Black

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Hi friend, obviously I agree and I accept your point of view, but from my side, I think I have totally normal standards and that here many men have very low standards about girls.

So why it was enough easy for me till now? I think it is only the problem where you go to search, search in the right places and you will be really surprised how many nice girls can give great service.

-For me after a week I can say overall quality is surely not good and when I am in holiday I like to go a place, as private flat in russia, where between 10-12 girls more half are really nice and not as here to have to work hard to find a nice one.

- man tons of girls options you have in every city of 12 millions of inhabitants, but I got many many options in Ufa and in Samara and they are village in comparison to BsAs.

-if you think here prices are so that cheap, lets take 200 pesos as example? (even if maybe the average price is 300 pesos.

200 pesos if I am right it is about 44 euro, right?

From here [url]http://www.photomodeli.ru/[/url]

I got in Piter so far as November 2008 so many girls and for the average price of 54 euro!

Friend, do not tell me that this 10 euro per chica is gonna to make all that big difference.

My last day in Samara I got a driver that pick to my flat, with 2 cars, 8 girls and I was mad, cause 5 of them were gorgeous for the price of 50 euro 60 minutes. Do you understand me?

- inexpensive city, yes, but I prefer to stay some days less but to get first quality pussies instead to stay long time and get tired to find one good girl.

Safe? Never felt unsafe in 45 days alone in Russia.

- if I have no money I stay at home, maybe it is only the problem that I live in Europe and before to come to Argentina I did not understand so well as now, that I live in a real heaven about quality and services of girls, now I know and believe me, I am very happy.[/QUOTE]My Friend, it seems that whatever you do in Argentina you are disappointed. I still plan on going there, I'm confident that I will find a passionate and gorgeous girl to have fun with.

I hope that you find what you're looking for out there somewhere,

Jack

[QUOTE=Jackjack1]My Friend, it seems that whatever you do in Argentina you are disappointed.[/QUOTE]Hi friend, but do you think it is me or it is Argentina? And it is NOT a million dollar question.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Hi friend, but do you think it is me or it is Argentina? And it is NOT a million dollar question.[/QUOTE]Honestly Luka, I think it's you, you are just used to a different kind of girl.

Jack

[QUOTE=Esten] I'd say odds are good they were simply fishing for (their cut of) a second drink, and would have magically switched to "we meant 600 pesos each" when the time to leave came (or in the hotel)

The chica drink prices are the hardest part to believe.[/QUOTE]I agree it becomes extremely expensive. But - theres no such thing in Black as "their cut" in drinks

[QUOTE=Jackjack1]Honestly Luka, I think it's you, you are just used to a different kind of girl.

Jack[/QUOTE]Different or better kind of girl Jack?

I know it seems it is me, but my question is how many here that like the girls in private, new port, cafe orleans, chekers, catoo's, hook, ness, madahos and black went before to Russia, Ukraina, Czech or Slovak Republic as I did from 1998?

You think it is me, it is ok you have different opinion, we are here to share our opinion, but at least I can compare girls from many different states and I saw that a girl 6' can be for some a 5' or a 7', but a girl 9' will be a 9' for many men.

P. S. And I was so well in Hungary, Latvia, Croatia, Slovenia, Spain, Greek, France, Austria and German too. So I am not "so" virgin anymore.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Different or better kind of girl Jack?

I know it seems it is me, but my question is how many here that like the girls in private, new port, cafe orleans, chekers, catoo's, hook, ness, madahos and black went before to Russia, Ukraina, Czech or Slovak Republic as I did from 1998?

You think it is me, it is ok you have different opinion, we are here to share our opinion, but at least I can compare girls from many different states and I saw that a girl 6' can be for some a 5' or a 7', but a girl 9' will be a 9' for many men.

P. S. And I was so well in Hungary, Latvia, Croatia, Slovenia, Spain, Greek, France, Austria and German too. So I am not "so" virgin anymore.[/QUOTE]Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, you may prefer Slavic girls?

