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[QUOTE=Punter127;436453]Since I'm in Indonesia jungle is probably a better word than wilderness, but either way I don't feel naked, I feel violated..[/QUOTE]When you go down to Starbucks or McDonalds on the next trail past the waterfalls. You don't want to get violated by the local ladyboys from Kuta.
[QUOTE=Punter127;436453] I would have to manipulate my income to qualify for any amount of subsidy. I'm not about to lower my standard of living in order to get a handout.[/QUOTE]The key is to manipulate your income [B]without[/B] lowering your standard of living. The Roth IRA is probably the best vehicle for that but annuities can work nicely as well. People ready for retirement before 65 can also follow a strategy of selling their least appreciated assets first. This is just taking advantage of the existing tax laws; it's tax avoidance and not tax evasion. It's not any more of a "handout" than the mortgage interest deduction, which shifts housing costs from one set of residents to another.
"Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes.
Judge Learned Hand, Helvering v. Gregory, 69 F .2 d 809,810-11 (2 d Cir. 1934).
[QUOTE=Punter127;436453]...but I suppose government sponsored discrimination is OK.[/QUOTE]Yes, and they call it "Affirmative Action".
It's been said many times, you can't cure stupid. I would add one more thing, you can't cure fiscal irresponsibility but it doesn't stop the Democrats / Progressives from trying.
No matter how stupid you are or fiscally irresponsible you are the Democrats want to "take care of you" but with other people's money.
It's not the government's job to take my money to pay for someone to lay on their ass and not work.
It's not the government's job to take my money to pay to feed someone else.
It's not the government's job to take my money to pay for some one else's healthcare.
You don't work you don't eat and you don't get a handout from Uncle Sugar.
If I CHOSE to donate for any of the above, that is one thing but to have the Government force me to pay for a bunch of lazy loafers is another. Perhaps we would not have so many "needy" if we did not make being needy so attractive! Shut down the Federal Plantation!
Leave these tasks to the local charities and / or states. Let the peoples of the several states decide just how generous they wish to be.
That's right WT69 Esten Black Shirt. Let'm suffer, let'm starve, let'm die.
You might just find a great majority of our "needy" might disappear if a little tough love were applied. "I'm doing this for your own good".
The guys are going to start creating jobs soon.
Remember those ones that are getting big tax breaks to create jobs.
Ops, forgive me I must be on the wrong planet.
Well maybe if you got the federal alphabet soup of agencies off everyone's back that might happen. As long as Obama keeps pushing the country left there is no incentive for business to expand.
I guarantee you paying people NOT TO WORK is not the answer.
Almost every individual and business can and does reduce their tax burden via lower tax rates where eligible, deductions, credits, loopholes, etc. If doing this makes you a parasite, then there are a lot of parasites in the country. From the very poorest to the very richest. Some of you may know that in the Small Business Jobs Act, Obama raised the deduction for small business start up expenses from $5000 to $10000. Is the small business owner a parasite for taking advantage of this deduction? Is a middle class worker a parasite for taking a child tax credit? Do these tax laws promote "government dependency"?
No, the answer is we value small business and children enough to support them through the tax code. And so it is with healthcare. We value access to good healthcare enough that we will use the tax code to help make healthcare affordable to all Americans. Some people complain about subsidizing other people, like it's something new. We've been doing that for awhile, case in point Medicaid. These social programs are widely popular. Even in Texas, most people support providing financial assistance to uninsured and low income Americans to help them purchase healthcare coverage.
[URL]http://s3.amazonaws.com/static.texastribune.org/media/documents/uttt-201310-summary-3.pdf[/URL]
It is the abysmal failure of the private sector to address unmet healthcare needs of millions of Americans with low incomes and preexisting conditions, that has led to government involvement. Just one of many areas where the government is a force for good. Jackson has one valid point, the insurance companies could be out of business if they had to cover everybody. That's why the only answer is for the government to step in and create a new set of rules. Even Republicans recognized this, when they promoted the concept of the individual mandate in the 80's, the 90's and the 2000's.
