American Politics during the Obama Presidency

You are Rich enough to not Need Health Care, and that you can use Argentina's Socialist Free Health Care.

Come on Tell Us that you Never Used It?

That You always Flew back to Florida for a medical check ups and all your teeth cleanings etcs., and that you never got those bad hair cuts from those cheap bad haircuts guys in B. A.? You saved what $10 or $15. Did You Tip Them?

[QUOTE=Jackson;436120]Hey WT,

Can you explain that cartoon?

It appears to be portraying [b]Affordable Health Care Act[/b] [b][i]Not the Racist Term,[/b][/i] ObamaCare as saving a patient, but that's exactly the opposite of what's happening.

Anyway, it looks like one of your typical, completely unintelligible parodies, but maybe I'm wrong.

Thanks,

Jax.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436128]We need congressional term limits, we need electoral finance reforms. The country has been very sick for a long time. How do you teach people how to save when Big Business, Big Banks are tempting & encouraging people to stretch their credit to the limit. The Greed culture has taken over big time, dignity & shame have disappear.

Government Intrusion might have been the wrong term of what I wanted to say. World has change, population shifts have change. When people are living in very close proximity, there are just more regulations in general than in a rural setting, hence more government. Crime, safety, pollution, etc. And of course, there is the need for more funding for infrastructure and services, etc It is not just a simple world anymore, just read the front page of your local people. As I write this, Hannity is saying he is not a Republican, as he repeats the mantra that the American people are going to get screw by ObamaCare. Fearmongering at its best The joke is, why not let ObamaCare fall on its face. From repealing now to just delaying it, the Republicans have try to blame the fiasco to Obama. No leadership is another often cited accusation. No shame.

Win the elections, and you can do anything you want. I won't say a world.[/QUOTE]At least we can agree on term limits and some type of campaign finance reform, but term limits would go a long way to solving the problem. Limit them to one term of 4 to 6 years, only one term at the state level and one at the federal level, with the additional caveat no consulting for 10 years from their last day in office. This would have the effect of limiting them to a total of 12 years max then they have to go back to work. No more professional politicians. It becomes too expensive for the special interests of Republican / Democrat to keep buying politicians and by the time they can hire them as consultants they are irrelevant.

Where I don't agree with you is the spending, no matter the enticement individuals make the decision to spend. No one is holding a gun to their head, so don't blame industries or businesses for individual choice and conduct.

I agree with you on ObamaCare as well, stop trying to defund it, let it go into effect and let the voters decide at the mid-terms in 2014. The websites are failing and people are already getting sticker shock from the new premiums.

By the way, both sides lie with ease about any issue and the politics of personal destruction runs riot on both sides of the isle. The first victim of politics is the truth.

[URL]http://www.amberpawlik.com/BorrowingAndPrinting.html[/URL]

An interesting article about the current mess.

Don B

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;436132]At least we can agree on term limits and some type of campaign finance reform, but term limits would go a long way to solving the problem. Limit them to one term of 4 to 6 years, only one term at the state level and one at the federal level, with the additional caveat no consulting for 10 years from their last day in office. This would have the effect of limiting them to a total of 12 years max then they have to go back to work. No more professional politicians. It becomes too expensive for the special interests of Republican / Democrat to keep buying politicians and by the time they can hire them as consultants they are irrelevant.

Where I don't agree with you is the spending, no matter the enticement individuals make the decision to spend. No one is holding a gun to their head, so don't blame industries or businesses for individual choice and conduct.

I agree with you on ObamaCare as well, stop trying to defund it, let it go into effect and let the voters decide at the mid-terms in 2014. The websites are failing and people are already getting sticker shock from the new premiums.

By the way, both sides lie with ease about any issue and the politics of personal destruction runs riot on both sides of the isle. The first victim of politics is the truth.[/QUOTE]

Until there is a fundamental change in ideas the trend towards Fascism will continue. With term limits we will mostly get just another group with the same corrupt philosophy.

The place to change the ideas is in the schools but as there is a government monopoly on education it is an uphill battle. The university faculties are predominately leftist, especially the philosophy department, so another battle. However, there is progress being made but I do not expect to see a reversal in my lifetime but maybe my granddaughters will.

Don B

[QUOTE=Jackson;436120]Hey WT,

Can you explain that cartoon?

It appears to be portraying ObamaCare as saving a patient, but that's exactly the opposite of what's happening.

Anyway, it looks like one of your typical, completely unintelligible parodies, but maybe I'm wrong.

Thanks,

Jax.[/QUOTE]It's pretty simple. The aims of the guy in the white lab coat are more in line with Josef Mengele's than Albert Schweitzer's. The elephant is toast.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;436131]You are Rich enough to not Need Health Care, and that you can use Argentina's Socialist Free Health Care.
Come on Tell Us that you Never Used It?
[/QUOTE]

WT69, Please note that Jackson has praised "Argentina's Socialist Free Health Care" system here, but noted that U.S. politicians don't have the gonads to try something similar.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;436131]You are Rich enough to not Need Health Care, and that you can use Argentina's Socialist Free Health Care.

