Good anal sex joke TL, though it was stolen and modified by some NRA member (you can tell from the names referenced).
Still it's just a joke. The real life story is the assfucking Republicans just took.
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Good anal sex joke TL, though it was stolen and modified by some NRA member (you can tell from the names referenced).
Still it's just a joke. The real life story is the assfucking Republicans just took.
[QUOTE=Esten;436147]10% and 12%. Hmmm. And how much of that premium increase is due to the Affordable Care Act? You don't know do you. Those increases are indeed higher than normal, but only a few percent. From 1999 to 2009, the average family premium increased from $5791 to $13375. There is a long-term trend of increasing healthcare costs and insurance premiums. Annual increases were in the range 10-13% between 2000-2004, and 5-9% between 2005-2009. Most of your premium increase is part of this long-term trend, and only a few percent is attributable to ACA. In return the ACA provides several improvements in coverage. Whether you want or like the improvements is obviously a different question.
When Obama said costs would go down, he was referring to specific groups of people. I'll agree he did not equally say that costs would go up for some. Personally, I never expected my own premium to go down, and I think most Americans with employer-provided healthcare never had such an expectation either. BTW, back in 2011 CMS projected a big bump in 2014 (when the bulk of the law kicks in) — a 9.4% increase in private insurance spending (close to Doppel's numbers) — before its estimates come back down to around 6%. 2014 is a bit of a blip. Just putting the numbers in context, Doppel.
[URL]http://www.factcheck.org/2011/10/factchecking-health-insurance-premiums/[/URL][/QUOTE]Esten, did you even look at the graph from Fact Check which clearly shows a steep downward trend in premium increases during the time period you are referencing?
First the ten year time period you just referenced, 1999 to 2009 and I would like to see some facts to back those premiums, with the associated increase in premiums was 131% or an average of 13% per year, yet your Fact Check graph clearly shows a steep decrease in premiums increases over that same period. Your graph clearly shows a steep increase in premiums after ObamaCare's elements began taking effect.
Are you trying to tell me as ObamaCare forces insurance companies to eliminate lifetime caps and mandates specific treatments be covered by the insurance company at no cost to the patient the cost of insurance is going down while forcing companies to give more "free" care away? By the way for you liberals there is no "free" someone is paying for it.
Second, Obama stated flatly you can keep you insurance if you like it, you can keep your physician and he unequivocally stated PREMIUMS WOULD GO DOWN. None of which is true. If I were you I would not be quoting the Congressional Budget Office since they have gotten the cost of ObamaCare wrong from the beginning as the cost even by their estimates has increased significantly.
The increases I have seen in the last two years are greater than those from 5 years combined. My coverage has not changed, my group size and health profile has not changed for many years, so don't stand there and tell me a 23% increase is not related to ObamaCare unless of course you have some hard data which I don't see.
Last but not least the Federal Government now determines what type of coverage you "need" rather you want it or not. What's next they choose your condom, toilet paper, toothpaste, and what Chica's your allowed to bone!
First it is cartoon, that I did not make.
It is obvious what it means. The naysayers say the "Affordable Heath Care" will not work. The anarchistic Tea Party and some republicans do not want the government to work.
They fought it and lost and now they need to be patched up.
They said about the Wright Brothers; that it was immoral to fly. "It we were made to fly we would have wings."
[URL]http://truecostblog.com/2009/08/09/countries-with-universal-healthcare-by-date/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/heres-a-map-of-the-countries-that-provide-universal-health-care-americas-still-not-on-it/259153/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Jackson;436143]All that talk, and you still can't explain the meaning of your cartoon.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RockHarders;436145]Mongers-.
Why is there not more talk on this thread about how these pathetic, cowardly Republican congressional members manufactured this crisis and then didn't have the balls to hold their ground when Obama refused to negotiate? The fact that these self-proclaimed capitalist heroes could even bring the notion of default to the table (even more amazing as the US prints the very money it sells debt in, a rarity) shows they are nothing but a group of moronic redneck racists intent on simply doing anything they can to clash with Obama. Get ready for Hillary in 2016 and Corey Booker whenever Hillary is done.
