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Should Israel be running American foreign policy? Better yet, Netanyahu should be Secretary of State should Romney wins. Wait, I think he should run for president in place of Romney. I am sure he has dual ciitizenship.
If there is one thing I miss out here in Bangkok, it is a Jewish deli. Corned beef & pastrami sandwiches, cabbage slaw, potato salad, lox, cream cheese & bagel, gerkins. I'm about to cum.
[QUOTE=Black Shirt; 426351]Should Israel be running American foreign policy? Better yet, Netanyahu should be Secretary of State should Romney wins. Wait, I think he should run for president in place of Romney. I am sure he has dual ciitizenship.
If there is one thing I miss out here in Bangkok, it is a Jewish deli. Corned beef & pastrami sandwiches, cabbage slaw, potato salad, lox, cream cheese & bagel, gerkins. I'm about to cum.[/QUOTE]I believe that the USA should support Israel both politically and militarily, but I also believe that Israel exercises a bit too much influence in America's foreign affairs to the determent of our relations with some of the rest of the mid-east.
I'm also tired of hearing the same old line about "Israel is our strongest ally in the Mid-East". The fact is that while Israel is technically an ally of the USA, they will never be able to cooperate or participate with the USA in any military action. For example, you didn't see any Israel military participation in the USA's liberation of Afghanistan or Iraq.
Having Israel as an ally is like having the biggest bully in the school yard as your ally, but the bully is always in detention.
Thanks,
Jackson
BTW: Black Shirt, Thanks for lunch!
[QUOTE=Jackson; 426356]I believe that the USA should support Israel both politically and militarily, but I also believe that Israel exercises a bit too much influence in America's foreign affairs to the determent of our relations with some of the rest of the mid-east.
I'm also tired of hearing the same old line about "Israel is our strongest ally in the Mid-East". The fact is that while Israel is technically an ally of the USA, they will never be able to cooperate or participate with the USA in any military action. For example, you didn't see any Israel military participation in the USA's liberation of Afghanistan or Iraq.
Having Israel as an ally is like having the biggest bully in the school yard as your ally, but the bully is always in detention.
Thanks,
Jackson.
BTW: Black Shirt, Thanks for lunch![/QUOTE]Spot On El Jefe.
Rommney will be the pawn of Isreal and send our boys to win oil wars.
Jackpot
[QUOTE=Jackson; 426356]I believe that the USA should support Israel both politically and militarily, but I also believe that Israel exercises a bit too much influence in America's foreign affairs to the determent of our relations with some of the rest of the mid-east.
I'm also tired of hearing the same old line about "Israel is our strongest ally in the Mid-East". The fact is that while Israel is technically an ally of the USA, they will never be able to cooperate or participate with the USA in any military action. For example, you didn't see any Israel military participation in the USA's liberation of Afghanistan or Iraq.
Having Israel as an ally is like having the biggest bully in the school yard as your ally, but the bully is always in detention.
Thanks,
Jackson.
BTW: Black Shirt, Thanks for lunch![/QUOTE]Now there's something we can definitely agree on. That tail has been wagging the dog for too long. Ridiculous.
If the USA really wanted to play realpolitik, they would gradually increase support for the modern and pragmatic states in the Mideast, and lessen the absurdly out of proportion support for Israel. Everybody knows that the "impartial" stance posited by the USA is a very poor joke. A bit more leverage would be the result.
It won't happen though. Too many electoral votes to lose come election time. For both parties.
[QUOTE=Jackson;426356]I believe that the USA should support Israel both politically and militarily, but I also believe that Israel exercises a bit too much influence in America's foreign affairs to the determent of our relations with some of the rest of the mid-east.[/QUOTE]Agreed.
[QUOTE=Jackpot;426357]Rommney will be the pawn of Isreal and send our boys to win oil wars.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I think the odds are > 50% we go to war if Romney is elected.
Toymann,
At some point you have to start asking serious questions about whether Romney is fit for president. His screw-up this week was his worst yet.
Repeating the lie that the administration apologized for the attacks, doesn't make it true. It's a bald-faced lie. I'd ask you to post a link to back this up, but we all know you can't. You're in the gutter with Romney with this line of response.
