Notice how Republicans never cite their own poll numbers, which are absolutely in the toilet. Lower than approval ratings for Congressional Democrats, and less than half of Obama.
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Notice how Republicans never cite their own poll numbers, which are absolutely in the toilet. Lower than approval ratings for Congressional Democrats, and less than half of Obama.
[QUOTE=Esten;436737]Notice how Republicans never cite their own poll numbers, which are absolutely in the toilet. Lower than approval ratings for Congressional Democrats, and less than half of Obama.[/QUOTE]Surely you jest. There are no Republicans on this board, only 'Libertarians.
Mongers-.
The clock is ticking for Jackson and his slithery fascist brethren.
[URL]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-20/blame-rich-overeducated-elites-as-our-society-frays.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=RevBS;436723]From the NY Times, Timothy Egan, November 21,2013.(selected).
"The South is once again committed to take a backward path. By refusing to expand health care to the working poor through Medicaid, most of the Confederacy is keeping millions of its own citizens in poverty and poor health. They are dooming themselves further, as the Left Behind States.
And they are doing it out spite(can you believe that, just because of Obama). Most of the South is defiant--their own Lost Cause of the 21st century.
And so the South continue their incestous and self destructive ways. In a world of their own making. But there will be an awakening one day, hope it won't be too late.[/QUOTE]That sounds a lot to me more like a passive-aggressive way of saying "you're either with us or against us", much like a lot of progressives accused Bush of when he was inciting war with Iraq. God forbid should people have their own reasons for doing things without all the guilt-tripping that goes along with it. On either side.
I'm sure they are doing all that "just to spite Obama."
[QUOTE=Dickhead;436734]Bondholders don't have equity. They are creditors. And THAT is a fact.[/QUOTE]And as creditors, they were in line before any stockholders to be repaid from any equity that may have remained after a legal bankrupacy, and THAT is a fact.
In this case, the Obama administration ignored the country's bankrupacy laws and instead gave $25 billion in GM stock to the UAW while simultaneously telling the legitimate GM bondholders to go pound sand, and THAT is a fact.
[B][size=3]Of course, the most important thing to liberals is that we're not talking about the ObamaCare diaster![/size][/B]
[QUOTE=Dickhead;436745]Surely you jest. There are no Republicans on this board, only 'Libertarians.[/QUOTE]That's because in the view of many fiscally conservative members of this forum the Republican Party is on the wrong side of a number of social issues including recreational drugs, contractual sex, right to choose, etc.
Thus if you are fiscally conservative but socially liberal, you have embraced the basic tenants of the Libertarian philosophy.
Thanks,
Jax.
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For the record, I am [u]NOT[/u] a Republican, and I am [u]NOT[/u] a conservative.
- I am [u]against[/u] the death penalty.
- I am [u]against[/u] [u]any[/u] government support of religious organizations.
- I am [u]for[/u] the legalization of recreational drugs.
- I am [u]for[/u] the legalization of commercial sex.
- I am [u]for[/u] a woman's right to choose.
- I am [u]for[/u] comprehensive sex education.
- I am [u]for[/u] a foreign guest worker program.
- I am [u]for[/u] a universal flat tax on [u]EVERYONE'S[/u] income.
- I am [u]for[/u] health [u]INSURANCE[/u] reform.
- I am [u]for[/u] health [u]JUSTICE[/u] reform.
I am a member of the Libertarian Party, registered as an Independent.
[QUOTE=RockHarders;436746]Mongers-.
The clock is ticking for Jackson and his slithery fascist brethren.
[URL]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-20/blame-rich-overeducated-elites-as-our-society-frays.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Hey Rock,
Apparently you missed an important day in civics class, so let me educate you.
According to the Webster dictionary, fascism is "[I]a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government, very harsh control or authority[/I].
The word "fascist" much more accurately describes your hero Obama than it does me.
Thanks,
Jax
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For the record, I am [u]NOT[/u] a Republican, and I am [u]NOT[/u] a conservative.
- I am [u]against[/u] the death penalty.
- I am [u]against[/u] [u]any[/u] government support of religious organizations.
- I am [u]for[/u] the legalization of recreational drugs.
- I am [u]for[/u] the legalization of commercial sex.
- I am [u]for[/u] a woman's right to choose.
- I am [u]for[/u] comprehensive sex education.
- I am [u]for[/u] a foreign guest worker program.
- I am [u]for[/u] a universal flat tax on [u]EVERYONE'S[/u] income.
- I am [u]for[/u] health [u]INSURANCE[/u] reform.
- I am [u]for[/u] health [u]JUSTICE[/u] reform.
I am a member of the Libertarian Party, registered as an Independent.
[QUOTE=Jackson;436757]I am [u]for[/u] health [u]JUSTICE[/u] reform.[/QUOTE]I've never heard the term "health justice". I googled it but came up empty. What does it mean if you don't mind me asking?
How do you feel about the Tea Party?
Shouldn't the Tea Party be a third Party?
It seems like they are too conservative for the Sane Republicans.
[QUOTE=Jackson;436757]Hey Rock,
Apparently you missed an important day in civics class, so let me educate you.
According to the Webster dictionary, fascism is "[I]a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government, very harsh control or authority[/I].
The word "fascist" much more accurately describes your hero Obama that it does me.
Thanks,
Jax
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For the record, I am [u]NOT[/u] a Republican, and I am [u]NOT[/u] a conservative.
- I am [u]against[/u] the death penalty.
- I am [u]against[/u] [u]any[/u] government support of religious organizations.
- I am [u]for[/u] the legalization of recreational drugs.
- I am [u]for[/u] the legalization of commercial sex.
- I am [u]for[/u] a woman's right to choose.
