2012 Elections in the USA

Matt, while your percentages may apply well across European countries it does not compare well to an economy as large as the US, not that I am accepting the percentages you posted. I did notice you did not post any numbers regarding the number of persons participating in the funding of the governments cited via those governments' tax systems. When you have nearly 50% of the population no longer supporting government spending through income tax payments, as we do here in the US, percentages regarding government spending vs GDP become meaningless.

Matt, do you believe France is having a massive influx of Americans entering the country illegally and living off their welfare, educational, and other social systems? They welcome Americans, if you can really say the French welcome anyone, because they are called Tourists and spend money thereby pumping capital into their economy and then they go home. Your argument regarding illegal immigration here, big difference between wading the Rio Grande or crossing a geographic line vs swimming across the Atlantic Ocean, is invalid on its face. Our government is sworn to defend and protect its Citizens, it is also sworn to defend our boarders which with this new 'interpretation' of the law by Obama turns that duty into a joke. Enacting the 'Dream Act' without legislation by ordering a federal law enforcement agency to ignore the law is beyond the pale.

Obama envies Hugo Chavez's ability to rule by decree / fiat and is attempting to do the same here. This is nothing more the pure raw politics with no social conscious which liberal always brag about having. This is no different than the Democrat's stunt in the Senate with the women's pay issue or the Republican's stunt in the House with the gender based abortion issue.

With unemployment of its citizens at all time highs, not to mention those no longer counted, the government's first obligation is to its citizens and not to illegal immigrants. What part of ILLEGAL do liberals not understand?

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;423249]What part if ILLEGAL do liberals not understand?[/QUOTE]Excuse me Doppleganger, but as the forum's official "Political Correctness" police, I must advise you that we've all been asked to "[i]Drop the I[/i]":

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Thanks,

Jax

Must have missed the memo on that on, but I thought that memo came from the folks I was talking about who are now getting into heavy PC mode. I guess they are now legally challenged, geographicly challenged? Is that proper?
To quote Rhett Butler "Quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."

[QUOTE=Jackson; 423251]Excuse me Doppleganger, but as the forum's official "Political Correctness" police, I must advise you that we've all been asked to "[i]Drop the I[/i]":

Thanks,

Jax[/QUOTE]LMAO. What liberal foolishness. My favourite is the "I am not illegal but UNDOCUMENTED"! Bet WT69 dreams this type of shit up in his sleep. LOL. Monger On Dude. Toymann

For every illegal immigrant, an American citizen or business entity commits a violation by employing them. Under both Republican or Democrat regimes, in Texas or Alaska. In recent years, we have seen high profile elected officials or politicians running for office been exposed to this illegal activiity. So the question is, what is the underlying motivating factor in us that allow this problem to mushroom, and to enter into every facet of our lives.

It has been said that illegal immigrants exists because they do jobs that Americans do no want to do, jobs that do not pay minimum wages, or are in violation of safety regulations, etc. This is happening all over the world, not just the US. In Singapore, they recently passed a law prohibiting households from forcing their maids to clean the outside of their high rise windows. So far, there has been 6 or 7 deaths of maids plunging to their deaths. There is a word for this, exploitation. It is direct, or indirect, but we are all a part of it.

You can shout or moan all you want, but you are doing it from the point of your vested interest. Just remember that. Patriotism, forget that.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt; 423261]For every illegal immigrant, an American citizen or business entity commits a violation by employing them. Under both Republican or Democrat regimes, in Texas or Alaska. In recent years, we have seen high profile elected officials or politicians running for office been exposed to this illegal activiity. So the question is, what is the underlying motivating factor in us that allow this problem to mushroom, and to enter into every facet of our lives.

It has been said that illegal immigrants exists because they do jobs that Americans do no want to do, jobs that do not pay minimum wages, or are in violation of safety regulations, etc. This is happening all over the world, not just the US. In Singapore, they recently passed a law prohibiting households from forcing their maids to clean the outside of their high rise windows. So far, there has been 6 or 7 deaths of maids plunging to their deaths. There is a word for this, exploitation. It is direct, or indirect, but we are all a part of it.

You can shout or moan all you want, but you are doing it from the point of your vested interest. Just remember that. Patriotism, forget that.[/QUOTE]Illegal immigrants exist because we don't control our borders or enforce our own immigration laws, period.

That having been said, I am in favor of a Guest Worker program wherein foreign workers, under the auspice of ICE, would be allowed to work 6 month rotating periods in the USA, with an eventual path to citizenship for successful program participants.

