2012 Elections in the USA

Greetings everyone,

I was searching the internet for information on Obama's management style and I came across this:

[quote]Ineptocracy.

(in-ep-toc'-ra-cy). A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.[/QUOTE]What I want to know from Esten, WT69 and the other liberals here is: What part of [i]"the members of society least likely to sustain themselves...are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers"[/i] do you not understand?

Thanks,

Jackson

The only thing Fast and Furious about this story is Republican Darrell Issa's masturbating at the thought of being another hero for the GOP.

1.5 years, over 7000 documents released, 7 Congressional hearings with Holder, but Issa keeps trying to milk this story for negative media coverage. They keep bringing up the border patrol agent who was shot and killed, but the idea that Mexicans would not have obtained firearms without F&F is ludicrous.

This program had successes, but also flaws and therefore deserved investigation, but at this point it's become abundantly clear what Republican motivations are. Everytime I hear of this ongoing political witchhunt in the news, I am reminded what a negative influence the GOP is in this country.

Esten as you rail against Issa you answer your own question, if there is nothing there then why not turn over the documents 1.5 years ago when they were first subpoenaed? If there is nothing there why has the president in the 11th hour tried to shield the documents via a very questionable use of executive privilege?

Any reasonable person would come to the conclusion there is something damaging there which may reach as far as the White House. What happened to Obama's promise of an open and transparent administration, or is it only to be open and transparent when the mood suits Obama or is to his benefit?

Of course the cartels will continue to secure arms, that is not the point. The point is our government facilitated arming them with a seriously flawed program which was seeking to snare an FBI informant who was then shielded.

Have you become so callow, callous and uncaring that the loss a law enforcement officer's life has no meaning when caused by weapons provided by his own government? I can assure you his life had meaning to him and his family; it was as precious to him as YOURS IS TO YOU.

Esten you should rethink that argument, it is not some place you want to go.

[QUOTE=Doppelganger;423445](O)ur government facilitated arming them with a seriously flawed program . (does) the loss a(n) officer's life ha(ve) no meaning when caused by weapons provided by his own government?[/QUOTE]Yep Doppel. The points are damning. Especially as they describe Reagan's "seriously flawed" programs throught the 1980s of giving al Qaeda and the Talibans tens of millions of dollars worth of arms including stinger missiles and selling Saddam tens of millions in all kinds of arms including chemical and biological materials.

In the first case, Cheney and Rumsfled were fighting an ill-conceived proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan and in the second one against Iran.

Those very same weapons were used two decades later to kill and maim American troops.

Seems a bit more serious than "Fast and Furious". More like "Slow and Deadly".

[QUOTE=Esten; 423444]The only thing Fast and Furious about this story is Republican Darrell Issa's masturbating at the thought of being another hero for the GOP.

1. 5 years, over 7000 documents released. 7 Congressional hearings with Holder, but Issa keeps trying to milk this story for negative media coverage. They keep bringing up the border patrol agent who was shot and killed, but the idea that Mexicans would not have obtained firearms without F&F is ludicrous.

This program had successes, but also flaws and therefore deserved investigation, but at this point it's become abundantly clear what Republican motivations are. Everytime I hear of this ongoing political witchhunt in the news, I am reminded what a negative influence the GOP is in this country.[/QUOTE]You are so blinded by your own dogma.

[QUOTE=Esten; 423444]The only thing Fast and Furious about this story is Republican Darrell Issa's masturbating at the thought of being another hero for the GOP.

1. 5 years, over 7000 documents released. 7 Congressional hearings with Holder, but Issa keeps trying to milk this story for negative media coverage. They keep bringing up the border patrol agent who was shot and killed, but the idea that Mexicans would not have obtained firearms without F&F is ludicrous.

This program had successes, but also flaws and therefore deserved investigation, but at this point it's become abundantly clear what Republican motivations are. Everytime I hear of this ongoing political witchhunt in the news, I am reminded what a negative influence the GOP is in this country.[/QUOTE]Go tell your Bull Shit to the Brain Terry family. Your post is complete 'word salad', you are hopelessly confused!

It just keeps getting better. First Bill Clinton slides a wet sloppy brown on Obama's face claiming Obama doesn't have the intelligence to add 2 and 2. Now Carter is pissing all over Obama.

I can understand why Clinton and Carter have had enough of that birdbrain imposter Obama. What I can't understand is why anyone with an IQ higher than their shoesize still supports Obama.

The Conservative press keeps saying the lack of jobs is Obama's fault. But if he tries to create jobs they say that he is raising the Debt.

But the way to create jobs would have to be by the 1%ers.

The Charts show that the Corporations are making millions by not creating jobs.

Romney said if he was president he would not send jobs out of the country. Making it sound like it was Obama's fault. He was the pioneer in sending jobs out of the country.

Also, here something about the super pacs.

[url]http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/Reich-Super-PACs-must-face-accountability-3637364.php[/url]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;423497]The Charts show that the Corporations are making millions by not creating jobs.[/QUOTE]Probably more like billions in profits, not millions. Of course if you dare to criticize corporations, Republicans will say you're "anti-business".

Chronological Listing of Agents Killed in Line of Duty:

[url]www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/border_security/border_patrol/border_patrol_officer_memorial/chron_listing_agents/[/url]

These stats show a couple things:
- Border agents are killed every year.
- The year agent Terry was killled (2010) , the number of agents killed (3) was not disproportionate vs. previous years.