- I am [u]for[/u] comprehensive sex education.
- I am [u]for[/u] a foreign guest worker program.
- I am [u]for[/u] a universal flat tax on [u]EVERYONE'S[/u] income.
- I am [u]for[/u] health [u]INSURANCE[/u] reform.
- I am [u]for[/u] health [u]JUSTICE[/u] reform.
I am a member of the Libertarian Party, registered as an Independent.[/QUOTE]
Michael Hiltzik, Los Angeles Times, November 22,2013.(selected).
"House Speaker John Boehner tried to make a public spectacle out of his own experience signing for a health plan. Things didn't turn out quite the way he'd hoped for. In other words, he succeeded. Boehner did pretty well with ObamaCare. He was eligible for a bronze plan (among others) with a $6,000 annual deductible for $372.14 which is just 2% of Boehner's salary.
And so it goes, we are 7 weeks into the transition, it's been crazy. You mean you expected it to be clockwork, how naive can you be. Ever try to go to the airport on a holiday weekend? One Monday, I couldn't even return my rental car for over an hour. Frustration abound. But in the GOP camp, they are dancing with joy and predicting disaster. We shall see, in another 2 months, in another 10 months. Will the dancing continue to be frantic, drug induced body jerking or to a mere shuffling of the feet. Very interesting times.
Fascists and libertarians are about as far apart as you can get on the political spectrum.
Fascism, socialism, and communism are movements that have considerably more in common with modern progressive liberalism (aka nannyism) than modern Conservatism or Libertarianism.
The auto bailout which was started under Bush and continued by Obama (anybody can follow the leader) was a merger of government and corporate power, however in true capitalism there is no such thing as "to big to fail". Chrysler has been bailed out twice over the years, how many times should we reward poor management, until they can't repay perhaps?
If you want to see the real effects of collective bargaining and progressive liberal leadership one need look no farther than the auto industry and the bankrupt city of Detroit, which hasn't had a Republican mayor in 50 years.
You can also see the merger of government and corporate power in ObamaCare, individuals are being forced to buy insurance from private insurers, that's certainly not capitalism. It's all being controlled by big business, the unions, (which are also big business) and big banks, and the Obama parasites are in bed with all of them.
When a bigoted progressive liberal starts name calling and stereotyping people it really doesn't have much effect other than to get them some left handed high fives. In this case however it also exposes the progressive liberals lack of class and their desperation as the wheels fall off the ObamaCare buggy.
[B]”Democrats Afraid Leaders Suffer Obamacare Denial”[/B]
[QUOTE]With millions of Americans receiving health insurance cancellation notices and President Barack Obama's approval and trustworthiness ratings nosediving, Democratic strategists and pollsters say they fear top Democratic congressional leaders are in denial over the electoral consequences of the Obamacare debacle.
"We're trying to deny what everyone knows is happening," a veteran Democratic pollster told Politico. [highlight]"Anybody who is halfway intelligent knows this is a big ... problem for us.[/highlight] It's impossible not to see. We can try to hide our heads in the sand and pretend it's not a problem, but it is."
Another Democratic pollster, Paul Maslin, said, "As worried as they were a month ago, we're worried now."
Still, Democratic leaders like House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) say Obamacare will be an electoral asset, not liability, in next year's midterm elections.
"I think actually that Democratic candidates will be able to run on Obamacare as an advantage leading into the 2014 elections," Schultz said.
Similarly, Pelosi has said Democrats "stand by the policy--we're proud of it."
[highlight]A CNN/ORC poll released Monday finds that for the first time, 53% of Americans believe Obama is not honest or trustworthy, and 56% do not admire Obama.
According to the RealClearPolitics poll average, 57% of Americans are against Obamacare.[/highlight]
[url]http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/25/Democrats-Afraid-Leaders-Suffer-Obamacare-Denial[/url]
[/QUOTE]We didn't need Nancy Pelosi and Debbie Wasserman Schultz to tell us ObamaCare's an electoral asset, Rev. BS has been preaching that for a long time.
I hope every Democrat running takes thier advice and openly supports ObamaCare.
Obama circumvented standard Chapter 13 bankruptcy laws and placed GM & Chrysler in something I call Obama-rutcy, to insure the UAW kept their current labor contracts intact and not to "save the company".
Neither GM nor Chrysler considered filing Chapter 7, liquidation of the company and it's assets. Had GM & Chrysler followed a standard Chapter 13 bankruptcy course the court would most probably have allowed them to void their current labor contracts with the UAW. The companies would have emerged from Chapter 13 leaner and more competitive with new labor contracts.
This was simple naked pandering to the UAW by Obama. Why else would Obama put the American people on the hook for THREE TIMES WHAT THE COMPANY WAS WORTH?
While GM has "repaid" their loans from the initial bailout, they merely exchanged those loans for new government loans.
ObamaCare is still a train wreck and the website will not be up and running by the end of November as Obama promised. In fact the administration is telling its supporters not to use the site and is trying to place work- a-rounds in to let people sign up and not use the website.
If Obama thought the individual health policy cancellations were something the second shoe is going to drop in August – October 2014 when company insurance policies begin receiving cancellation notices throwing over 100 million people off their company plans.
Obama and the Democrats knew back in 2010 both individual and company insurance plans would be cancelled due to ObamaCare and just continued to lie to the American people.
2014 is coming and it will make 2010 look like a church social for the Democrats. I only hope the Republicans don't dance on their dicks too much and win a veto proof majority to insure there is no ink in Obama's veto pen. Then we can get back to a sane domestic and foreign policy.
Wow, can you believe it?
[URL]http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/Conservative-leads-effort-on-wages-in-California-5014766.php[/URL]