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What is the purpose of a debt ceiling if every time it is reached it is raised?
Sooner or later the creditors wll realize that they are loaning money in order to pay the interest on money already loaned, then there will actually be a debt ceiling.
Don B
[QUOTE=DonB;436111]What is the purpose of a debt ceiling if every time it is reached it is raised?[/QUOTE]Not exactly an answer to your question but helpful to get an idea of how it came to be and why it is always raised.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/history-lesson-why-did-congress-create-a-national-debt-limit/2013/01/13/21114db8-5db8-11e2-9940-6fc488f3fecd_blog.html
With the oncoming delays of SS payments, it looks like my lifestyle will be severely impacted. Can you guys help? Just a measly $10 from a 100 of you will be able to help me continue my poverty line existence and save me from the possibility of a 1 meal per day crisis. The good karma you will receive will ensure that you will have no erection problems in this life, as well as the next one in Pluto. And I promise to not insult anyone in the future.
May the God of a Thousand Erections be with you.
[QUOTE=DonB;436111]What is the purpose of a debt ceiling if every time it is reached it is raised?
Sooner or later the creditors wll realize that they are loaning money in order to pay the interest on money already loaned, then there will actually be a debt ceiling.
Don B[/QUOTE]I agree completely. Markets should set the debt ceiling rather than government. Somebody should make the motion to eliminate the debt ceiling. I strongly oppose default. Maintaining a strong credit rating should be a common goal of all elected.
The battle on what should be funded can continue.
[QUOTE=Esten;436103]If Chezz is a liberal, I'm Sarah Palin Chezz[/QUOTE]Nice to meet you, Sarah.
[QUOTE=Esten;436103]You sound more like an independent, or at most lean left.[/QUOTE]Exactly.
[QUOTE=Esten;436103]But no way are you a liberal, based on what you wrote[/QUOTE]What is it with you and labels? Why does everybody need to fit into some sort of box?
[QUOTE=Esten;436103]For example, liberals do not use standard conservative talking points[/QUOTE]So, my opinion has now been marginalized into simply a talking point? No liberal can have an opinion outside of the party line without being called a conservative? What kind of freedom is that? I couldn't care less about "standard conservative talking points".
[QUOTE=Esten;436103], a liberal believes most of the unemployed and working poor are decent people[/QUOTE]I also believe the working poor are decent people. My guess is that conservatives [I]also[/I] believe the working poor are decent people.
[QUOTE=Esten;436103]Instead of focusing on lazy bums we focus on those who finally will be able to afford good health insurance, or even get it in the first place because before they were shut out by insurance companies[/QUOTE]Not sure where you live, but here in California, nobody is denied medical care. Without being too geographically specific, free healthcare is already available to everyone.
[QUOTE=Esten;436103]Here's one story. The conservative storyline that Dems give people free stuff to buy votes is 1000% bullshit.[/QUOTE]Agree, but who [I]really[/I] believes that? And who gives a shit?
[QUOTE=Esten;436103]Show me where it says in the ACA that everyone will see a big premium increase, and I'll eat my words[/QUOTE]Where did I say everyone? That's the problem with toeing the party line, 100%. In your world, there's no room for independent thought. Based on anecdotal evidence, most working-class people will see a rate increase. And the FACT is, a citizen of the US will no longer have the choice of whether or not to purchase health insurance. It's just another tax, whether they like it or not.
[QUOTE=Esten;436103]I don't believe you read the entire bill. It's something like 2500 pages, even I didn't read the entire thing.[/QUOTE]Congratulations, you got me. I didn't read the entire 2500 pages. My guess is that neither did you, nor our representatives that voted for it.
[QUOTE=Esten;436103]But I know the main features, including that the whole thing essentially falls apart without the mandate. So your suggestion that this "provision" could just be removed tells me you still don't fully understand the law.[/QUOTE]And you enjoy jumping to conclusions. The fact of the matter is that not only is the individual mandate troubling, but so is the pre-existing condition (guaranteed issue) provision.