Romney foreign policy attack was disgraceful
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/13/opinion/avlon-romney-libya-attack/index.html[/url]
How badly did Romney botch response to Libya attack?
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57511707/how-badly-did-romney-botch-response-to-libya-attack/[/url]
[i]"The comments were a big mistake, and the decision to double down on them was an even bigger mistake," Steve Schmidt, senior campaign strategist to Sen. John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign, told CBS News."There are legitimate criticisms to be made but you foreclose on your ability to make them when you try to score easy political points. And the American people, when the country is attacked, whether they're a Republican or Democrat or independent, want to see leaders who have measured responses, not leaders whose first instinct is to try to score political points."[/i]
I really love all this talk about 'moderate' Arab states, would that be Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq or perhaps Egypt? As I recall when the current despot took over Syria the US had high hopes he would be a 'moderate', guess that didn't work out so well did it.
How about Egypt, really 'moderate' and steadfast 'ally' there; or Iraq after liberation from Saddam and billions in aid, another sterling example of a 'moderate' Arab country.
There is no such thing as a 'moderate' Arab country; they live by a code from the 4th century and respect only one thing, force, so why do we want to give 'moderate' Arabs more money.
Nearly $2 Billion has not bought us much in Egypt, we spent even move in Iraq and still more in Afghanistan where we are losing more troops to Green on Blue than to combat operations.
Say what you will about Israel, they have mastered one thing we continue to let our political leaders steal from us, Israel has learned to WIN and WIN EVERYTIME.
Israel is the closest think to an ally we have in the area, like it or not it is just the truth. Anytime you think we need to just cut them lose, take a little stroll down memory lane circa 1939 to 1944, or listen to Louis Farrakhan or your 'moderate' Arabs.
Unlike Obama and the liberals I don't give a damn if the Arabs love us, so long as they FEAR US, I'm good with that. It's just the way the world is like it or not, civilization is but a very thin veneer easily cast aside.
Esten, the only people pounding anyone about the "new Arab spring" are the liberal media pounding Romney and not asking a single hard ball question of Obama because they are too busy pandering over him.
What is really sad is the comment they choose to pounce on was made BEFORE the attacks, but both you and they seem to let this little fact slip past you.
The second saddest thing is Clinton and Obama blaming a UTUBE video of causing all this havoc, ignoring 9/11 altogether. You have to ask yourself, what sort of people become so upset with a video which they feel demeans their 'religion' that they have to go kill 'crusaders'? See my earlier post about their 4th century mentality and what they respect.
After three years of limp wristed genuflecting to the 'Arabs' this is what we get, they perceived weakness and pounced. 'Bring them to justice', now just how is His Highness going to do that in a foreign country? He is not about to launch a hellfire missile attack from a drone or manned military aircraft in Libya or Egypt. The FBI is on the ground, give me a break. A bunch of FBI guys knocking around in a foreign country with no jurisdiction or powers are going to doing to do exactly what? Go check your history of the FBI's 'success' in dealing with Arab states on investigates. They are mushrooms, kept in the dark and covered with shit.
Get your jacket today.
[QUOTE=Esten; 426364]Toymann,
At some point you have to start asking serious questions about whether Romney is fit for president. His screw-up this week was his worst yet.
Repeating the lie that the administration apologized for the attacks, doesn't make it true. It's a bald-faced lie. I'd ask you to post a link to back this up, but we all know you can't. You're in the gutter with Romney with this line of response.
Romney foreign policy attack was disgraceful.
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/13/opinion/avlon-romney-libya-attack/index.html[/url]
How badly did Romney botch response to Libya attack?
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57511707/how-badly-did-romney-botch-response-to-libya-attack/[/url]
[i]"The comments were a big mistake, and the decision to double down on them was an even bigger mistake," Steve Schmidt, senior campaign strategist to Sen. John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign, told CBS News."There are legitimate criticisms to be made but you foreclose on your ability to make them when you try to score easy political points. And the American people, when the country is attacked, whether they're a Republican or Democrat or independent, want to see leaders who have measured responses, not leaders whose first instinct is to try to score political points."[/i][/QUOTE]
Will it be a portena, saltena, chakena, missionera or paraguaya that I will select from Madahos using your donation to my mongering fund. These are the truely tough decions that occupy my mind these days. This election is all but over dude. The media can keep on prasing Obomanation and demonizing Romney all they want. It's all over but the crying. Get your towel out (and you wallet, jejejejeje). Monger on Esten. Toymann.
