Obama holding 4 dueces, GOP holding aces & kings. Boehner knows he needs to fold, but Cruz, kamakazi style, wants to go all in. All principles, no common sense.
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Obama holding 4 dueces, GOP holding aces & kings. Boehner knows he needs to fold, but Cruz, kamakazi style, wants to go all in. All principles, no common sense.
[STRIKE]Nero[/STRIKE] Obama [STRIKE]fiddles[/STRIKE] golfs while [STRIKE]Rome[/STRIKE] USA burns.
Obama is the leader, it's his job to bring the sides together.
[QUOTE=Punter127;436046][STRIKE]Nero[/STRIKE] Obama [STRIKE]fiddles[/STRIKE] golfs while [STRIKE]Rome[/STRIKE] USA burns.
Obama is the leader, it's his job to bring the sides together.[/QUOTE]He can't do it.
He does not have, and never has had, the executive management skills necessary to be the chief executive of the largest organization in the world.
His failure in this case to bring both sides together and forge a compromise is simply the latest example of his appalling lack of leadership skills.
Of course, none of that matters to the LIV (Low Information Voter) who always votes for the politican who promises them the most free money.
In the mean time, the USA burns.
Thanks,
Jax.
[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436045]Obama holding 4 dueces, GOP holding aces & kings. Boehner knows he needs to fold, but Cruz, kamakazi style, wants to go all in. All principles, no common sense.[/QUOTE]It is the compromising of principles over the last 100 years that has brought us to this point.
Don B
You can't forge a compromise with someone who refuses to compromise. How does that work? You schmooze, wine and dine them, and somehow magically they agree to compromise? The Republicans / Tea Party think compromise means capitulation. They seem incapable of recognizing that in a divided government, holding power in only 1 of 3 branches, compromise is necessary.
Since they didn't get their way in the election, Republicans waited until now to manufacture a crisis, to try and force their way. They are holding much of the federal government hostage. If it was a company, and some employees were blocking the provision of the company's goods and services to get their way, the CEO would have them fired, if not arrested.
The Republican party is now ripping itself apart. A fight between the pure ideologues and those with more common sense. Obama and Dems just need to stand by and watch the infighting worsen. Think it's bad now, just wait until we breach the debt limit. All of this could have been avoided by some simple common sense and compromise a long time ago. As it stands now, we'll just have to let the consequences of rigid ideology play out.
NBC/WSJ poll, October 7-9, 2013
Barack Obama............ 47% Positive, 41% Negative, Diff 6
Democratic Party........ 39% Positive, 40% Negative, Diff -1
Republican Party......... 24% Positive, 53% Negative, Diff -29
Tea Party Movement... 21% Positive, 47% Negative, Diff -26
[QUOTE=Jackson;436047]Of course, none of that matters to the LIV (Low Information Voter)[/QUOTE]
Uh, that would be me. I voted for Obama and even supported the Affordable Care Act. I did so without even reading the fucking thing.
And now, we're all fucked. Because of people like me. Yup, I'll just come right out and say it: because of uninformed people like me -- people who were either too high, lazy or busy to read this piece of shit fucking bill that we supported -- we're all straight fucked. Well, not all. Some of you clever bastards figured out a way to begin a new life outside of sex prison in the land of abundant pussy.
But assholes like me are now forced to live with the consequences of our actions.
Here's why: the Affordable Care Act is neither affordable nor caring. It's a massive pig-fuck bloated piece of legislation that is the worst type of forced-socialism I have ever read. Yup, I actually read it. And then I got the letter. The letter that said because of provisions mandated by the ACA, my insurance was going up 128%. That's not a typo, one hundred twenty eight fucking percent. Why? Because insurance carriers (in my case Kaiser) are no longer allowed to offer catastrophic care coverage (perfect for the traveling ***** monger like myself). Instead, in order to comply with the ACA, they had to cover me with all sorts of care I couldn't give a shit about.
Don't believe me? Try logging onto www.healthcare.gov and be prepared to be violated wrongly. For a middle-class working Joe like me, you'll be shocked at how expensive healthcare has just become. Or WILL become after January 1, 2014, when many of the provisions come into effect.
So, to those of you who voted for Romney, and on behalf of the assholes like myself who voted for Obama, I'd like to apologize. Every day I'm reading on www.sfgate.com and other so-called "liberal" publications about how many Obama supporters are reeling with sticker shock on what the ACA really means. If you're a lazy, unemployed bum, this bill is for you. If you're a working-class American, be prepare for the shock of your life. My guess is the individual mandate and the penalties for non-compliance will be overturned. It's going to happen when taxpayers start to receive "the letter" from their carriers.
As an aside, most on this board would be surprised at how conservative San Francisco really is. Just check out the comments section of and article on sfgate (the online version of San Francisco's largest daily, The San Francisco Chronicle).
[QUOTE=Esten;436049]You can't forge a compromise with someone who refuses to compromise.[/QUOTE]Right. And it's on Obama this time. The compromise would have been to eliminate the individual mandate, and that would have ended this God damn thing dead in it's tracks. But that fucking cocksucker dug in his heels and is refusing to budge.