Suerte,
Rock Harders.[/QUOTE]Yep, if you're not on Obama's side you're a redneck and a racist.
What did suicide bombers, Australians at Gallipoli, Texans at the Alamo, and Congressmen taking orders from Ted Cruz have in common? You might accuse them of stupidity, but sure as hell not cowardice.
Since you clearly believe the "crisis" was bad for the country, why do you say they didn't have the balls to hold their ground? That attitude, refusing to change course when fact or circumstances dictate otherwise, is the cause of a lot of pain, suffering and death. You need to lighten up on the testosterone injections.
While I believe the Tea Party's tactics recently have bordered on moronic, I wholeheartedly share their goals. Some of those on the left here, who have commented about how large financial companies and certain other special interests are in bed with government, need to take their heads out of the sand. There's only one group in American politics that would do something about that, and it's sure as hell not Democrats or mainstream Republicans.
For those of you that are cartoon Challenged.
The GOP is in such disarray that they are attacking each other.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;436152]First it is cartoon, that I did not make.
It is obvious what it means. The naysayers say the "Affordable Heath Care" will not work. The anarchistic Tea Party and some republicans do not want the government to work.
They fought it and lost and now they need to be patched up.[/QUOTE]Really? Because I interpret the cartoon completely differently.
In your cartoon, the battered Republican elephant is about to be saved by ObamaCare.
Here's how that will actually happen: When the American people realize that their health insurance premiums are skyrocketing, that they can't keep their doctors because their existing policies are being eliminated, that millions of jobs are being restructured to part-time positions to avoid the employer mandate, that the individual mandate forces millions of healthy younger Americans to pay for policies that are double and triple what they should be paying for their risk group, then the ensuing anti-ObamaCare backlash will in fact rescue the Republican party.
Thanks,
Jax.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;436154]For those of you that are cartoon Challenged.
The GOP is in such disarray that they are attacking each other.[/QUOTE]Please No WT!
Not the Sacred Alamo of the Great Republic of Texas!
Or the Great American Sports Bar in BA!
I guess that the Great Republic of Texas is one huge Sports Bar too!
The Cowboys may be America's Team but the Oilers are Texas' Team! (Texans).
Texas, the Only State that has the Right to Succeed from the Onion! (Union?).
Ja!
Come on Boys!
Let's talk about Latin Pussy for a while!
TL.
This is from a friend of mine who's a die hard Democrat and Obama supporter. He was writing to a couple of Democrat buddies and forwarded to me as an afterthought. He has cancer and is getting treated in California even though he lives in Nevada.
[b][i]It looks like the Republicans were right.
My guaranteed issue health insurance is being cancelled as Welpoint can do that if they withdraw from the personal insurance market in the state. My choices are limited to one of the Obamacare plans that are basically all HMO-type plans with limited hospitals/cancer centers/heart centers. You don't have a choice of where to be treated if you get sick , at any price point.
You can only go to the approved places, which in Nevada....suck[/b][/i]
My insurance is being canceled too as a result of the Affordable Care Act, as the insurance company is abandoning my state.
And now, to placate TL, Latin pussy kicks ass!
[QUOTE=TejanoLibre;436159]Please No WT!
Not the Sacred Alamo of the Great Republic of Texas!
Or the Great American Sports Bar in BA!
I guess that the Great Republic of Texas is one huge Sports Bar too!
The Cowboys may be America's Team but the Oilers are Texas' Team! (Texans).
Texas, the Only State that has the Right to Succeed from the Onion! (Union?).
Ja!
Come on Boys!
Let's talk about Latin Pussy for a while!
TL.[/QUOTE][URL]http://news.yahoo.com/armed-gun-rights-activists-rally-alamo-181856390.html[/URL]
Sometimes Mexican Food is good enough!
TL.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;436161]This is from a friend of mine who's a die hard Democrat and Obama supporter. He was writing to a couple of Democrat buddies and forwarded to me as an afterthought. He has cancer and is getting treated in California even though he lives in Nevada.
