Cafe Exedra

It's 5 o'clock in the morning, why am I writing this report now one might wonder. Did Sportsman just have the session of his life feel the need to share it with his fellow mongers? Sadly that was not the case.

I was with some friends at Exedra tonight. Around 2:00 am a chica and her friend came and joined us at our table since one of the chicas knew a friend of mine. After couple of hours of flirting with them I decided to take Marisa home. She started with 300 pesos and my response was no way. She came back with 200 pesos and I insisted on my usual offer of 150 pesos. We were at a stale mate for a while. Eventually she offered 150 pesos with propina if I have a good time. I know the offer is same as 200 pesos because she would have expected the propina no matter what. She was only doing that to save face. Of course I still said 150 pesos no mas. Then she said how about 150 pesos and taxi fare as propina. That seemed to seal the deal since I was planning to give her the taxi fare anyway. So I paid for my drink and another 10 pesos for hers and off we went.

When we got to my apartment, she went to bathroom first. Then it was my turn. When I came out she was already in my bed buck naked. I removed my clothes and hopped into the bed. Then she asked if I can pay her now. I told her I always pay when finished. She tried to her best to seduce me in paying by rubbing me all over. I wouldn't budge and just laid there in my bed. Then she said "If you don't pay me now I have to leave." Fine with me but I won't pay until we are finished. She got up and got dressed. Then she asked me for taxi fare. I told her I had paid for her drink at Exedra already and won't give her taxi fare because I got nothing for it. Walked her out to the building and she said chau.

I must say I am proud of myself by holding to my gun. How many men can stop with a naked woman in their bed stroking his dick? However, I had two things going for me. First, I really didn't like her look that much, she was acceptable but not someone I have high desire for. Second, I dropped a big load with Camila at 359 Maipu earlier today so I could afford not to drop the second load. Otherwise I might have given in at some point.

That's it for the night. Tomorrow is another day. Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=Sidney]I dropped a ''little load'' with Camilla early in the day! Could you tell?[/QUOTE]Sid,

Unless you were there before 12:30 pm yesterday, I would say Camilia had my "big load" as main course and your "little load" for dessert. ;)

BTW, regarding the chica from Exedra, after more than 20 trips to BA in the past three years, she was the first chica that I ever had to break off the deal after arriving to my apartment. She would not relent in paying upfront, neither did I.

Good job Sportsman. Stand firm on your terms. It will be interesting next time you see her. I think she will know all of the mongers you are sitting will be off limits.

[QUOTE=Sportsman]

BTW, regarding the chica from Exedra, after more than 20 trips to BA in the past three years, she was the first chica that I ever had to break off the deal after arriving to my apartment. She would not relent in paying upfront, neither did I.[/QUOTE]I'm sure there is a reason she so steadfastly demanded her money first. I think you handled the situation just right.

Well done! :cool:

OK, kind of new to this deal, but my last night in Argentina and have made out with a few non-pros (can't close these girls to save my life) and hit a couple apartments over the month or so. Thought for my last night I would take one back to the hotel for several hours of fun. Finally agreed to 3 hours for $250 pesos with a chica at Exedra. Actually had it written down and everything, so no confusion over language. Have the notepad that says 3 horas = 250 pesos. Well after an hour chica say I'm leaving that will be $250 pesos. I say Bullshit and she says, oh no 3 hours is $450 (her initial offer) and that 250 was for 1 hour. She starts bitching loudly, waking up half the hotel. Then says, OK 3 hours for 300 pesos. I'm now seriously pissed and want no part of this girl (not that good either) I boot her ass out giving her $100 pesos which was slightly more than the 83.33 pesos I figured was one third of our deal.

She seemed so sweet and easy going up until this point that I would have totally paid her upfront if she asked (yeah, I'm naive) Now I realize why you guys never pay upfront. I would have zero leverage at that point.

And for the life of me I can't remember her name.

"Actually had it written down and everything"

In Argentina even a written contract is worthless. Can't tell you how many times it has happened where the Argie party to the contract simply ignores a clause that is not in their best interest.

[QUOTE=Mike Dog 2007]OK, kind of new to this deal, but my last night in Argentina and have made out with a few non-pros (can't close these girls to save my life) and hit a couple apartments over the month or so. Thought for my last night I would take one back to the hotel for several hours of fun. Finally agreed to 3 hours for $250 pesos with a chica at Exedra. Actually had it written down and everything, so no confusion over language. Have the notepad that says 3 horas = 250 pesos. Well after an hour chica say I'm leaving that will be $250 pesos. I say Bullshit and she says, oh no 3 hours is $450 (her initial offer) and that 250 was for 1 hour. She starts bitching loudly, waking up half the hotel. Then says, OK 3 hours for 300 pesos. I'm now seriously pissed and want no part of this girl (not that good either) I boot her ass out giving her $100 pesos which was slightly more than the 83.33 pesos I figured was one third of our deal.

She seemed so sweet and easy going up until this point that I would have totally paid her upfront if she asked (yeah, I'm naive) Now I realize why you guys never pay upfront. I would have zero leverage at that point.

And for the life of me I can't remember her name.[/QUOTE]You handled the situation very well, and you are exactly right this is why you don ’t pay up front. I wish you could remember her name.