[QUOTE=Esten;436103]I suspect you will in fact take any subsidies you are eligible for. If you don't get it upfront, it will play out on your tax return as a tax credit. If you take advantage of standard or itemized deductions, if eligible why would you not also take advantage of the ACA tax credit to reduce your taxes.[/QUOTE]What kind of question is that? I follow the law. And whether or not I itemize or take the standard deduction come tax time is irrelevant. What [I]is[/I] relevant is whether or not I would live my life [I]gaming[/I] the system.
[QUOTE=Esten;436103]You still have a choice of what level of coverage you want, but the minimum floor has been raised. Why can't you choose to have less, and pay less? A fair question.[/QUOTE]No, it's a fucking great question, not simply a fair one. You can't simply side-step that question. It's the crux of the whole debate.
[QUOTE=Esten;436103]It's a similar concept to auto insurance.[/QUOTE]No, it's not like auto insurance. One has the choice of whether or not to purchase a car. This "insurance" is a must. You cannot opt out. Moreover, unlike car insurance, where if you're a bad driver you pay more, healthier people end up carrying a much higher burden. I already pay Medicare.- that's enough.
What's really sad is this is from 2011, which was the last time Congress and the White House played this stupid game. He's right, it's not the Repubs, it's not the Dems, its both and the corrupt system which has become American Politics.
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIcqb9hHQ3E[/URL]
Less than 2 days to go, the presents are already under X'mas tree. Will your wish come true? That's what you guys really wanted, right. I can hear the celebrations already. Please, please, don't play the blame game. No more excuses, no more victimization when you shoot yourself in the foot. Don't say the gun wasn't loaded!
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;436110]Ha Ha!
The whole thing is tooo funny.
Except for the people out of work.[/QUOTE]Hey WT,
Can you explain that cartoon?
It appears to be portraying ObamaCare as saving a patient, but that's exactly the opposite of what's happening.
Anyway, it looks like one of your typical, completely unintelligible parodies, but maybe I'm wrong.
Thanks,
Jax.
[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436114]With the oncoming delays of SS payments, it looks like my lifestyle will be severely impacted.[/QUOTE]Black Shirt,
You were fucked the day they started deducting SS from your 1st paycheck.
It's unfortunate that it took you all these years to figure that out.
My personal retirement plans do [U]NOT[/U] include any dependency on any government, but maybe that's just me.
Thanks,
Jax.
[QUOTE=Jackson;436121]Black Shirt,
You were fucked the day they started deducting SS from your 1st paycheck.
It's unfortunate that it took you all these years to figure that out.
My personal retirement plans do [U]NOT[/U] include any dependency on any government, but maybe that's just me.
Thanks,
Jax.[/QUOTE]And he wants to know which of my rights have been violated. I had to, not wanted too, get a SSN in 1941.
You all remember 1941 don't you?
Don B
[QUOTE=DonB;436122]And he wants to know which of my rights have been violated. I had to, not wanted too, get a SSN in 1941.
You all remember 1941 don't you?
Don B[/QUOTE]1941 eh. And then what happen?
America embarked on it's greatest era that mankind has seen. Yes, you suffered so much! The 2 cents they took from you was too much. Life was unbearable. Go head, tell me more.
[QUOTE=Jackson;436121]Black Shirt,
You were fucked the day they started deducting SS from your 1st paycheck.
It's unfortunate that it took you all these years to figure that out.
My personal retirement plans do [U]NOT[/U] include any dependency on any government, but maybe that's just me.
Thanks,
Jax.[/QUOTE]There's alot to learn about Self Dependency. It can even be said that it is the difference between winners & losers. But how are you going to get rich unless there is a big market of "losers". Oh yes, it has been said, that "behind every big fortune, is a crime". In America, unfortunately, many criminal activity have been made legal.
