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>I booked upfront the journey my new year trip to BA and Punta del Este but >I will cancel this for sure for a Brazil trip - the hardware there is really better >and in another quantity than in BA.
>If you're interested in more details please post.
This post is appreciated. I speak Spanish, so I'm more inclined to go to Argentina rather than Brazil /Rio. In general the chicas in Rio are hot and attractive but found the "danger" level a bit high in Rio on my last visit five years ago more than I wanted to handle. Argentina seems to be going down the same path, safety wise.
The BA photos of the Saint were a bit disappointing in some ways, just a level above the usual 7's in San Jose, CR and there seems to be a concern recently that the BA internet girls are falsely advertised.
I was in BA about ten years ago but not for the hobby and really enjoyed the city and inhabitants. I want to return to BA for hobby purposes. Quality rather than cut rate prices is paramount.
I know that all this is subjective but can someone reply to this post with a counter argument based on experience?
Is the poster correct. Are there 10's (Penelop Cruz is a 10 in my book) in BA or just whorey looking hookers with fake boobs and five kids to support. I go for semi-pros with GFE, with looks and a degree of personal charm and culture.
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Can you tell us more about Pacha Disco?
Thanks.
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Bond, James Bond: I love BA. Yes, it is changing. No, not all changes are for the better.
But BA is still basically the same charming city you visited 10 years ago. Only now everything costs less. Much less.
Is it more dangerous? Slightly. There has been an undeniable increase in petty theft. Certainly You should exercize a bit more caution when venturing out at night. But let's place the crime rate in perspective.
What fool in his right mind would walk around on the downtown streets of San Francisco, Detroit, Miami or any other large U.S. city alone and drunk? No, a cautious person would take a cab rather than strolling down a dimly lit street. The same is true in Buenos Aires.
In late August I walked up and down Junin street in Recoleta at 2 in the morning and felt perfectly safe....Junin is "restaurant row" in Recoleta and was jammed with people...Precautions: I wore a newly purchased Timex rather than my Tag. I left the bulk of my cash in the security box in my room. I placed some of my money in a money pouch and stuffed it down my pants.
I had a ball in the restaurants and clubs in and around the center of Recoleta. But When I got ready to return to Art Suites I hailed a radio cab, whereas formerly I would have walked the 5 or 6 blocks down a not-so-well traveled street to my hotel....
With these simple precautions I experienced no difficulty and never once felt endangered....
Chica quality. I prefer quality over quantity. I look for GFE's from non-hardened chicas. BA has never disappointed me. Never. Not in August 2001 on my first visit or in August 2002, my most recent visit.
I visited three or four clubs in August......
Affaire in Recoleta was chock full of inviting chicas, many as young as 19 and ranging to late 30s. I also visited Blandish, a new club. Here I met a chica in her younger 20s. Brunette. Friendly. Great conversationalist.
One night we ventured out to another barrio, Floresta. The clubs here were full of 8s and 9s....I spent time with an 8plus brunette, tall, slender, medical student who works at night to put herself through school....I found another brunette to my liking (do you detect my weakness for raven haired Latinas?) in Ness in the downtown areaon a Sunday evening, not the best of nights.....Again, she was incredibly sweet and eager to go the extra mile to please.
A caveat....I have a chica favorita in BA with whom I spend the majority of my time, but on the two nights I ventured out with a group of guys we had no problem finding chicas of quality. I never invite a chica home if I don't find her attractive. And I don't seal the deal in the club until I have spent enough time with her to get a feel for the kind of person she is....if she sends out vibes that she is not going to provide a GFE, I don't care how attractive she is....I'm not going with her. I have found that if you treat chicas with respect, take a personal interest in them, and don't bargain too much....it pays tremendous dividends.
This having been said, every ****** is different in terms of the way we interact with chicas and what we are looking for looks-wise....but for my money, I'm on a plane for BA every chance I get.....including later this month and again next month.....Hey, I already have a ticket in hand for February as well....and I may go one more time between my already scheduled trips in November and february.....
Jamesbond....the money may be of less importance to you, but I have used what I save in chica costs now that the peso has been devalued to purchase additional tickets to BA.....I can go 4 times now for what I would have spent in the predevaluation days for two trips.....
ps....not one of the chicas I was with was hardened or had fake boobs.....Since I am interested in getting to know a chica before I take her home I do not use internet services very often. March was the last time I had a net-girl visit me.....She was from Platynum. Her pix were of her and recent. The experience was excellent.....
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James Bond--
Lemme try to shed some light on your concern about the chicas in BA.
There is a vast pool of talent to choose from. The majority of the girls in the clubs (when you get right down to it) are 5-7s and basically look like the whorish girls you fear exist down there. (If we are to be perfectly honest)
But if you are patient and bounce about to 2 or 3 clubs on a given evening (my favorite club was Playwoman) you will have no problem finding a chica whose face rivals Penelope Cruz (who in my book is actually sort of average--a 7.5--a tad mousy!)