Ps. You so underestimate Americans dude. Shame. Shame. Shame.
[QUOTE=Esten;426330]Please, double and triple-down on the Republican strategy, "We can say anything and make believe it's true." Obama's post-convention bounce is largely because Democrats helped more people realize just how much deception Republicans were spewing. Continuing that strategy won't reverse the recent trend.[/QUOTE]Esten, That's one of several posts where you said Romney and Republicans are liars. Are you clear minded enough to realize your side is just as bad or worse? The foremost reason Obama probably will win is because he's a better liar than Romney.
[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;426348]do you REALLY still believe at this point that Romney still has a chance to win this election? The Fed has now launched QE3 and the European Central Bank has made it clear it will support the PIGS bonds for the time being so essentially the stock market is going to be floating on cloud 9 until at least Election Day.[/QUOTE]Good point Snake. And the second reason Obama will probably win. Obama has been spending like there's no tomorrow and the Fed is pitching in and doing its share, buying lots and lots of debt and guaranteeing interest rates will be close to "0" for 7 years (2008 to 2015). Future generations will pay, with debt they will never be able to pay back and high inflation. Obama and Bernanke are the principal culprits, although Bush and Congressional leaders share the blame.
You Are TOOOO UP TIGHT.
[url]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?4239-Massage-Parlor-recommendations&p=426246&viewfull=1#post426246[/url]
Because they need US.
Where are You, On Romney's Planet? GOPLASHIT. Where is That?
Sorry, I am late to reply, so much Republican Bull Shit Going On, it is tough to keep up with It, let alone the Fucking Lies, with NO PROOF.
READ Rowney's BOOK,"No Apologies" Read the Reviews!
ALL the Countries He Mentioned in his B00K, there are No Facts, just Lies. No, Just Cold War Make Believes. Romney says are main opponent is Russia.
He is Stuck in the Long Ago, Cold War.
Romney Said No Apologizes will given by Him.
All of Obama's speeches were checked. Not One Apology to any Country that he mentioned his Bull Shit Book were made.
I feel sorry for you wanting a new leader, but come on, not TWO MORE, Sarah Palin Dumb Shits, they will not MAKE A New COUNTRY.
I REALLY FEEL YOUR PAIN!
Our Country Needs You, Not A Bought and Paid for Government.
What the Constitution Wanted Was "One Man One Vote".
It did not say Company Operations were People, to Be Bought For, by the Rich Men or Women and their Corporations," but was approved by the Supreme Court in The Super-Pac Ruling. I Wish I had the under the table money they got for that Vote.
Gee, it does not sound Fishy to me and I guess to You.
SELL OUR COUNTRY TO THE RICH?
Tell us where it is said the Boss's were it charge?
"Lincoln Said NO More Slaves."
SOME OF YOU ARE SLAVES TO MONEY!
[QUOTE=Rocky2;426091]Why and the hell would we want to be like those other countries?[/QUOTE]
Worldtravel69.
After reading your last dozen political rants without comment, it appears everything you are upset about and constantly spam-spew on the board can be much more easily and concisely written. May I suggest you just merely copy paste this so at least we all can scroll less?
'random rant re: [insert topic here]
-Everything I say is right.
-Everything the other side says is wrong and has no proof even when credentialed sources provides facts. "Facts" from the other side are lies, lies from my side are clearly always "facts"
-I actually have no proof that my side has any better "proof", or proof that the other side has no proof, but that's ok, my opinion just routes back to logic line #1.
-if you disagree with me, you must be evil, a traitor, or clearly a no-proof other side guy and hence, automatically I am right. '
And p.s. as often as it is referenced the original Constitution is an amazingly concise document - easily downloaded, easily read/searched. I suggest you do so.