[b]Good Job!!![/b] :D

[QUOTE=Sportsman]It's 5 o'clock in the morning, why am I writing this report now one might wonder. Did Sportsman just have the session of his life feel the need to share it with his fellow mongers? Sadly that was not the case.

I was with some friends at Exedra tonight. Around 2:00 am a chica and her friend came and joined us at our table since one of the chicas knew a friend of mine. After couple of hours of flirting with them I decided to take Marisa home. She started with 300 pesos and my response was no way. She came back with 200 pesos and I insisted on my usual offer of 150 pesos. We were at a stale mate for a while. Eventually she offered 150 pesos with propina if I have a good time. I know the offer is same as 200 pesos because she would have expected the propina no matter what. She was only doing that to save face. Of course I still said 150 pesos no mas. Then she said how about 150 pesos and taxi fare as propina. That seemed to seal the deal since I was planning to give her the taxi fare anyway. So I paid for my drink and another 10 pesos for hers and off we went.

When we got to my apartment, she went to bathroom first. Then it was my turn. When I came out she was already in my bed buck naked. I removed my clothes and hopped into the bed. Then she asked if I can pay her now. I told her I always pay when finished. She tried to her best to seduce me in paying by rubbing me all over. I wouldn't budge and just laid there in my bed. Then she said "If you don't pay me now I have to leave." Fine with me but I won't pay until we are finished. She got up and got dressed. Then she asked me for taxi fare. I told her I had paid for her drink at Exedra already and won't give her taxi fare because I got nothing for it. Walked her out to the building and she said chau.

I must say I am proud of myself by holding to my gun. How many men can stop with a naked woman in their bed stroking his dick? However, I had two things going for me. First, I really didn't like her look that much, she was acceptable but not someone I have high desire for. Second, I dropped a big load with Camila at 359 Maipu earlier today so I could afford not to drop the second load. Otherwise I might have given in at some point.

That's it for the night. Tomorrow is another day. Happy mongering![/QUOTE]Great post. Anyone paying upfront for any service-based professional needs to be aware that eventually they will soon be parted from their money. I generally never, ever pay up-front or even half-down (materials excluded) for a service-based professional. And especially in an industry where supply greatly exceeds demand.

These recent posts only prove to me that lowballing chicas has its downside as well.

My approach is you need to strike the right balance between not paying too much (where the chica may respect you less) and not paying too little (where the chica may warm up to you less) Both parties need to be sufficiently happy with the deal so the negotiations and agreements are out of the way and the focus can be on other things. For the same reason, I usually pay up front when asked. I want the chica to be comfortable and not thinking about payment during the session.

On occasion, after the deal is made I have said I don't want any more discussion of price or tipping when we get back to my hotel. The chicas always agreed and held to the agreement.

I think its very debatable whether bargaining hard for low prices and insisting on paying after, yield the best results on average.

[QUOTE=Esten]These recent posts only prove to me that lowballing chicas has its downside as well.

My approach is you need to strike the right balance between not paying too much (where the chica may respect you less) and not paying too little (where the chica may warm up to you less) Both parties need to be sufficiently happy with the deal so the negotiations and agreements are out of the way and the focus can be on other things. For the same reason, I usually pay up front when asked. I want the chica to be comfortable and not thinking about payment during the session.

On occasion, after the deal is made I have said I don't want any more discussion of price or tipping when we get back to my hotel. The chicas always agreed and held to the agreement.

I think its very debatable whether bargaining hard for low prices and insisting on paying after, yield the best results on average.[/QUOTE]And what is your recourse if she fails to provide the service agreed on, or runs out the door before the agreed upon time has expired?

Do you pay other types of independent service providers you have just met up front as well?

[QUOTE=Punter 127]And what is your recourse if she fails to provide the service agreed on, or runs out the door before the agreed upon time has expired?

Do you pay other types of independent service providers you have just met up front as well?[/QUOTE]Never pay up front, no matter what. By the laws of chicaland, mangos in the purse are earned mangos and require no further service. Mangos on the dresser are not in possession and may not end up in the purse. Once you pay their thoughts are on "how do I get more mango's?" Not "How do I make this guy come like Peter North?"

[QUOTE=Daddy Rulz]Never pay up front, no matter what. By the laws of chicaland, mangos in the purse are earned mangos and require no further service. Mangos on the dresser are not in possession and may not end up in the purse. Once you pay their thoughts are on "how do I get more mango's?" Not "How do I make this guy come like Peter North?"[/QUOTE]Exactly. Would you pay a plumber up front to clean out your pipes before he completes the work? Of course not. Same theory goes for a service provider. Essentially, they are both cleaning pipes, right?

"He who holds the gold makes the rules."

"Possession is 9/10ths of the law."

Yeah but the plumber isn't stroking your dick, putting your hands on his tits and rubbing his ass in your face while he negotiates the deal (OR IS HE?

[QUOTE=Thomaso276]Yeah but the plumber isn't stroking your dick, puTting your hands on his tits and rubbing his ass in your face while he negotiates the deal (OR IS HE?[/QUOTE]Hahahahaha - But he charges you almost as if he did!:)