[b][i]It looks like the Republicans were right.
My guaranteed issue health insurance is being cancelled as Welpoint can do that if they withdraw from the personal insurance market in the state. My choices are limited to one of the Obamacare plans that are basically all HMO-type plans with limited hospitals/cancer centers/heart centers. You don't have a choice of where to be treated if you get sick , at any price point.
You can only go to the approved places, which in Nevada....suck[/b][/i]
My insurance is being canceled too as a result of the Affordable Care Act, as the insurance company is abandoning my state.[/QUOTE]Oh great, mighty and all knowing Esten, please explain how this could be happening under the Great Obamanations healthcare plan.
While your at it you can also explain why anyone even able to get through the website can't enroll and purchase insurance. What about the sticker shock as folks see their renewal rates as they are now forced to purchase plans with coverage mandated by ObamaCare but they don't want.
I say let it take affect in all it's glory and by November 2014 no one will remember the Slimdown, all they will see is the huge hole ObamaCare has burned in their pocket for care they don't want from hospitals and physicians they were forced to select.
Ask the Cartoonist what he meant by it?
Tom Toles, of the Washington Post.
[QUOTE=Jackson;436155]Really? Because I interpret the cartoon completely differently.
In your cartoon, the battered Republican elephant is about to be saved by ObamaCare.
Here's how that will actually happen: When the American people realize that their health insurance premiums are skyrocketing, that they can't keep their doctors because their existing policies are being eliminated, that millions of jobs are being restructured to part-time positions to avoid the employer mandate, that the individual mandate forces millions of healthy younger Americans to pay for policies that are double and triple what they should be paying for their risk group, then the ensuing anti-ObamaCare backlash will in fact rescue the Republican party.
Thanks,
Jax.[/QUOTE][blue]===========================================================[/blue]
[b]EDITOR's NOTE:[/b] [blue]Greetings everyone,
Effective immediately, WT69 is limited to posting his own original thoughts, and is thus restrained from posting commentary, cartoons or links to articles authored by other individuals.
Clearly, if you can't even explain your own plagiarized text or cartoons, then you're out of your depth and wasting all of our time in the process.
I was forced to invoke this rule before with WT69, but I let the enforcement slide, and thus we're back to dealing with the same pointless, repetitive stupidity.
I realize that this will effectively prevent WT69 from posting in the political threads because he has never written or expressed an original thought as his entire political philosophy amounts to regurgitating the swill fed to him by the Democratic Party, his own union brainwashers, and Rachael Maddow.
At least Esten, Black Shirt, Rock Harders and other Obama syncophants write their own material.
Thanks,
Jackson
PS: Please note how I composed my comments without resorting to traditional liberal name-calling.[/blue]
We have now moved into prime time for the Affordable Care Act detractors to take their best shots. Roll-out glitches, and sticker shock or plan cancellations for some. After a few months when the dust settles, we'll see where things stand.
It shouldn't be too surprising that a major change to the US healthcare system would involve some degree of disruption and unwanted side effects. The detractors will continue their narrow focus on these things. But the big picture is different. Most people will be able to keep their insurance, and will not see a big premium increase. That's because most people are in the group insurance market not the individual market where the most significant changes are happening. The best the detractors can hope for is a revolt in the individual market. But countering that are all those who will now be able to buy affordable insurance in the individual market, compared to where they were before. Along with the Chezz-like anecdotes are 476,000 people who filed applications in the first 2 weeks.
Here's a good link. It cites an assessment that the average ACA premium increase in the group market is around 2%. Just what I told Doppel.
Sen. Ted Cruz says premiums have gone 'up and up and up' for 'virtually every person'.