The Constituion did NOT want one man one vote. In fact, the Constitution has very little re voting rights, it left that to the states, but what it DOES say right up front in Article 2 is: "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."
Clearly, as bad as this idea sounds to modern society of all major political parties in the US, back then it was one man one representation unless you are colored, free loading Indians, etc - then it's just 3/5th of you.
Good thing the Republican party,founded by anti-slavery activists, led the way with like minded people on both parties to free the slaves.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 426380]Because they need US.
Where are You, On Romney's Planet? GOPLASHIT. Where is That?
Sorry, I am late to reply, so much Republican Bull Shit Going On, it is tough to keep up with It, let alone the Fucking Lies, with NO PROOF.
READ Rowney's BOOK,"No Apologies" Read the Reviews!
ALL the Countries He Mentioned in his B00K, they are No Facts, just Lies. No, Just Cold War Make Believes. Romney main opponent is Russian.
He is Stuck in the Long Ago, Cold War Past.
Romney Said No Apologizes will given by Him.
All of Obama's speeches were checked. Not One Apology to any Country that he mentioned his Bull Shit Book were made.
I feel sorry for you wanting a new leader, but come on, not TWO MORE, Sarah Palin Dumb Shits, they will not MAKE A New COUNTRY.
I REALLY FEEL YOUR PAIN!
Our Country Needs You, Not A Bought and Paid for Government.
What the Constitution Wanted Was "One Man One Vote".
It did not say Company Operations were People, to Be Bought For, by the Rich Men or Women and their Corporations," but was approved by the Supreme Court in The Super-Pac Ruling. I Wish I had the under the table money they got for that Vote.
Gee, it does not sound Fishy to me and I guess to You.
SELL OUR COUNTRY TO THE RICH?
Tell us where it is said the Boss's were it charge?
"Lincoln Said NO More Slaves."
SOME OF YOU ARE SLAVES TO MONEY![/QUOTE]
It is Okay for Rush Limbaugh to Rant and Rave with his Lies, but not me with The Truth.
I'm Hurt.
[QUOTE=Mpexy; 426382]Worldtravel69.
After reading your last dozen political rants without comment, it appears everything you are upset about and constantly spam-spew on the board can be much more easily and concisely written. May I suggest you just merely copy paste this so at least we all can scroll less?
'random rant re: [insert topic here]
-Everything I say is right.
-Everything the other side says is wrong and has no proof even when credentialed sources provides facts."Facts" from the other side are lies, lies from my side are clearly always "facts"
-I actually have no proof that my side has any better "proof", or proof that the other side has no proof, but that's ok, my opinion just routes back to logic line #1.
-if you disagree with me, you must be evil, a traitor, or clearly a no-proof other side guy and hence, automatically I am right. '
And p. S. As often as it is referenced the original Constitution is an amazingly concise document. Easily downloaded, easily read / searched. I suggest you do so.
The Constituion did NOT want one man one vote. In fact, the Constitution has very little re voting rights, it left that to the states, but what it DOES say right up front in Article 2 is: "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."
Clearly, as bad as this idea sounds to modern society of all major political parties in the US, back then it was one man one representation unless you are colored, free loading Indians, etc. Then it's just 3/5th of you.
Good thing the Republican party, founded by anti-slavery activists, led the way with like minded people on both parties to free the slaves.[/QUOTE]
Not to worry WT. Using the logic of Republicans as Romney got blasted last week, if so many people are criticizing you then you must be right.
You are right, Obama didn't apologize. It's a fabricated storyline to sway weak minds that Obama is a weak leader. As you noted, Romney wrote a book called "No Apologies", and he wants to convince people he is the strong guy. That means painting Obama as the weak guy, even if the facts don't match up.
Americans want and respect a leader who is measured and thoughtful in his words and his actions. This past week has provided a clear example of how Obama and Romney perform in this regard.
BTW, check out the opening skit for SNL last night, it will cheer you up....
[url]http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2012/09/saturday-night-live-skewers-obama-romney-eastwood.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Tiny12;426377]Esten, That's one of several posts where you said Romney and Republicans are liars. Are you clear minded enough to realize your side is just as bad or worse?[/QUOTE]LMAO! Great way to back up your statement with nothing.