Come on Tell Us that you Never Used It?

That You always Flew back to Florida for a medical check ups and all your teeth cleanings etcs., and that you never got those bad hair cuts from those cheap bad haircuts guys in B. A.? You saved what $10 or $15. Did You Tip Them?[/QUOTE]All that talk, and you still can't explain the meaning of your cartoon.

I just received the health insurance quote from my carrier for the new policy period beginning 12/01/13 and guess what it's 12% higher after a 10% increase from the prior year. What was that you were saying Mr. President about costs going DOWN? Since my healthcare carrier and all the carriers we reviewed don't give a damn about George Bush any more nor do they price to please Fox News I'm not sure what to make of this increase. Perhaps reality is catching up with the President's fantasy of "free" healthcare?

Obama was complaining about Fox News again regarding why so many people don't like ObamaCare here is Neil Cavuto's response, sorry WT69 no cartoon with this one.

[QUOTE]Subject: Fwd: Obama blames Fox News for 2/3 of Americans not liking Obamacare
Obama is blaming Fox News for 2/3 of the country disliking Obamacare. Here's Neal Cavuto's explanation and it is great. If you don't understand what is bad about ObamaCare please read his comments and you will understand.

Mr. President, Fox News isn't what's making Americans sick about your healthcare law. Your healthcare law is. Welcome, everybody, I'm Neil Cavuto. And excuse this departure from form. But I think this is just poor form. So, it's time we set some things straight.

Mr. President, we at Fox News are not the problem. I hate to break it to you, sir. You are. Your words are. Your promises are. We didn't sell this healthcare law. Sir, you did. Remember this?

President Barack Obama: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period.

Mr. President, tell that to tens of thousands of retirees at IBM and Time Warner and dozens of others, who've been dumped from their coverage and told to find their own coverage. Fox News didn't break that news to them, Mr. President. Their companies did.

Fox News didn't push more of those firms to hire part-time workers. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't incentivize fast food restaurants to scale back their benefits. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't make doctors want to opt out. Your healthcare law did. Fox News didn't make insurance premiums sky rocket. Your healthcare law did. Just like Fox News didn't grant hundreds of exemptions to companies that needed them. You did. And Fox News didn't delay one key provision after another, including online enrollment for those small business exchanges. You did.

Just like it wasn't Fox News that said we had to pass this to see what was in this. You did. Or was that Nancy Pelosi? Sometimes I'm confused. But of this I am not. Fox News didn't re-do basic math. Sir, you did. Fox News didn't say you can cover 30 million more Americans and not see a hit in premiums. You did. Fox News didn't say you could throw in those with pre-existing conditions and not have to pay for it. You did. Fox News didn't all but say you could get something for nothing. You did. Fox News didn't come back years later and say, oh yea, we did raise some taxes. You did.

Here's where you are right about Fox News, however, Mr. President. We can do math. And did. You cannot. And did not. We said it, and proved it. You didn't. And we're all suffering for it. Take it from the numbers guy at Fox. Numbers don't lie. The number of Americans working part-time and nervous. The number of retirees days away from being dumped on exchanges and anxious. The number of company bosses with any news to pass along on those exchanges, but still clueless. The number of doctors who want out. The number of congressmen now opting out. No, Mr. President, none of those numbers lie.

But with all due respect sir, I can only conclude you do know; I know, I know you hate us at Fox. But please take a look in a mirror, and fast. You think we're the skunk at your picnic. But that doesn't mean we're the ones that stink. Because that smell isn't coming from the folks reporting on your law. Mr. President, that smell is your law.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;436138]I just received the health insurance quote from my carrier for the new policy period beginning 12/01/13 and guess what it's 12% higher after a 10% increase from the prior year. What was that you were saying Mr. President about costs going DOWN? Since my healthcare carrier and all the carriers we reviewed don't give a damn about George Bush any more nor do they price to please Fox News I'm not sure what to make of this increase. Perhaps reality is catching up with the President's fantasy of "free" healthcare?

Obama was complaining about Fox News again regarding why so many people don't like ObamaCare here is Neil Cavuto's response, sorry WT69 no cartoon with this one.[/QUOTE]

Don't worry about your rates increasing. Once there was a discussion about government education on another forum, I had pointed out that not only were the students not receiving an education but that it was immoral to use force to fund these schools. I suggested that being good little altruists they should pay that part of my property tax bills that went towards funding government schools. Strangely that ended the discussion. However certainly that will not be the case here and, Black Shirt, et al will kick in the difference for you.

BTW, adjusted for inflation, in the 37 years in my current residence I have been looted of around $750,000 (slightly more than 2 cents) in property taxes. Of course not all went to the schools, much of the balance went towards very generous pension plans.

Don B

A woman went to her doctor for advice.

