones are police and military officers who have the same skin color (white police officers are less obsessive about this issue). It seems that they project the subliminal message "You are as poor and insignificant as I, so I can do whatever I want to you" instead of "I hate race mixing".
3) As many other Latin American countries, in which history is recent and institutions are weak, local have to build an identity from shallow ideas. One of these is "Argentina is the most European of all the Latin American countries". So we may overplay this role a little bit. Of course, when the country is in tatters, these ideas lose importance.
Hope this helps,
Andres
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Saint--great pics!
You really had a revolving harem down there! (That girl Marisol and Paola seem like gems.) The f-ing hotel must've really loved your act. Ha!
My pet obsession:
Just imagine what those lovely ladies would command in the USA! Not to mention how poor their attitudes would be!
Most of us on this board have dabbled with escorts in America and generally speaking--the expereices are wildly overpriced and flatout awful.
Since discovering the charms of Argentina, I have no inclination to use American escorts. I have been cured of that by the incredible chicas of Argentina.
Keep snapping those pics!
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Thx for the pics, Saint. Great taste! Just curious how many are enhanced?
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The Saints pics are great. Give you an idea of the quality down BA.
I rate Penelop Cruz a 10 and Barbara Bush a 1, so on the scale of 1-10 give the Saint harem an overall score of 7, with a couple of 5's and an 8 here and there.
Love to see a photo of a perfect 10, if anyone has one.
Bond, James Bond 69
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Glad you gents approve. That is just a sampling of the girls I saw. Some didn't let me take pictures, some I chose not to post, and some I forgot to post. I just wanted to give you a sample of the real life pictures of girls you can expect to find in Buenos Aires.
If you can't tell...yeah I like breasts! Real, fake...makes no difference to me as long as they are nice. Let's see. In the pictures I posted only 3 of them I think had implants. Paola, Marisol, Celia. I did see several other chicas from the clubs and internet that had implants. Most were pretty good. As I mentioned before... Kudos to their surgeons. Gifted chaps!
I know two girls from Playwoman that are getting implants within the next two weeks. Cost is 5100 pesos or roughly $1400 US. So by all accounts much cheaper than the US prices.
Jamesbond. Yeah...that is pretty close to my judging criteria too. I might give it a little higher score but my taste might be different than yours. That's another thing you guys need to realize. I think Penelope Cruz is hot but I wouldn't give her a 10. When reading posts keep all this in mind. Some guys that see a girl they think is hot...may be a dog to me. But just see the type of girl you like. Pretty much all types down there. I'm more into blondes.
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Hey Saint or other fellows:
Call it a dumb question but how can I look at the those photos?? I do not see any photos here and if I go to the archives, all I see is from a few countries but not those that you posted. Thanks to all of you.
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Saint: Great photos, but that wallpaper! Never mind the beds, I think Etoile is now off the menu. And I can guarantee that Sandy will be busy in November when I'm over for a month. BTW, anyone seen Lizzy of Platynum and Escorts-Argentina? Any reports welcome.
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Jose Marcia: Just click on the link in Saint's post.
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saint, enjoyed the pictures...you should see the smile on my face
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octatron asks about the non-pro scene. since i know others are also interested, i'm step out of scope here and make some comments.
i frequent the non-pro spots as much as the well-mentioned places.
on my last trip in sep, i hit asia de cuba, one of the more trendy spots (restaurant & club), located in puerto madero. it was thursday night, supposedly the best night there, and we had vip access. i was way bummed. much too old crowd for me (next to none 20-30 year olds), and no hotties.
last november i hit bash, and while it had a fair crowd, i expected a lot more. later that night, we hit rivera este. it was perfect. tons of quantity with plenty of quality. the place is huge, so the crowd is huge. get there by 11:30 to avoid a monster queue.
another night we went to dinner in palermo hollywood. the section where there is a 4 blk strip or so of restaurants. i was not impressed. after, we went in the directtion of east and south (towards downtown but to driving right), into a section of town that most all mid-blks was all two-story old buildings (many abandoned) with bars on windows, but on each corner had 2-3 little bars (not clubs) with crowds spilling into the outdoors. there were young (20-to-under-thirty) girls everywhere.
i don't know the name of this neighborhood, but i'm sure someone will post a follow up. this is a great, low-key area in the non-winter.
buenos aires news was the bomb in it's day (over 4 yrs ago), but not anymore (imho). same for most of costanero spots other than rivera estes. ymmv.
hope it helps.
btw, i'll be there in mid-oct, and our crowd will be splitting 50/50 the pro & non-pro nights spots i'm anticipating. so any update on the non-pro spots will be appreciated.
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Leo
Thanks for your info.
Saint,
Can we bribe you for the location for at least a couple of the girls?
:)