PolitiFact Rated: FALSE
[URL]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/oct/17/ted-cruz/sen-ted-cruz-says-premiums-have-gone-virtually-eve/[/URL]
Obama is guilty of glossing over the undesired effects, though he did modify his "you'll be able to keep your insurance" line to state that nothing in the ACA forced this. Obviously, Obama can't control the decisions of individual insurance companies in where they decide to compete. OTOH, we have a lot of misinformation and fear-mongering from the right (no surprise). The truth is somewhere in the middle. Though IMO much closer to Obama's side.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;436152][URL]http://truecostblog.com/2009/08/09/countries-with-universal-healthcare-by-date/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/heres-a-map-of-the-countries-that-provide-universal-health-care-americas-still-not-on-it/259153/[/URL][/QUOTE]Who gives a fuck what other countries are doing?
Do you believe that they've got some magic formula for success that has eluded the American people?
Oh, right. I forgot. Liberals do not believe that America is a great country.
Thanks,
Jax.
Because they care more about their peoples Health than your Conservatives buddies.
All your views are learned from they same place as I get mine. I read, I watch, I listen.
It seems that most Americans can weed out the shit from the bad ones, but not the Republication Party and the Tea Party.
That's why Obama was elected. The people need help, not their quality of life taking away.
[QUOTE=Jackson;436175]Who gives a fuck what other countries are doing?
Do you believe that they've got some magic formula for success that has eluded the American people?
Oh, right. I forgot. Liberals do not believe that America is a great country.
Thanks,
Jax.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Esten;436173]We have now moved into prime time for the Affordable Care Act detractors to take their best shots. Roll-out glitches, and sticker shock or plan cancellations for some. After a few months when the dust settles, we'll see where things stand.
It shouldn't be too surprising that a major change to the US healthcare system would involve some degree of disruption and unwanted side effects. The detractors will continue their narrow focus on these things. But the big picture is different. Most people will be able to keep their insurance, and will not see a big premium increase. That's because most people are in the group insurance market not the individual market where the most significant changes are happening. The best the detractors can hope for is a revolt in the individual market. But countering that are all those who will now be able to buy affordable insurance in the individual market, compared to where they were before. Along with the Chezz-like anecdotes are 476,000 people who filed applications in the first 2 weeks.
Here's a good link. It cites an assessment that the average ACA premium increase in the group market is around 2%. Just what I told Doppel.
Sen. Ted Cruz says premiums have gone 'up and up and up' for 'virtually every person'.
PolitiFact Rated: FALSE
[URL]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/oct/17/ted-cruz/sen-ted-cruz-says-premiums-have-gone-virtually-eve/[/URL]
Obama is guilty of glossing over the undesired effects, though he did modify his "you'll be able to keep your insurance" line to state that nothing in the ACA forced this. Obviously, Obama can't control the decisions of individual insurance companies in where they decide to compete. OTOH, we have a lot of misinformation and fear-mongering from the right (no surprise). The truth is somewhere in the middle. Though IMO much closer to Obama's side.[/QUOTE]Ok Esten, I'm seeing a lot of "happy talk" about ObamaCare but no facts to back them up.
Remember all those folks who testified before Congress about how the sites were ready to go after being paid hundreds of millions of dollars? Did not happen!
Please don't roll out the sites crashed because of overwhelming demand, as there is no reason for this to have happened as they knew or should have known what the demand would be since they are the only store in town. There were plenty of examples out there of under planning resources and how to avoid it, so you have no excuses.
If that was the excuse then why isn't the site working now after experiencing an 88% decrease in traffic, it's not overwhelmed it just doesn't work.
Also why isn't Obama coming out the figures for those who got insurance via the site after three weeks? What's because it simply does not work and Sebelius has time to go on TV to pump the plan but no time for Congress?
The Obama Lie I love the best is how the cost of care is going DOWN $2500 a year. Maybe he just mis-spoke and really meant to say it was going UP.
How can you say with a straight face that NOTHING IN ACA FORCED THIS? Every action being taken by companies is in reaction to ACA and it's draconian take over of the health insurance market.
The undeniable facts are people don't like ObamaCare because the whole thing is a sham. Nothing Obama said is true, but that's nothing new. Companies dropping coverage, reducing work hours, price increases are the REAL affects not some left wing-nut outfit saying it's only going to INCREASE 2%.
Keep whistling past the grave yard Esten, Black Shirt, WT69.