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What we need is a second party, I don't know how many years ago I said this.
Don B
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What we need is a second party, I don't know how many years ago I said this.
Don B
[QUOTE=DonB;436059]Not socialism vs capitalism. We are well on the road to Fascism and the system we have not is not capitalism but a mixed economy.
Fault, not mine I have been fighting the March towards totalitarianism in this country longer then most of you have been alive.
Don B[/QUOTE]You wouldn't know fascism from a month end sale at Macy's. Talk about suffering from a persecuted mentality. Unless you are black, and live in Mississippi in the 50's, stop talking like you know what fascism is. And no, I am not mixing fascism with racism. They are join at the hips.
Talking out of your ass!
[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436063]You wouldn't know fascism from a month end sale at Macy's. Talk about suffering from a persecuted mentality. Unless you are black, and live in Mississippi in the 50's, stop talking like you know what fascism is. And no, I am not mixing fascism with racism. They are join at the hips.[/QUOTE]Just WTF qualifies you to speak about being black in Mississippi in the 50's? Are you black? Was you in Mississippi in the 50's? Hell have you ever even been to Mississippi? Do you know which political party was in control in Mississippi in the 50? (hint: Democrat) Do you really think blacks are the only people that have ever had to deal with fascism?
Here's a black guy that thinks "Obamacare is really the worst thing that has happened to this nation since slavery'.
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVvz7o6CDls[/URL]
[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436063]You wouldn't know fascism from a month end sale at Macy's. Talk about suffering from a persecuted mentality. Unless you are black, and live in Mississippi in the 50's, stop talking like you know what fascism is. And no, I am not mixing fascism with racism. They are join at the hips.[/QUOTE]
And you are just plain stupid.
Don B
[QUOTE=Punter127;436067]Talking out of your ass!
Just WTF qualifies you to speak about being black in Mississippi in the 50's? Are you black? Was you in Mississippi in the 50's? Hell have you ever even been to Mississippi? Do you know which political party was in control in Mississippi in the 50? (hint: Democrat) Do you really think blacks are the only people that have ever had to deal with fascism?
Here's a black guy that thinks "Obamacare is really the worst thing that has happened to this nation since slavery'.
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVvz7o6CDls[/URL][/QUOTE]I did drive through Mississippi in the 80's. Yes, I know all about Ben Carson. We belong to the same tiny Christian denomination. We probably agree on about 80% of the issues. But ObamaCare is not one of them. He and I are beneficiaries of the same health care system that is out of control in terms of cost. He was probably not overpaid but I sure was.
[QUOTE=DonB;436068]And you are just plain stupid.
Don B[/QUOTE]But looks can be deceiving.
[BLUE]Hey guys,
Please throttle this down a little.
Thanks,
Jax[/BLUE]
[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436063]You wouldn't know fascism from a month end sale at Macy's. Talk about suffering from a persecuted mentality. Unless you are black, and live in Mississippi in the 50's, stop talking like you know what fascism is. And no, I am not mixing fascism with racism. They are join at the hips.[/QUOTE]
OK, for the sake of the argument lets say I don't know what Fascism is. So how about defining it for me. While you are at it also define racism. For good measure toss in what Fascism, Socialism, Communism, Christianity, Islam and a few other isms have in common and while you are at it cite the origin of that.
Your answer is eagerly awaited.
Don B
[QUOTE=DonB;436091]OK, for the sake of the argument lets say I don't know what Fascism is. So how about defining it for me. While you are at it also define racism. For good measure toss in what Fascism, Socialism, Communism, Christianity, Islam and a few other isms have in common and while you are at it cite the origin of that.
Your answer is eagerly awaited.
Don B[/QUOTE]I made my point. You don't like it, too bad. You reacted, and now it's time to move on. I don't have to write a doctoral dissertation for your satisfaction. You believe in what you know, you don't need to prove anything to anybody on this board. Neither do I.
But perhaps, you would like tell us about your persecutions and sufferings under the so called perverted American liberties, and how your life has been restricted and shattered due the living under a growing fascist regime.
I was in the US recently. I know the government know everything about me. But so do the credit companies. So what! I have nothing to hide. I pay my taxes, I enjoyed my visit. Immigration was very friendly. Everything went well. The socialized medical coverage I have is the best in the world. I had peace of mind knowing that. Did not run into anybody who wanted to hurt or rob me. Must be lucky, but maybe it's where I choose to go to spent my time. And of course, somebody upstairs watching out for me.
Life is what you make of it. There you go, that's as conservative a value as you can get.
P.S. Will do, Jax
[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436092]I made my point. You don't like it, too bad. You reacted, and now it's time to move on. I don't have to write a doctoral dissertation for your satisfaction. You believe in what you know, you don't need to prove anything to anybody on this board. Neither do I.
But perhaps, you would like tell us about your persecutions and sufferings under the so called perverted American liberties, and how your life has been restricted and shattered due the living under a growing fascist regime.
I was in the US recently. I know the government know everything about me. But so do the credit companies. So what! I have nothing to hide. I pay my taxes, I enjoyed my visit. Immigration was very friendly. Everything went well. The socialized medical coverage I have is the best in the world. I had peace of mind knowing that. Did not run into anybody who wanted to hurt or rob me. Must be lucky, but maybe it's where I choose to go to spent my time. And of course, somebody upstairs watching out for me.