Jack

Lukasek, good discussion. I can agree your standards are normal, because it is true all men would prefer to have 8's and 9's compared to less attractive women. Perhaps a better way to explain it is that men become used to the quality of chica they normally do business with. If a man rarely sees 8's and 9's he will not miss them and will be content with 7's. Or he may want better looking women but he decides it is too expensive or too much work to find them, so again he becomes content with a lesser quality. So I can understand if you are used to enjoying 8s and 9s in Europe and Russia, you will have some disappointment in Buenos Aires. However I still suspect that what you consider an 8-9, many of us will consider a 9-10.

The place in Russia you mentioned at 54 Euros per hour, with attractive women, I can believe. But I think that type of situation is not very common. And I think even less common to find that in an upscale night club where you can drink and talk with the chicas and spend time and make your choice (like Madahos or Black)

Tell me Lukasek - what city do you recommend to find a night club like Madahos or Black, full of beautiful women (8s and 9s) and with good prices. I would be very interested about such places. Because I know of some places like this in other countries, but they are expensive.

Lukasek, I totally agree that you have normal standards, but if you are looking only for the 9's and the 10's you better stay in europe than travel so far. In Germany for example you would easily find at least a few 9's in every huge FKK, and you can fuck each of these girls for 50 euros!

Nevertheless, altough I am a Aerman I do like BA very much and will be there in March / April for almost 5 weeks. But I do not come down there only for the women, that in fact wouldn't make much sense.

Can't wait to let the terrible winter time behind me!

Lueck Hoff

I went to Blacks last night to see if there was anything good.

I was severely let down. Besides the dancers there was only two girls I would have taken out. Lots of 5's and 6's. About 3 girls were 8+. Better quality is at the triangle.

I talked to one that was a big natural breasted spinner. She wanted 200USD, and would not even take pesos of a similar amount.

I would avoid this place, and I defiantly would not take someone there on business to get laid. There were a very really coyote ugly chicas in there.

Oh and something else funny. That one really ugly old chica that used to hang out at exedra and orleans that no body ever banged. Well she was streetwalking in Recoleta a block from blacks. Must be a dying last gasp for her.

Yes I agree totally. I would avoid this place. Quality hit the bottom - level zero, there are much less girls than usual and its not day of week-thing. This place died for now and must come back with some new great chicas.

They are imposing new rules on girls - she MUST come back after around 1hr (1 drink with customer) or around 2h (2 drinks) (good bye old times) and they don't have to go with anyone else same night - but - They have to stay in place to make it look --- Full of chicas!:D

Pretty clever idea unfortunately level is very low and they don't work good even as a background to meet any better one.

For now - again disappointed - avoid

I went in on Thursday night at about 4 am after being cockblocked on a Madahos dancer. I was hoping that the quality would have improved on the best mongering night of the week.

It did not. You could have put all the girls in there in any 100p or less privado in town and they would have looked at home.

Don't even waste your time walking here for a look. Take the 80p you would save and hit a privado.

If you feel that you must look you can save the entry fee by just walking past the door guy like you own the place. Its what I did for the free look.

On a side note, when I went in there I saw a girl that I had banged a few days earlier that I paid 170p, and she was happy. She was a friend of a friend. She told me she worked at Black, I did not believe her. She just was not that good looking. Turns out she does work there and gets 200USD from morons.

Gato, how much is the entrance fee if the "walk in like you own the place" tactic fails. Plus how much is it going to cost me to drink there. Not looking to drop 600 pesos for a so-so girl, shit I'm not looking to drop 600 on anything, but I think I got to check out. From the way its described, it sounds like a historic site.

[QUOTE=Quick78]From the way its described, it sounds like a historic site.[/QUOTE]Not historic, just undergoing some changes / (temporary) problems.

60-80 pesos will do (drink included), sometimes free (if they know you buy drink anyway)

Gentlemen,

I have been to Black's no less than 15 times in the last 5 years. I have never (ok once but she was a hot raving lunatic who was way out of control) had a bad experience and certainly some that still dance in my memory. I cannot believe that the place has been reported recently by my fellow mongering brotherhood as having gone to the bottom of the hill.