I would never say any political party is truthful all the time. But Republicans blow everybody else out of the water with their brazen dishonesty. The storylines of "Yes We Did Build That" (theme of the RNC) , and "America Shouldn't Apologize" are often repeated by Republicans, but they are based on lies.
[QUOTE=Doppelganger;426367]What is really sad is the comment they choose to pounce on was made BEFORE the attacks, but both you and they seem to let this little fact slip past you.[/QUOTE]Let's review what happened. On Monday night, Romney issued this condemnation of Obama: "It's disgraceful that the Obama Administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks." The lies here are several: The statement was issued by an embassy staffer, not by Obama; it did not express sympathy with attackers; and it was not a 'response' to the attacks but in fact preceded them.
[QUOTE]The second saddest thing is Clinton and Obama blaming a UTUBE video of causing all this havoc, ignoring 9/11 altogether.[/QUOTE]The video is clearly part of the uprisings. What is less clear is who launched the specific attacks which killed Americans, and what planning was behind it. Nobody has said this was definately not a pre-planned attack; only that such evidence has not been found and it is presently under investigation. I don't think anyone believes that the administration will not do whatever it can to get to the bottom of it.
[QUOTE]You have to ask yourself, what sort of people become so upset with a video which they feel demeans their 'religion' that they have to go kill 'crusaders'? See my earlier post about their 4th century mentality and what they respect.[/QUOTE]That's a one-dimensional view. Not all followers of Islam are extremists who advocate violence. As Obama said, for every angry mob, there are millions who yearn for the freedom, and dignity, and hope that our flag represents. Showing "strength" is not enough; we need patient diplomacy and an approach of working with them, to increase that desire for democracy and freedom. As that segment of the Islamic population becomes larger and stronger, it will crowd out the extremists. But that is a process that takes time.
[QUOTE]'Bring them to justice', now just how is His Highness going to do that in a foreign country? He is not about to launch a hellfire missile attack from a drone or manned military aircraft in Libya or Egypt. The FBI is on the ground, give me a break. A bunch of FBI guys knocking around in a foreign country with no jurisdiction or powers are going to doing to do exactly what?[/QUOTE]I would ask the very same question of Romney, what would he do? If your answer is such attacks on American embassies would never happen in the first place if somehow America was "stronger", that the extremists would be afraid and cower, you are fooling yourself.
[QUOTE=Esten;426396]LMAO! Great way to back up your statement with nothing.[/QUOTE]Romney didn't pay income taxes for the last 10 years (Harry Reid)
Romney would raise taxes on the middle class while cutting taxes on millionaires and billionaires
Obama's policies are responsible for the boom in USA oil and gas drilling
The wealthy don't pay their fair share of taxes; Obama only proposes to go back to Clinton era rates for upper income taxpayers.
Obama and the Democrats can continue federal government spending at high levels with no sacrifice from people who make less than $200,000 a year (make that $1,000,000 per year, if you're Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer).
My plan will cut the deficit by $4 trillion over 10 years (Barrack Obama)
Romney's Medicare plan would immediately cut benefits for more than 30 million seniors (Joe Biden)
Romney killed Joe Soptic's wife.
Bush and Republican Congressmen are wholly responsible for ____________ (fill in the blank with everything that's gone wrong over the last 4 years)
The affordable care bill will not increase the deficit. The health care package will pay for itself.
"Under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions" (Barrack Obama)
Republicans are solely responsible for the mortgage/financial crisis. Democratic congressmen and women like Barney Frank, Barrack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Christopher Dodd, who historically have been big beneficiaries of Wall Street, Fannie and Freddie, had nothing to do with it.
Nancy Pelosi was unaware of waterboarding and other methods used to interrogate terrorists.
The list would go on and on. What's disturbing, Obama believes his own bull shit. He's a narcissist. That's what makes him a very convincing liar. And what would keep him on a course of failed policies. I say "would" because a Republican House of Representatives and a deadlocked Senate, that is split government, hopefully will prevent that from happening.