[QUOTE=BlackShirt;436454]When you go down to Starbucks or McDonalds on the next trail past the waterfalls. You don't want to get violated by the local ladyboys from Kuta.[/QUOTE]I don't support Starbucks for several reason one being I think they're very overpriced for a bad cup of coffee, but the main reason is the way they groveled to progressive gun control freaks a few months ago. McDonalds is equally disliked and always a last choice.
As for the ladyboys that you seem to love talking about,(?) the rumor is that some guy called "Reverend BS" gathered them all up and took them to Bangkok for free universal health care, but that's just a rumor, and I don't think he really got them all...LOL.
[B]Run Ben Run?[/B]
"Only once before, during the Civil War, were Americans as divided as they are today.
Can Dr. Ben Carson become President, will he run?
Will Dr. Carson be the one to end the rancor, the distrust, the divide that has been crassly exploited by the leftwing progressives who control the Democratic Party? Will he unite us as one great nation? Will democrats support him or will racism spring up from the roots of the democrat party again?
Here is a sample of what Dr. Carson is saying.
-Obamacare. Repeal it! Replace it with a free market health savings account.
-National Debt. Cut government spending by 10% each year, across the board, until the budget is balanced!
-Taxes. Make it flat and make sure that everyone has skin in the game. Everyone pays.
-Abortion. End it now! It is barbaric.
-Illegal Immigration. Listen to the American people, secure our borders. End it.
-Redistribution of Income. Stop it. It's un-American.
-Welfare. It not only encourages self-destructive behavior, it is a trap. Replace it with a [URL]truly.com[/URL]passionate, free market approach that enables those on welfare to gain prosperity through employment and entrepreneurship.
-Judges. Appoint judges committed to the US Constitution.
-Political Correctness. It is dangerous. It hinders progress and divides our nation.
-Right to Keep & Bear Arms. It's a vital part of the our Bill of Rights! End of story!
-Democrats and Republicans. Both have been part of the problem. America first!
They have an online petition to draft Dr. Carson, does anybody think he can win?
[URL]http://www.runbenrun.org/petition_newt2012_2013_11_7[/URL]
[QUOTE=Punter127;436473][B]Run Ben Run?[/B]
"Only once before, during the Civil War, were Americans as divided as they are today.
Can Dr. Ben Carson become President, will he run?
Will Dr. Carson be the one to end the rancor, the distrust, the divide that has been crassly exploited by the leftwing progressives who control the Democratic Party? Will he unite us as one great nation? Will democrats support him or will racism spring up from the roots of the democrat party again?
Here is a sample of what Dr. Carson is saying.
-Obamacare. Repeal it! Replace it with a free market health savings account.
-National Debt. Cut government spending by 10% each year, across the board, until the budget is balanced!
-Taxes. Make it flat and make sure that everyone has skin in the game. Everyone pays.
-Abortion. End it now! It is barbaric.
-Illegal Immigration. Listen to the American people, secure our borders. End it.
-Redistribution of Income. Stop it. It's un-American.
-Welfare. It not only encourages self-destructive behavior, it is a trap. Replace it with a [URL]truly.com[/URL]passionate, free market approach that enables those on welfare to gain prosperity through employment and entrepreneurship.
-Judges. Appoint judges committed to the US Constitution.
-Political Correctness. It is dangerous. It hinders progress and divides our nation.
-Right to Keep & Bear Arms. It's a vital part of the our Bill of Rights! End of story!
-Democrats and Republicans. Both have been part of the problem. America first!
They have an online petition to draft Dr. Carson, does anybody think he can win?
[URL]http://www.runbenrun.org/petition_newt2012_2013_11_7[/URL][/QUOTE]Bubba why would the racist, lazy, socialist left leaning loonies keep this guy from running? I know he claims to be unaffiliated but that's clearly a conservative platform. Will the Republicans allow a black, unaffiliated, uncontrollable person to run for president? I'm not saying I agree nor disagree with any of his points (in fact I agree with some and disagree with others) but it's not the Democrats that would keep him from running.
Sorry if I missed your point.