Life is what you make of it. There you go, that's as conservative a value as you can get.
P.S. Will do, Jax[/QUOTE]
I am really dumb, just what point did you make?
Don B
[QUOTE=DonB;436059]Not socialism vs capitalism. We are well on the road to Fascism and the system we have not is not capitalism but a mixed economy.
Fault, not mine I have been fighting the March towards totalitarianism in this country longer then most of you have been alive.
Don B[/QUOTE]Don, Would you apply this just to the economy? Or do you also believe the USA, like Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's Germany, is imperialistic, nationalistic and militaristic?
I do see that Obama, like the fascist dictators, believes businesses and people should serve the government, and not vice versa. Actually, reading about the Fascist Manifesto on Wikipedia, it sounds a little like the Democrat Party platform: "The Manifesto supported the creation of an eight-hour work day for all workers, a minimum wage, worker representation in industrial management, equal confidence in labour unions as in industrial executives and public servants, reorganization of the transportation sector, revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance, reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55, a strong progressive tax on capital, confiscation of the property of religious institutions and abolishment of bishoprics, and revision of military contracts to allow the government to seize 85% of their profits."
I Told you About This Thread.
You will make more people hating you, than friends.
That is Not Very Good Business.
Politics and Sex Do Not Mix!
Or Religion.
P.S. Kill out The Cararas Lists and Medellin Lists, Also Maracaibo, VE
I am Working, you are Not.
[QUOTE=Jackson;436085][BLUE]Hey guys,
Please throttle this down a little.
Thanks,
Jax[/BLUE][/QUOTE]
When you look in the mirror, what do you see?
A healthy man, physically, mentally & spiritually? How many kinds of pills are you popping? Are you sleeping well? Do you have pain? If you do not have health, you have nothing, regardless of how much money you have.
Let's be honest, the American life style (being copied around the world) leads to many excesses that culminates in poor health, often, at an early age. By middle age, looking around, a great majority is taking some kind of drug. Drugs, of course, can prolong your life. But by then, you are a prisoner of the system, a system controlled by the pharmaceutical companies and the medical industry. Doctors are trained to give you drugs, it gives you instant relief and huge profits to the system. A great combination that is hard to escape. I heard that doctors do not have a longer life span than non-doctors despite their knowledge & training.
American life style is also a combination of fast food & packaged food. Convenient, tasty for both the busy & lazy. Brilliant business concepts, one that most of the population are entrapped, willingly of course. Large fries, anyone? Double double? The assembly line being prep for the shark infested health industry.
And lurking to strike at this goldmine is the financial industry. With costs spiraling every day, a lucrative alliance is being forged in every doctor, dentist, hearing aid center, pain clinics, etc, between the American health care & American finance. CareCredit, a subsidiary of GE says, "when the economy gets worse, our business gets better". APR of up to 30% and late fees, collection agencies prey on the weak & vulnerable. Another one way into another big trap.
Perhaps to be continued. I have a headache, I'll swallow some Advil, washed down with Pepsi.
Chezz, You sound more like an independent, or at most lean left. But no way are you a liberal, based on what you wrote. For example, liberals do not use standard conservative talking points about huge numbers of lazy people feeding off the system. No doubt there is indeed such a subgroup, but whether it's "huge", or representative, somehow never gets backed up by numbers. I've asked folks on this board before to support such claims and they never can. Like conservatives, liberals do not like leeches who contribute nothing. However, a liberal believes most of the unemployed and working poor are decent people, who work hard (or will) to make ends meet, and if possible, get ahead. Instead of focusing on lazy bums we focus on those who finally will be able to afford good health insurance, or even get it in the first place because before they were shut out by insurance companies. Here's one story. The conservative storyline that Dems give people free stuff to buy votes is 1000% bullshit.
Millions Previously Denied Insurance Coverage Because Of Health Problems Look To Online Marketplaces
[URL]http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2013/october/01/preexisting-condition-consumers-insurance-obamacare-marketplaces.aspx[/URL]
Interesting you state I don't have any data to draw conclusions, but you've gone ahead and drawn your own anyways. Show me where it says in the ACA that everyone will see a big premium increase, and I'll eat my words. I don't believe you read the entire bill. It's something like 2500 pages, even I didn't read the entire thing. But I know the main features, including that the whole thing essentially falls apart without the mandate. So your suggestion that this "provision" could just be removed tells me you still don't fully understand the law.
I suspect you will in fact take any subsidies you are eligible for. If you don't get it upfront, it will play out on your tax return as a tax credit. If you take advantage of standard or itemized deductions, if eligible why would you not also take advantage of the ACA tax credit to reduce your taxes.
You still have a choice of what level of coverage you want, but the minimum floor has been raised. Why can't you choose to have less, and pay less? A fair question. That is just how it's designed, setting a minimum standard. For it to work it probably needs to work across the board, otherwise a lot of people would choose to pay less, making it more affordable for them, but less affordable for those who want the features. It's a similar concept to auto insurance.
Ha Ha!
The whole thing is tooo funny.
Except for the people out of work.