Thanks,

Jax

The question is now about Romney's Transparency. He did it one time, running for Governor. He jumped on the education system. That did not go over very big.

So, now the only one thing he has been Transparent on is Obama Care. He said the first thing he would do is get rid of it.

But, he did not say what would happen to the people on it.

The opinion is that they would have to move to Massachusetts and sign up for his O'Romney Care.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;423295]But, he did not say what would happen to the people on it.[/QUOTE]No one is on ObamaCare yet you roaring uninformed IDIOT! Get you facts straight. PLEASE! The current insurance companies had to add coverage pertaining to preventative care (sort of, nothing expensive like a colonoscopy) , no more max lifetime limits and all kids get covered till mid 20's. Thats why any employer that offers healthcare the last two years saw their rate go viral (20-40% per year increases). The insurance companies are preditary by nature and use ObamanationCare as a great excuse to jack rates, while they could! Most insurance executives realize Obomantion is a one trick poney, BUT saw the opportunity that our idiot-in-chief presented them with. Like most smart executives, they now announce that these changes will remain in place even if ObomanationCare is repealed. The reason? Already built into the premium increases that happened over the past two years. How opportunistic, don't ya think? We'll never see a decrease in rates even after ObomanationCare is a bad memory! The Idiot-in-chief is certainly the gift that keeps on giving. The horrible foolish legacy he has created will be with us for years to come.

All other ongoing ObamanationCare actions relate to building bigger government (more IRS agents, creation of death panels, etc, etc, etc). I understand you barely made it through high school, and the stamps in your passport are quite impressive (in your own mind) , BUT. What stops you from getting educated on the issue? Lots of facts out there! You are retired on your sad union pension (whats up with that dude? No hindsight thoughts on the value of unions) , I suggest you get your facts straight before spouting off with more babble on socialism, vietnam, war, republicans, etc, etc, etc. I thought you wanted this thread closed? Better you remain silent and be thought a fool than open you mouth and remove all doubt!

Monger on Pelosi. Toymann.

Ps. I forgot, too poor to return to Argentina, disregard the "monger on" comment.

Tell Romney, he said it, not me!

Who's The [B]IDIOTS? [/B] That would be the Republicans, they're the ones Talking about getting rid of it, before it starts.

I can't wait to go Back "More of the Same," Bush's Shit.

How Low Can We Go?

[QUOTE=Toymann; 423301]No one is on ObamaCare yet you roaring uninformed IDIOT! Get you facts straight. PLEASE! The current insurance companies had to add coverage pertaining to preventative care (sort of, nothing expensive like a colonoscopy) , no more max lifetime limits and all kids get covered till mid 20's. Thats why any employer that offers healthcare the last two years saw their rate go viral (20-40% per year increases). The insurance companies are preditary by nature and use ObamanationCare as a great excuse to jack rates, while they could! Most insurance executives realize Obomantion is a one trick poney, BUT saw the opportunity that our idiot-in-chief presented them with. Like most smart executives, they now announce that these changes will remain in place even if ObomanationCare is repealed. The reason? Already built into the premium increases that happened over the past two years. How opportunistic, don't ya think? We'll never see a decrease in rates even after ObomanationCare is a bad memory! The Idiot-in-chief is certainly the gift that keeps on giving. The horrible foolish legacy he has created will be with us for years to come.

All other ongoing ObamanationCare actions relate to building bigger government (more IRS agents, creation of death panels, etc, etc, etc). I understand you barely made it through high school, and the stamps in your passport are quite impressive (in your own mind) , BUT. What stops you from getting educated on the issue? Lots of facts out there! You are retired on your sad union pension (whats up with that dude? No hindsight thoughts on the value of unions) , I suggest you get your facts straight before spouting off with more babble on socialism, vietnam, war, republicans, etc, etc, etc. I thought you wanted this thread closed? Better you remain silent and be thought a fool than open you mouth and remove all doubt!

Monger on Pelosi. Toymann.

Ps. I forgot, too poor to return to Argentina, disregard the monger on comment.[/QUOTE]

It just keeps getting worse. Obama has imposed new regulations to prevent rapes in prison. Cost of $7 billion dollars in red tape paperwork. Nothing actually done to prevent rapes. Just onerous beaurocratic red tape that will not prevent a single rape. And who does Obama think will pay for this nonsense. Birdbrain Obama probably thinks public sector jobs will pay for this. If Obama had a functioning brain cell he would realize that every cent of that wasted $7 billion dollars comes from the private sector. And now, gracias a Obama, the private sector has $7 billion dollars less available for hiring workers.