[B]Stop trying to read between the lines, and ignoring question marks.[/B]
[QUOTE=DaddyRulz;436474]Bubba why would the racist, lazy, socialist left leaning loonies keep this guy from running? I know he claims to be unaffiliated but that's clearly a conservative platform. Will the Republicans allow a black, unaffiliated, uncontrollable person to run for president? I'm not saying I agree nor disagree with any of his points (in fact I agree with some and disagree with others) but it's not the Democrats that would keep him from running.
Sorry if I missed your point.[/QUOTE]I wasn't trying to make a point per se, I was pointing out his stance on some issues and asking if he could win and who would support him. I was also exposing the fact that there is a movement to draft him as the Republican nominee. The Republicans would have no choice but to let him run if he wins the nomination.
I didn't say anything about anybody keeping him from running, nor did I say I supported him or agreed with him, Bubba!
Furthermore not all conservatives are Republicans, as matter of fact I believe there was once a creature called a conservative Democrat. (perhaps extinct now?) But if there are any conservatives left in the democrat party would racism stop them from supporting Dr. Carson? I assume you do know of the racist roots of the Democrat Party?
I wasn't trying to read between the lines Hoss, I was just asking a question. I must have misunderstood you. I thought you were putting this guy forward as somebody you liked yourself. Yeah I know that 200 years ago essentially the Democrats were the Republicans and vise versa.
[QUOTE=Punter127;436475][B]Stop trying to read between the lines, and ignoring question marks.[/B]
I wasn't trying to make a point per se, I was pointing out his stance on some issues and asking if he could win and who would support him. I was also exposing the fact that there is a movement to draft him as the Republican nominee. The Republicans would have no choice but to let him run if he wins the nomination.
I didn't say anything about anybody keeping him from running, nor did I say I supported him or agreed with him, Bubba!
Furthermore not all conservatives are Republicans, as matter of fact I believe there was once a creature called a conservative Democrat. (perhaps extinct now?) But if there are any conservatives left in the democrat party would racism stop them from supporting Dr. Carson? I assume you do know of the racist roots of the Democrat Party?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DaddyRulz;436476]I wasn't trying to read between the lines Hoss, I was just asking a question. I must have misunderstood you. I thought you were putting this guy forward as somebody you liked yourself. [/QUOTE]I do like the guy, I like the fact that he's from outside the main stream. I don't agree with everything he says and I don't know that I would vote for him.
[QUOTE=DaddyRulz;436476]Yeah I know that 200 years ago essentially the Democrats were the Republicans and vise versa.[/QUOTE]Did they teach you that in government school?
Look I'm not affiliated with either party, I think they both suck, and I certainly don't like defending the Republican party, but the "Democratic Party, which was formally organized in 1831, became the pro-slavery party.
Would you have us believe that at some point all racist Democrats suddenly rushed into the Republican Party?
After all the Democratic Party was behind slavery, the KKK, and Jim Crow laws. It was also the party of George Wallace, Bull Connor, and how about Sen Robert Byrd, a former recruiter for the KKK. It has ALWAYS been a racist party. What did the Republican party ever do that can compare to that? You can run but you can't hide from history.
[QUOTE]The Democratic Party is the party of the four S’s: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism. Democrats have been running black communities for the past 50+ years, and the socialist policies of the Democrats have turned those communities into economic and social wastelands.
Democrats first used brutality and discriminatory laws to stop blacks from voting for Republicans. Democrats now use deception and government handouts to keep blacks from voting for Republicans. In his book, “Dreams From My Father,” President Barack Obama described what he and other Democrats do to poor blacks as “plantation politics.”[/QUOTE]There has been no switch of racism from one party to the other, that just BS!
Daddy do you want me to go on, do you really want to have this discussion?
CNN's Benghazi report was wrong in part.
The solider that said he climbed the wall, killed a terrorist, etc. Lied. He was his beach house and could not get into city.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;436479]CNN's Benghazi report was wrong in part.
The solider that said he climbed the wall, killed a terrorist, etc. Lied. He was his beach house and could not get into city.[/QUOTE]I bet it was part of the Republican's "War on Women"!