What happened to agent Terry was unfortunate, but there is no evidence he would be alive today without F&F. The stats show his death was part of a normal baseline for this type of job.

The F&F investigation isn't focused on how he was killed, but on "who knew what, when". Even if the point was to make sure this doesn't happen again, everybody including Holder agrees the program had flaws and shouldn't happen again. So what's left? Nothing more than a witchhunt for political purposes. By the logic expressed here, Issa could keep asking for more and more documents for years, and if someone then questioned whether enough was enough, we'd hear "How callous, what about poor agent Terry?"

Most people and their dog are now seeing the F&F "investigation" for the political dog and pony show it has become. It's backfiring and is now a negative for the GOP.

[QUOTE=Jackson;423443]What I want to know from Esten, WT69 and the other liberals here is: What part of [i]"the members of society least likely to sustain themselves.are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers"[/i] do you not understand?[/QUOTE]Jackson, please provide a listing of these rewards, so we can have a look at them.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;423497]The Charts show that the Corporations are making millions by not creating jobs[/QUOTE]The next time I want an economics lecture from a high school graduate (maybe) union worker or his wild-ass liberal side kick, please shoot me where I stand. Of course, large corproations don't create jobs in tough times or even great times. New Flash for you two, in America, job creation has always been drivien by small business! Obamanation hates free enterprise, capitalism and business in total, especially small business. Getting rid of this clown will go a long way to release the pent up aspect of our economy related to small business. LIKE THIS IS NEW NEWS? IALOTFLMAO! You two are a match made in heavan. What planet have you lived on the last half century? My only consolation is that WT69 is too destitute to travel to BA for great pussy (what happened to your union pension dude) and Esten is most likely not far off as hasn't been to BA in recent memory. Tick! Tick! Tick! Just remember ol'Toymann called this deal over a year ago. We'll get this straight in novemeber, and my boy Romney will get us back on track. Happy Mongering All. Toymann

I normally do not get involved in political discussions on this board, but Toyman's post sounds like an angry old white man who likes to brag about what he has at the expense of others. Personally attacking someone for their opinion rather than the substance of the opinion is very characteristic of Republican political speech today and is totally uncivilized. Next time Toyman grow-up and logically rebut the opinion and don't vilify the person. It will add more weight to your argument.

Toyman and his like-minded friends have forgotten who got us into the economic mess-"W" and his ilk. None of the Republican players who profited the most from the economic meltdown suffered any significant economic loss or any loss at all. If Romney is elected and the same short-sighted, economically challenged Republican legislators are returned to power and the "W" team reinstalled, the economy will tank just like it did under Hoover and the Republicans will become a marginal political party.

The CDOs and SWAPS and other sophisticated debt obligations were just as responsible for the financial problems as the housing bubble. Witness the recent JP Morgan fiasco. Two wars, one of which was unnecessary and manufactured, which were almost totally paid for with borrowed money has contributed to most of the current deficit. Historically, the greatest additions to the national debt were incurred during two Republican presidencies, RRR and "W". The current Republican fixation on the national debt wants to ignore the very public statement by Chaney that "deficits do not matter". He should know. He was present and participated in the creation of over 12 trillion dollars of the current US debt while in the administrations of RRR and "W".

There must overtime be a combination of revenue enhancement and spending reduction, but you cannot sacrifice the future to pay for the past. No modern economic theorist believes that reduced public spending during a recession will enhance economic growth. The austerity program for Europe, similar to the Ryan proposal, will be a disaster for the Euro Zone. We will have a laboratory to examine the economic veracity of the Ryan Plan in Europe and will be able to determine its effectiveness in expanding economic growth and reducing government debt.

While working for my employer masters, I managed to get a College Degree.

I guess you did not see the Chart about the Market growth. Looks like he must be a bad commie.

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/05/obama-signs-small-business-legislation/[/url]

If O'Romney gets back in, there goes more jobs, stripped and or sent out of the Country.

P.S.
I forgot to mention that I was in Nicaragua checking out the chicas and making a List for the Guys, in January. That is one reason I have not been to Buenos Aires.

Oh Yes, Please stop smoking those Cow Chips.

[QUOTE=Toymann;423501]Obamanation hates free enterprise, capitalism and business in total, especially small business.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mbronzini; 423502]Personally attacking someone for their opinion rather than the substance of the opinion is very characteristic of Republican political speech today and is totally uncivilized. Next time Toyman grow-up and logically rebut the opinion and don't vilify the person.
[/QUOTE]Uncivilized. IALOTFLMAO! This is the political thread and there is very little civilized about it! I have known WT69 and Esten for a long time now and although our politics are very different we can sit down and have a beer most days without any issue what so ever. I searched your posts and it's just been a while since you swooped in to defend Chanel, TL, etc. Etc. Too funny. Suggest a 3 year newbie like you get off of this thread as you just don't have the stomach for it. Roaring idiot. It comes as little surprise that the "it's all W's fault" nonsense is your point of view. Suggest you research the deregulation of the housing market. You'll find it occurred in the 90's and furthermore the devil W tried to alert the liberals that Fanny and Freddy were in big trouble in his last two years of his term BUT, when guese who was in power. Oh I forgot, how could a neanderthal like me discuss politics with a "free thinkre" like you. Back into your hole silly boy. Neither WT69 or Esten are ever offended by my posts. It's all in fun you prickly dork! Happy Mongering All. Toymann