Of course, these new regulations pale in comparison to some of Obama's other ideas to stimulate the economy. For example, the Obama administration distributed $9 billion in economic “stimulus” funds to solar and wind projects in 2009-11 that created, as the end result, 910 “direct” jobs -- annual operation and maintenance positions -- meaning that it cost about $9.8 million to establish each of those long-term jobs.

Maybe we can convince Obama to join his wife on a world cruise to nowhere for the remainder of his first and only term.

Her speech in London yesterday was an inspiration of what politicains and government officials should be all about. No bitter self serving talk about her years of house arrest, she graciously compliments her former tormentors on the recent reforms and elections this year. It was all about the hopes of the people of Myamma for the future.

In comparison, our politicians look like a bunch of drug-dealers. Disregarding the welfare of it's citizens, they behave as sore losers, and we, the citizens, have to swollow the bickery, venom and the grandstanding.

I haven't commented much in a long time, largely because I would just be repeating myself (and I have been living in a spiderhole in the desert. Not really).

This week has been great. There are only three words needed to understand the final nail in the coffin for the Obama presidency: Fast and Furious. The AG has already acknowledged that he is a habitual liar to Congress, while under oath. If he was a major league pitcher, he'd be behind bars by now. The use of EP by the WH this week is a giant red flag that the WH, at the highest levels, was involved in F&F. If that wasn't the case, they would have no problem throwing Holder under the bus (occupational hazard that they all accept). Therefore, it is just a matter of time before there is proof of complicity on the parts of both the WH and AG in over 2500 felonies (each of the 'walked' weapons allowed to cross the border) and the more than 300 Mexican deaths, and the death of Brian terry, at the hands of drug cartels utilizing Obama and Holder's assault weapons. If these two mass criminals were in the private sector, they would be on the receiving end of RICO prosecutions. This makes Watergate look like a Punch and Judy show.

Please don't respond with it started under Bush, it did not. Operation Wide Receiver was nothing like Fast and Furious and was shut down in 2007. Fast and Furious began in October 2009 and the feds involved made no effort to safeguard anyone or to track the weapons - in fact they took extraordinary steps to not track the weapons and to ensure that they made it unmolested into the hands of some of the most violent people on earth. The only thing they were doing was waiting to find the weapons at crime scenes. Ergo, the guns were provided for the purpose of facilitating violent crime. Please don't respond with CNN talking points, if you don't have your facts on this, save your breath.

Anyone involved in developing and executing this plan should be investigated and those responsible should be prosecuted, starting with Obama and Holder.

Obama will lose in November in a landslide due to the fall out from his miserable failure at everything during the past three years. He should be happy with that result. If reelected, he will be the second consecutive Democrat president to be impeached.

If romney was prez I would not be alloweed to rehab from my strok in BA I would be snt to SLC for religious retraining. I can astill get a paycheckrehabing in BA under Obama LOL

[QUOTE=Gato Hunter;423425]If romney was prez I would not be alloweed to rehab from my strok in BA I would be snt to SLC for religious retraining. I can astill get a paycheckrehabing in BA under Obama LOL[/QUOTE]You can have all the wives you want. Now that we have all of the fallacious stereo types of Mormons out of the way.

As far as I know, there are no govt health benefits available to you or me today that weren't available to us in October 2008. Obamacare benefits won't kick in until '14, if it doesn't get shot down by the Supremes.

No matter our political differences, I wish you the speediest and naughtiest recovery, possible!

WW, its multiple choice for what brings down the Obama administration: the economy, lack of jobs, foreign policy or lack thereof, F&F or the security leaks to make Obama look like a real tough guy.

Your right about one thing, Obama's extending executive privilege, questionable at best, to Holder and the DOJ only reinforces the perception of White House involvement at a level damaging to Obama. Add to this Pelosi's pathetic attempt to link the contempt charges with Holder's DOJ attempting to block voter I'd laws in several states, after the Supreme Court ruled such laws are constitutional, only adds credence to the impression Obama has something to hide. Remember Holder was the architect of the Mark Rich pardon under Clinton, who received large sums from Rich's wife for his presidential library, so what do you expect.

Now three years into Obama's presidency have serious fact checking of his prior books been undertaken with astonishing results. The man lied over and over in both his books, I'm sure this comes as a shock to some of you.

I agree with you WW, when the voting is over it will not be close, I only hope the Republicans take both the House and the Senate and that those elected will serve the interest of the nation as a whole, reign in spending and reduce both the Nanny State and the federal government in general. They can start with abolishing the EPA, Department of Energy and Education.