She told him that her husband had developed a penchant for anal sex, and she was not sure that it was such a good idea.

"Do you enjoy it?" The doctor asked.

"Actually, yes, I do," she answered.

"Does it hurt you?" he asked.

"No. I rather like it," she responded.

"Well, then," the doctor continued, "there's no reason that you shouldn't practice anal sex, if that's what you like, so long as you take care not to get pregnant.

The woman was mystified. "What? You can get pregnant from anal sex?

"Of course," the doctor replied. "Where do you think people like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Feinstein, Mayor Bloomberg, Chuck Schumer and Barak Obama came from?

TL.

Microsoft software wasn't perfect when it came out. It still needs work.

I am sure changes will be made to make the "Affordable Heath Care" work.

I am sure Argentina's Health Care System was not perfect when it came out.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;436135]It's pretty simple. The aims of the guy in the white lab coat are more in line with Josef Mengele's than Albert Schweitzer's. The elephant is toast.

WT69, Please note that Jackson has praised "Argentina's Socialist Free Health Care" system here, but noted that U.S. politicians don't have the gonads to try something similar.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;436141]Microsoft software wasn't perfect when it came out. It still needs work.

I am sure changes will be made to make the "Affordable Heath Care" work.

I am sure Argentina's Health Care System was not perfect when it came out.[/QUOTE]

I assume your first, for that matter, all computer purchases were voluntary, no penalty if you did not buy one.

It is not just that Obama-care will not work it is immoral.

OTH, if as many say, it was designed to fail, blame the free enterprise system and institute a single payer system for all then it will be a success, for the leftists, that is.

There was a letter in the local paper today extolling the virtues of Medicare. The man had some chest tumors that if not remove would have killed him. Then he goes on to say the biggest problem is overpopulation and something must be done about it. He may get his wish next time he needs something.

Don B

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;436141]Microsoft software wasn't perfect when it came out. It still needs work.

I am sure changes will be made to make the "Affordable Heath Care" work.

I am sure Argentina's Health Care System was not perfect when it came out.[/QUOTE]All that talk, and you still can't explain the meaning of your cartoon.

Next issue, immigration reform. Obama's bait that will make the Tea Party dive in kamakazi style again. They will try to nail Obama to the cross. You will hear language that will make your mother's face go pale. Is the same angry crowd again.

Once more, Obama is holding very good cards. The grand strategy to winning the mid terms in 2014. There is no way that the GOP will lose the house, right. Don't be so sure. You start that shit again that you try with ObamaCare, and you go all in. You will come out naked, with no money, no pants, and a limp dick. The GOP leadership knows it, but you guys in AP, do you know it?

Mongers-.

Why is there not more talk on this thread about how these pathetic, cowardly Republican congressional members manufactured this crisis and then didn't have the balls to hold their ground when Obama refused to negotiate? The fact that these self-proclaimed capitalist heroes could even bring the notion of default to the table (even more amazing as the US prints the very money it sells debt in, a rarity) shows they are nothing but a group of moronic redneck racists intent on simply doing anything they can to clash with Obama. Get ready for Hillary in 2016 and Corey Booker whenever Hillary is done.

Suerte,

Rock Harders.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;436138]I just received the health insurance quote from my carrier for the new policy period beginning 12/01/13 and guess what it's 12% higher after a 10% increase from the prior year. What was that you were saying Mr. President about costs going DOWN? Since my healthcare carrier and all the carriers we reviewed don't give a damn about George Bush any more nor do they price to please Fox News I'm not sure what to make of this increase. Perhaps reality is catching up with the President's fantasy of "free" healthcare?[/QUOTE]10% and 12%. Hmmm. And how much of that premium increase is due to the Affordable Care Act? You don't know do you. This is typical Fox News narrow-focus, out-of-context information for the Low Information Voter.

Those increases are indeed higher than normal, but only a few percent. From 1999 to 2009, the average family premium increased from $5791 to $13375. There is a long-term trend of increasing healthcare costs and insurance premiums. Annual increases were in the range 10-13% between 2000-2004, and 5-9% between 2005-2009. Most of your premium increase is part of this long-term trend, and only a few percent is attributable to ACA. In return the ACA provides several improvements in coverage. Whether you want or like the improvements is obviously a different question.

When Obama said costs would go down, he was referring to specific groups of people. I'll agree he did not equally say that costs would go up for some. Personally, I never expected my own premium to go down, and I think most Americans with employer-provided healthcare never had such an expectation either. BTW, back in 2011 CMS projected a big bump in 2014 (when the bulk of the law kicks in) — a 9.4% increase in private insurance spending (close to Doppel's numbers) — before its estimates come back down to around 6%. 2014 is a bit of a blip. Just putting the numbers in context, Doppel.

[URL]http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/your-health-care-benefits-in-charts/?_r=0[/URL]
[URL]http://www.factcheck.org/2011/10/factchecking-health-insurance-premiums/[/URL]