I swear to christ, I'm going to learn German and move to Frankfurt and open a shawarma stand. How hard could it be? At least I'll be getting laid instead of getting fucked.
Chezz, the vast majority of Americans have employer-sponsored health insurance and will see little difference. I have good health insurance, I get to keep it and my premiums aren't going up significantly more than they usually do each year. This will be the situation for most Americans. So your claim "we're all fucked" is pure emotion.
You are in a small slice of Americans that may see a big % jump in premiums. If you were buying a dirt cheap catastrophic plan, of course your premiums may go up, for the expanded coverage you mentioned. You didn't realize ACA had minimum coverage levels? And BTW, what does that 128% work out to anyway, $100 more a month? Depending on your income you may be eligible for subsidies. If not, is it really that much a hardship. I could be wrong, but you might come to appreciate some of the things you'll now have covered. The fact that you think the mandate and penalities may be overturned (won't happen) suggest to me you are still not following this too closely.
The ACA is here to stay and it's going to be more popular than some people think. Calling it a program that just helps lazy bums is ridiculous and simply doesn't wash with the large numbers of Americans that support it, or who oppose repeal. Sorry that you are getting hit, but if you dive into it there are many good things about the law.
P.S. You can't trust message boards, because amongst the valid, authentic posts are also tons of propaganda posts from right wingers. Poll numbers are a better reflection of public opinion than any message board/comments section.
[QUOTE=Esten;436052]Chezz, the vast majority of Americans have employer-sponsored health insurance and will see little difference. I have good health insurance, I get to keep it and my premiums aren't going up significantly more than they usually do each year. This will be the situation for most Americans. So your claim "we're all fucked" is pure emotion.
You are in a small slice of Americans that may see a big % jump in premiums. If you were buying a dirt cheap catastrophic plan, of course your premiums may go up, for the expanded coverage you mentioned. You didn't realize ACA had minimum coverage levels? And BTW, what does that 128% work out to anyway, $100 more a month? Depending on your income you may be eligible for subsidies. If not, is it really that much a hardship. I could be wrong, but you might come to appreciate some of the things you'll now have covered. The fact that you think the mandate and penalities may be overturned (won't happen) suggest to me you are still not following this too closely.
The ACA is here to stay and it's going to be more popular than some people think. Calling it a program that just helps lazy bums is ridiculous and simply doesn't wash with the large numbers of Americans that support it, or who oppose repeal. Sorry that you are getting hit, but if you dive into it there are many good things about the law.
P.S. You can't trust message boards, because amongst the valid, authentic posts are also tons of propaganda posts from right wingers. Poll numbers are a better reflection of public opinion than any message board/comments section.[/QUOTE]
Posts by left wing progressives are valid, those by others are right wing propaganda.
Is Esten immoral, amoral, hopelessly naive or just plain stupid?
Don B.
No Don, there are valid posts from both sides. But one side is also REALLY stacked with misleading information that can only be characterized as propaganda. I have witnessed this on many message boards / comments sections on the internet.
[QUOTE=Esten;436052]Chezz, the vast majority of Americans have employer-sponsored health insurance and will see little difference. [/QUOTE]You cannot make that assertion until the data is in. I've read the bill. The entire bill. And even employer-subsidized healthcare plans are going to take a big hit...just wait.
[QUOTE=Esten;436052]I have good health insurance, I get to keep it and my premiums aren't going up significantly more than they usually do each year. This will be the situation for most Americans.[/QUOTE]What do you mean, "most Americans"? Again, you have no data to go off of until after January 1. Most working Americans whose employers are offering health insurance subsidies will see a much big year-over-year increase.
[QUOTE=Esten;436052]So your claim "we're all fucked" is pure emotion.[/QUOTE]Well, you're right about that. It is pure emotion, and yet we're still fucked. Most people get emotional whilst getting fucked!
[QUOTE=Esten;436052]You are in a small slice of Americans that may see a big % jump in premiums. If you were buying a dirt cheap catastrophic plan, of course your premiums may go up, for the expanded coverage you mentioned. You didn't realize ACA had minimum coverage levels? And BTW, what does that 128% work out to anyway, $100 more a month?[/QUOTE]Dude, read the bill then get back to me. My increase was waayyy more than $100, and I didn't have dirt cheap catastrophic coverage. I paid a hefty premium, thank you very much.
[QUOTE=Esten;436052]Depending on your income you may be eligible for subsidies.[/QUOTE]Never taken a handout, and not starting now. I can take care of myself.
[QUOTE=Esten;436052]If not, is it really that much a hardship. I could be wrong, but you might come to appreciate some of the things you'll now have covered.[/QUOTE]You said it -- you're wrong. And why can't I make that decision on what I want covered?
[QUOTE=Esten;436052]The fact that you think the mandate and penalities may be overturned (won't happen) suggest to me you are still not following this too closely.[/QUOTE]This quote suggests you don't know me, what the fuck I'm doing in my spare time and how I feel about how my tax dollars are being spent.