Please say it isnt so since I am returning to BA after a two year absence this coming April.

There was a guy named Daniel that used to run the place (or maybe he was a night manager only) and seemed to have the place well organized.

Gato:

Can you still tip out management to insure that girl stays for evening and does not have to return to the shark pool?

From a boliche standpoint, has Madahos completely eclipsed Blacks as the place to go for the best chicas assembled in one place?

Saddened,

Scott

[QUOTE=Alvear123]Gentlemen,

I have been to Black's no less than 15 times in the last 5 years. I have never (ok once but she was a hot raving lunatic who was way out of control) had a bad experience and certainly some that still dance in my memory. I cannot believe that the place has been reported recently by my fellow mongering brotherhood as having gone to the bottom of the hill.

Please say it isnt so since I am returning to BA after a two year absence this coming April.

There was a guy named Daniel that used to run the place (or maybe he was a night manager only) and seemed to have the place well organized.

Gato:

Can you still tip out management to insure that girl stays for evening and does not have to return to the shark pool?

From a boliche standpoint, has Madahos completely eclipsed Blacks as the place to go for the best chicas assembled in one place?

Saddened,

Scott[/QUOTE]Scott:

Most of the price police, er. Value mongers on this board won't set foot in Black. They claim that mongers get "financially abused" in such places, and no savvy monger worth his salt would willingly patronize such establishments. This may be one of the reasons your post hasn't garnered much response.

I'm probably one of the few remaining half-wits here who truly enjoys places like Black and Madaho's. Don't tell anyone, but I don't mind paying a bit more. Plus, I find this whole notion that service varies inversely with price is a bunch of rubbish. [Shhhhhhhh!] That's just me, though. Call me crazy.

That said, I've been in BA on three separate trips since last September and at least half a dozen times over the past two years. I've been to Black at least six separate nights over the past three trips. This is all a matter of opinion, of course, but I would say that Black definitely has declined and is a clear #2 to Madaho's at this point. Candidly, my opinion for the past two years has been that Black is second best, but until recently I would say that the point is arguable. I don't think the point is debatable any longer.

Rumor has it that about 1/3 of the Black inventory up and left in a huff. There was a dispute with Black management where management did not support a chica, or so the story goes. I can't confirm that, but it's internet lore at this point. I can confirm that, as of last January, there were clearly some chicas in Black who didn't belong there. The number of chicas also was down. This could have been because I was there during a normally slow period (third week in January) but my personal opinion is that the place has been on a steady decline for six months. If you haven't been there in two years, you may like what they've done to the stripper / dancer pole. It is now its own free-standing island. This greatly improves the flow of the place. Ironically, though, they've now got fewer chicas and patrons, so flow is less of an issue there.

Madaho's, too, has suffered a bit, and this is confirmed by the staff (non-chicas) working there. Recently, another member posted that chicas were being allowed to go home at 3:30 a. M. Rather than the customary 4:30 - 5:00 a. M. This past January, there clearly were fewer chicas in Madaho's, but I would guesstimate that this still translates into at least twice the population at Black. And, in my opinion, the Madaho's gals are a cut above. There are still stunners at both places -- there are just more at Madaho's right now and (my opinion again) the average Madaho's gal is better looking than the average Black gal.

Some of the up-and-coming Recoleta clubs, like La Lopez, are just graveyards now. There's no point in even bothering if you're looking for a high-end place with lots of variety, although there undoubtedly are a few gems still lurking in places like this.

Finally, the same internet rumor about the chicas leaving Black had this somewhat happy ending: That 1/3 of the Black population high-tailed it over to Hippopotamus. I have no experience with this boliche, and there are various negative reports on this board about efforts to regentrify the place. It seems they charge a lot for drinks, just like Black and Madaho's. Still, it may be worth checking out. I plan on doing so when I'm back there in April.

Good luck, and welcome back.