Don't forget "[i]The [ObamaCare] individual mandate is not a tax.[/i]" (Barack Obama, Sep. 20, 2009)
[QUOTE=Jackson;426402]Don't forget "[i]The [ObamaCare] individual mandate is not a tax.[/i]" (Barack Obama, Sep. 20, 2009)[/QUOTE]That's a good one. I forgot about the 4.5 million jobs that he single handedly added to the American economy too.
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/09/17/romney-fundraiser-videos-leaked/[/url]
Time to Flush.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 426437][url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/09/17/romney-fundraiser-videos-leaked/[/url]
Time to Flush.[/QUOTE]Sadly WT69, you are a walking example of what Romney and many americans are VERY concerned about. When did america become a welfare state. Your own words betray you dude. Monger On All. Toymann
Watch the Fucking Videos.
It was not my Words. It was your money Master Words, listen and shut the Fuck UP.
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/leaked-videos-show-mitt-romney-unscripted/[/url]
[url]http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/09/secret-romney-fundraiser-video-percent-backing-obama-135786.html?hp=t2_3[/url]
[url]http://updatednews.ca/2012/09/17/mitt-romney-secret-video-reveals-views-on-obama-voters/[/url]
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/09/romney-secret-video-marc-leder-sex-parties
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/09/17/major-romney-fundraiser-hosted-event-leaked-by-mother-jones/
Are you that fucking Dumb?
He paid 13% taxes.
I paid 38.
[QUOTE=Toymann;426441]Sadly WT69, you are a walking example of what Romney and many americans are VERY concerned about. When did america become a welfare state. Your own words betray you dude. Monger On All. Toymann[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 426445]Watch the Fucking Videos.
It was not my Words. It was your money Master Words, listen and shut the Fuck UP.
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/leaked-videos-show-mitt-romney-unscripted/[/url]
[url]http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/09/secret-romney-fundraiser-video-percent-backing-obama-135786.html?hp=t2_3[/url]
[url]http://updatednews.ca/2012/09/17/mitt-romney-secret-video-reveals-views-on-obama-voters/[/url]
Are you that fucking Dumb?
He paid 13% taxes.
I paid 38.[/QUOTE]An excerpt from your link.
"Leaked video of Republican nominee Mitt Romney at closed-door fundraisers show him saying that 'no matter what' he does. 47 percent of the population is going to vote for Obama because they are 'are dependent upon government. ' Tonight in California, Romney did not back down from what he had said."
YOU HAVE NO IDEA DUMBO HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE USA AGREE WITH HIM!
Keep howling at the moon. Like anybody believes you ever paid 38% federal tax in your life union boy. Give me a break! Toymann
I added a few more.
Did you get invited to the Sex Party?
So, Do you want to see my Birth Certificate?
I will get back to you on the correct tax rate tomorrow, but it is more than Romney paid, just on my retirement and Social Security.
When I was working it was too much more.
[QUOTE=Toymann; 426446]An excerpt from your link.
"Leaked video of Republican nominee Mitt Romney at closed-door fundraisers show him saying that 'no matter what' he does. 47 percent of the population is going to vote for Obama because they are 'are dependent upon government. ' Tonight in California, Romney did not back down from what he had said."
YOU HAVE NO IDEA DUMBO HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE USA AGREE WITH HIM!
Keep howling at the moon. Like anybody believes you ever paid 38% federal tax in your life union boy. Give me a break! Toymann[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tiny12;426398]Democrats' Lies[/QUOTE]Thanks Tiny. I was curious what 'Democrat Lies' you would come up with. However, I never expected such a weak list ! Remember, a lie is a statement that is false or based on something false. I'll tackle a few for now. Are Democrats 100% honest all the time? Nope. But this list totally falls short of competing with the stream of lies & deception from the right.
- Harry Reid said that a source he believed to be credible (a former Bain investor) told him about Romney's taxes. And Reid stated he himself didn't know if it was true. You can argue whether it was appropriate for Reid to repeat it, but it wasn't a lie.
- I'll give a "half false" on Romney raising taxes on the middle class. Romney didn't say this, but it does have a basis. Romney is trying to get away with being vague on his policies. So the Obama team requested a non-partisan assessment of what's known about Romney's proposals. The study concluded it wouldn't be possible for Romney to meet all of his stated goals without shifting some of the tax burden from people who make more than $200,000 to people who make less.