[QUOTE=Esten;436052]The ACA is here to stay[/QUOTE] Heh-heh...that's what you think.
[QUOTE=Esten;436052]Calling it a program that just helps lazy bums is ridiculous and simply doesn't wash with the large numbers of Americans that support it, or who oppose repeal. Sorry that you are getting hit, but if you dive into it there are many good things about the law. P.S. You can't trust message boards, because amongst the valid, authentic posts are also tons of propaganda posts from right wingers.[/QUOTE]It is indeed a program that primarily helps the poor; which includes a huge subset of lazy bums that now feed off the system while contributing nothing in return. And the only message boards I read are this one and the ISG, because I'm more interested in pussy than having long drawn-out conversations with strangers. At least on this board, people with common interests actually meet in real life and share some good times.
[QUOTE=Esten;436052]Poll numbers are a better reflection of public opinion than any message board/comments section.[/QUOTE]Because people getting polled haven't felt the cold, hard steel us the US Department of Health & Human Services ramming it up their ass to grab even more of their hard-earned cash.
Esten, I believe in paying taxes and am quite liberal in nature. But I also know when to call a spade a spade. Agreeing 100% with the party line isn't healthy. There has to be someone who steps out from the shadows and says "hey boss, you're going overboard here". And while there are absolutely some positive benefits of the ACA, forcing certain types of coverage and the individual mandate were an over-reach. These provisions are going to get smoked...just watch. There are more liberals like me than you think.
Before, it was someone else getting screwed, now it's you. And tomorrow, it's your mother-in-law. But lucky me.
I just used Kaiser Permanente in LA only a few weeks ago. Everything was the same for me, $5 co payment for all procedures under my employer subsidized plan. And will continue under Medicare & ACA. Smooth entry, very well lubricated. But I did read that premiums can range widely even in the same city, somewhat like car insurance. A friend of mine was already paying close to $1000 a month for single coverage before ACA. I will check with him about his new premiums, but he did not bring this issue up. No distress or outrage.
I don't claim to have read the bill, or understand all the implications. The law is not perfect, because one side totally rejected it and was not willing to discuss it. It was passed under the emotional rhetoric of socialism vs capitalism and all the political shit that goes with it. Whose fault is is it? Everyone's, you & me, and your mother-in-law.
[QUOTE=Chezz;436055]
Dude, read the bill then get back to me. My increase was waayyy more than $100, and I didn't have dirt cheap catastrophic coverage. I paid a hefty premium, thank you very much.
.[/QUOTE]Hey, count yourself lucky. My health insurance company is cancelling all policies in my state effective December 31,2013. And you're insured by Kaiser, who from what I've read offers high quality, low cost health care by USA standards.
Health care costs, especially the cost of Medicare and Medicaid, look like they're going to play a big part in bankrupting the country. My impression is that the Affordable Care Act will get us there that much faster, but I haven't read the legislation. Being one of the few that have actually read it, do you believe it will lower costs? Improve quality?
[QUOTE=Esten;436049]
NBC/WSJ poll, October 7-9, 2013
Barack Obama............ 47% Positive, 41% Negative, Diff 6
Democratic Party........ 39% Positive, 40% Negative, Diff -1
Republican Party......... 24% Positive, 53% Negative, Diff -29
Tea Party Movement... 21% Positive, 47% Negative, Diff -26[/QUOTE]Adolph Hitler had high approval ratings in 1930's Germany, as would have Lenin around 1918. Not that Obama is in the same league with either. However, as a believer in big government, big spending, big deficits, and high taxes, he's wrong.
I grudgingly respect Obama for actually believing in something, unlike some of his colleagues like Pelosi and Schumer who consistently sell out to the highest bidders. I however have much more respect for the Tea Party, for believing in something, for willingness to take unpopular positions, and for being right. Unfortunately, I fear they're currently on a suicide mission.
[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436056]Before, it was someone else getting screwed, now it's you. And tomorrow, it's your mother-in-law. But lucky me.
I just used Kaiser Permanente in LA only a few weeks ago. Everything was the same for me, $5 co payment for all procedures under my employer subsidized plan. And will continue under Medicare & ACA. Smooth entry, very well lubricated. But I did read that premiums can range widely even in the same city, somewhat like car insurance. A friend of mine was already paying close to $1000 a month for single coverage before ACA. I will check with him about his new premiums, but he did not bring this issue up. No distress or outrage.
I don't claim to have read the bill, or understand all the implications. The law is not perfect, because one side totally rejected it and was not willing to discuss it. It was passed under the emotional rhetoric of socialism vs capitalism and all the political shit that goes with it. Whose fault is is it? Everyone's, you & me, and your mother-in-law.[/QUOTE]Not socialism vs capitalism. We are well on the road to Fascism and the system we have not is not capitalism but a mixed economy.
Fault, not mine I have been fighting the March towards totalitarianism in this country longer then most of you have been alive.
Don B