Ever since the masses started to trek from rural to urban centers for employment and a better life, government intrusion became a necessity. It's as simple as that. I don't know why that is so hard to understand. As you know, SS was born from the ruins of the Great Depression. That it is not funded correctly at this moment does not mean it is a disaster. It can be fixed, very easily, too. The inadequacies, the mess, is not on the people receiving SS, it is on the representatives in Washington that is funded by by Special Interests. Again, corruption made legal.
I won't go into why human behavior is not animal behavior. But I will save it for another day.
[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436126]
Ever since the masses started to trek from rural to urban centers for employment and a better life, government intrusion became a necessity.[/QUOTE]Black Shirt, what exactly makes government "intrusion" "necessary"? Just because a portion of our population moved from rural to urban centers does not make the case for more government intrusion into their lives and once the government began to intrude it most certainly did not stop at the urban city limits.
Regarding the social security system, had all the funds collected been set aside for that specific purpose instead of being placed in the General Fund for the pigs in Washington to spend the system would be in much better shape today. Another factor is all the "additional benefits" added to the program over the years which were never envisioned at the program's inception and again the fund would have been more solvent that it is today.
But this is only crying over spilled milk. The plan can be salvaged but many of the benefits will have to be reduced and in some cases terminated. When you consider the participation factor in the work force today I see no other way to remedy the problem.
We can not simply continue to print bogus money which fuels structural deficient or we will shortly become the next Argentina and then Greece. We need to put our fiscal house in order and the Democrats have no intention of doing that so long as they can buy votes with give away programs.
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;436127]Black Shirt, what exactly makes government "intrusion" "necessary"? Just because a portion of our population moved from rural to urban centers does not make the case for more government intrusion into their lives and once the government began to intrude it most certainly did not stop at the urban city limits.
Regarding the social security system, had all the funds collected been set aside for that specific purpose instead of being placed in the General Fund for the pigs in Washington to spend the system would be in much better shape today. Another factor is all the "additional benefits" added to the program over the years which were never envisioned at the program's inception and again the fund would have been more solvent that it is today.
But this is only crying over spilled milk. The plan can be salvaged but many of the benefits will have to be reduced and in some cases terminated. When you consider the participation factor in the work force today I see no other way to remedy the problem.
We can not simply continue to print bogus money which fuels structural deficient or we will shortly become the next Argentina and then Greece. We need to put our fiscal house in order and the Democrats have no intention of doing that so long as they can buy votes with give away programs.[/QUOTE]We need congressional term limits, we need electoral finance reforms. The country has been very sick for a long time. How do you teach people how to save when Big Business, Big Banks are tempting & encouraging people to stretch their credit to the limit. The Greed culture has taken over big time, dignity & shame have disappear.
Government Intrusion might have been the wrong term of what I wanted to say. World has change, population shifts have change. When people are living in very close proximity, there are just more regulations in general than in a rural setting, hence more government. Crime, safety, pollution, etc. And of course, there is the need for more funding for infrastructure and services, etc It is not just a simple world anymore, just read the front page of your local people. As I write this, Hannity is saying he is not a Republican, as he repeats the mantra that the American people are going to get screw by ObamaCare. Fearmongering at its best The joke is, why not let ObamaCare fall on its face. From repealing now to just delaying it, the Republicans have try to blame the fiasco to Obama. No leadership is another often cited accusation. No shame.
Win the elections, and you can do anything you want. I won't say a world.
The Fucking Tea Party and a few Republicans Lost!
And that also means some of the hard core Independents that do not know where they stand for Our County.
That means the King Crab Fishing that opened yesterday will now get there permits to Crab and make a living.
Most of their Crabs are sold world wild, Japan and China are the most buyers.
It is call World Wide Economics, that the Reptilians tried to kill and blame on Obama through their Racist politics.
They cost the growth of the country 25 billion dollars in loses.