- CBO and CBPP analyses confirm Obama's plan will cut the deficit by 3.8 - 4 trillion over 10 years. There are some assessments that put the number lower. Call it a disagreement, but it isn't a lie.
- Likewise the CBO estimates PPACA will not add to the deficit. PPACA repeal would increase the deficit.
- Romney's Medicare plan involves repealing PPACA, which means cutting benefits in PPACA for seniors such as free annual preventive care and increased prescription drug coverage.
- I'll give a "half-false" on Romney killed Joe Soptic's wife. The Obama PAC TV ad never said that. However it implied a connection, which is very tenuous.
- The PPACA mandate was always described as a penalty or a tax penalty. It's not a tax like an income or sales tax. The Romney campaign agrees with this description. The Supreme Court ruling on the constitutionality of the mandate under the taxation clause doesn't mean the original description was a lie.
[QUOTE=Toymann;426446]YOU HAVE NO IDEA DUMBO HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE USA AGREE WITH HIM![/QUOTE]As you would probably surmise, I'm firmly on your side on this. I've worked my ass off most of my life. I was thrifty, didn't buy things I didn't need, and saved and invested wisely. And what did I get for that? Huge tax bills. I've paid the federal government much more in income taxes than I've spent on myself. During much of my life I saw people sitting on their asses, living off the government dole who had houses and cars and lifestyles better than mine. I agree with Romney.
But WT69 is right, this is one more nail in the coffin. As Jackson has said, more lucidly than I can, if half the country isn't paying income tax, why wouldn't they want to stick it to the productive members of society? The USA is headed in the same direction as Greece.
You might have been foolish to have become a United States citizen. I've got my citizenship in Dominca, and I'm just about ready to jump ship. That undoubtedly makes me the worst kind of traitor in the eyes of WT69, but I'm tired of getting fucked by the federal government.
[QUOTE=Tiny12; 426449]As you would probably surmise, I'm firmly on your side on this. I've worked my ass off most of my life. I was thrifty, didn't buy things I didn't need, and saved and invested wisely. And what did I get for that? Huge tax bills. I've paid the federal government much more in income taxes than I've spent on myself. During much of my life I saw people sitting on their asses, living off the government dole who had houses and cars and lifestyles better than mine. I agree with Romney.
But WT69 is right, this is one more nail in the coffin. As Jackson has said, more lucidly than I can, if half the country isn't paying income tax, why wouldn't they want to stick it to the productive members of society? The USA is headed in the same direction as Greece.
You might have been foolish to have become a United States citizen. I've got my citizenship in Dominca, and I'm just about ready to jump ship. That undoubtedly makes me the worst kind of traitor in the eyes of WT69, but I'm tired of getting fucked by the federal government.[/QUOTE]It's not 47% dude. As Romney has said, it's an off the cuff remark at a fund raiser. Do we need to make comment on Obama's off the cuff statements over the years. It's also referenced in WT69's lame article. If Obomanation did get in I don't blame ya a bit for jumping ship. Fear not, and have faith in the american voter. We are not Argentina yet in spite of Esten and Wt69's wet dreams to the contrary. It's getting close but I actually estimate it's only 35-40% that really sucks the government titty and the voter turnout in this group will not be impressive. Keep the faith baby! Toymann out!
[QUOTE=Esten;426448]Remember, a lie is a statement that is false or based on something false.[/QUOTE]Your explanation is a lot like "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." Your definition of "cut" has a lot in common with Clinton's definition of "sexual relations." Not to take anything away from Clinton. He was a 10 times better president than Obama. I'm not a lawyer or a politician. When someone intentionally tries to mislead people, I consider it just as bad as an outright lie.
[QUOTE=Tiny12;426451]When someone intentionally tries to mislead people, I consider it just as bad as an outright lie.[/QUOTE]Esten is NOT built of the kind of stuff that could even comprehend the "real truth" in your statement dude. I arrive in BA late next week. If you are in BA the first beer is on me! WELL SAID. BRAVO!
Monger on TinyDude. Toymann
From liberal yahoo tonight. Just the opening except."President Barack Obama's campaign on Monday tried to tamp down expectations for his debate performance against Mitt Romney, and acknowledged that the former law professor needs to learn to shorten his answers."
Translation. Get ready for Romney to rip Obomanation to shreads in the debates. Head-to-head, we all know what will happen. Substance kicks bullsh*t's ass everytime. Hope we can get it in Argentina. I can hardly wait. This will totally drive Esten and WT69 crazy. Like a maggot on a rabbit chop, Romney will simply take pee wee herman and expose him for what he is! You heard it here first dudes. Happy Mongering All. Toymann
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 426445]He paid 13% taxes.
I paid 38.[/QUOTE]Okay, but I bet his check had a lot more zeros on it, and that's what counts.
Besides, if you don't like the fact that capital gains on investments is taxed at 15%, then lobby your congressmen to change the tax code, but don't expect Romney or anybody else to idiotically pay more than the current tax code specifies.
Thanks,
Jackson
[QUOTE]"Leaked video of Republican nominee Mitt Romney at closed-door fundraisers show him saying that 'no matter what' he does. 47 percent of the population is going to vote for Obama because they 'are dependent upon government. ' Tonight in California, Romney did not back down from what he had said."[/QUOTE]Hey WT,
This Romney quote is entirely accurate.
47 percent of the population is going to vote for Obama because they are dependent upon government.
What I don't understand is why you think that stating this fact is somehow detrimental to Mitt Romney?
Really, I'd like to know.
Thanks,
Jackson
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and / or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
Romney wins!
Hands down!
TL
Dependent on the Government, that is.
Almost more than half the 47% are White.
Blacks are only 12%.
By the Way I am like Romne,y my Taxes are Secret. But I did pay more than him.
[QUOTE=Jackson; 426455]Hey WT,
This Romney quote is entirely accurate.
47 percent of the population is going to vote for Obama because they 'are dependent upon government.
What I don't understand is why you think that stating this fact is somehow detrimental to Mitt Romney?
Really, I'd like to know.
Thanks,
Jackson[/QUOTE]
Romney's latest gaffe has just gone to show what I have said all along: Romney is an out of touch Wall Street slimebag who has no empathy for those who are not in his financial class. His "47%" commentary along with the later released commentary on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict have essentially made him UNELECTABLE in Ohio, Florida, and Virginia at this point.
Actually it is 46%, not 47%.
Here is the break down on who those are:
[url]http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/1001547-Why-No-Income-Tax.pdf[/url]
The map shows what states paid little or no Taxes. Red means None. Blue pays a little. Yes the map is old, but I am sure it is about the same as today.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 426462]Dependent on the Government, that is.
Almost more than half the 47% are White.
Blacks are only 12%.
By the Way I am like Romne, why my Taxes are Secret. But I did pay more than him.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;426464]Romney's latest gaffe has just gone to show what I have said all along: Romney is an out of touch Wall Street slimebag who has no empathy for those who are not in his financial class. His "47%" commentary along with the later released commentary on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict have essentially made him UNELECTABLE in Ohio, Florida, and Virginia at this point.[/QUOTE]Hey SOS,
I understand that you and Esten will categorize everything Romney says as a "gaffe", but we all know it's just spin.
Anyway...
The Romney quote is entirely accurate.
[i]"47 percent of the population is going to vote for Obama because they are dependent upon government."[/i]
What I don't understand is why you think that stating this fact is somehow detrimental to Mitt Romney?
In other words, how exactly does this fact make Romney unelectable anywhere?
It can't be because the statement would embarrass the little piggies feeding at the government trough, because these leaches are obviously not embarrassed by their own failures as they long ago sold their dignity and their freedom along with their vote to the liberal Democrats who promised to continue giving them other people's hard-earned money. The 47% of the country who is taking a government handout isn't now and never was going to vote for Romney.
And it can't be because the 53% who are working to support these leaches would find some motivation in this statement to vote against Romney, because they're the ones getting fucked by the leaches and Romney is their only hope for keeping these leaches under control.
Thanks,
Jackson