In a club like Blacks, there are about 30 girls working. Most of these gals are 6s-7s. But when I was last there (in March of 2002) I always saw a few that had absoultely stunning looking faces that rivaled Salma Hayek, Penelope Cruz etc.....(Although, sometmes, the really beautiful faced girls in Blacks didn't have perfect bodies, small tities, flat ass/ fat ass).
I personally experienced several girls in Argentina that would rate as American Stripper/Porn Star quality girls. (Huge tits, tiny waists, heartshaped asses, sexy faces).
These "super chicas" (as my Argentino friend calls them) are the reason to go the clubs. Some nights she'll be there. Other nights she won't....You will have to ferret out a that special girl--what a tough decision! (What do you do when you are in a club--and you are forced to chose between a beautiful faced chica with no tits and a little pot belly--or an sex goddess with 36DD tits, a perfect ass--BUT, an average face??? WHAT WILL YOU DO? Will you go home solo and jack off? Or will you drop $150 pesos to find out if the average faced sex goddess knows how to deep throat?
So to answer your question--you are not going to find a smorgasbord of perfect tens whoring themselves in BA bars. That's not a realistic ideal in which to purchase your plane ticket and you will be disappointed when you arrive.
Remember--a perfect 10 anywhere in the world can command a lifestyle for herself that doesn't involve whoring with strangers (She can be the private ***** for a wealthy guy instead).
But as far as I am concerned, BA was the best experience I ever had. There is huge quantity. And there is also quality
You just need to search and you are virtually assured of finding and having a chica better looking than your Penelope Cruz standard...I would say your chances of finding this girl (for 200 pesos mind you) is around 90%.
Now go and report back!
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EZY and LA Larry,
Nice posts form both of you. There are times when you go to the clubs, and you think the quality is going downhill fast. yet there are other times that it will amaze you.
Thanks again,
Moondog
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Jamesbond69,
Everything is relative in life. I also don't think Penelope Cruz is a 10. Personally, I saw many girls hotter than her but that was in my opinion. That's why these message boards will only do so much good. If you want to find out for sure you have to get your behind down there and find out for yourself.
One man's heaven is another man's hell. I'm sure that not everyone will like Buenos Aires. Out of 30 some guys that emailed me that have been down since May.... only one found his experience bad or lackluster.
I do think the talent has deteriorated there. Due to the economy. That's why guys that think all of us Americans going down there "are going to ruin the scene" just plain don't know what they are talking about. Unless there is more "money" for the working girls.....they will go to other cities where the economy is better. As far as I'm concerned..the more Americans that go down right now the better.
Buenos Aires isn't a city like Rio where there are tons of daytime action. Even though I find BA to be heaven, some of you need to come to reality. No city in the world is a city full of "10's" waiting to spread their legs for a few pesos. If you're looking for 10's Jamesbond69... there are plenty here in the USA in the escort scene. Just expect to pay upwards of $300 or $400 per HOUR.
No matter what you read on these boards. Go into your vacation with a reasonable expectation. Don't expect to walk into all the clubs finding "9's and 10's" that will sleep with you for pocket change. It just ain't happening.....JHMO.
Good luck all.
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ezy,
could you please post some detail on the places in floresta barrio, like names/streets/costs/times? thx!
octatron,
i was at pacha in nov-01. it's your typical non-hobby night spot. a large disco, filled with dinner tables from about 10p-midnight, and then the tables are removed by 1a and it's an open disco. vip area behind ropes in a balcony, otherwise it's one large rectangular room (vs. a multi-room type environment like rivera este, which i like more).
i didn't recognize any girls there looking for money to go home. i did hit on several, and was rejected vs. being asked for money (like at say shampoo in sep-02). i didn't think the quality of girls was that high for my lofty expectations, but it very well might have been an off night, as my local friends did say pacha is among the hottest spots happening now.
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Leo,
Sorry, I don't recall the street addresses or names of the places we visited in Floresta.....We went with a taxi driver/boliche guide named CarlosDalbosco...phone in BA: 4652-5758 or cell 15-4470-3963. He charged $USD5 per hour for one guy, slightly more for the three of us (I think it was USD 1-2per hour more each).....He took us to places that were well off the usual gringo chica club path....Very friendly and knowledgeable.
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Leo:
If you see my postings of July 2002 (about pages 24-27 of this thread), you will read about some of my experiences in Flores (I think that ezy went to Flores, since Floresta used to lack bars and saunas).
Most of them are around Rivadavia Av. and San Pedrito Av.:
- ARTIGAS/TOP SECRET: Artigas St and Juan B Justo Av. (At Artigas, 30 yards from the corner).
- Corner of Artigas St and Juan B Justo Av: A bar similar to those of Suipacha St
- SCORPIONS: Juan B Justo Av and 2-3 blocks south of Nazca Av. (neon lights, can't miss it). It was closed on July.
- MARAHA: Juan B Justo Av and 2 blocks south of Artigas St (similar neon lights as Scorpions). Also closed in July.
- LA FUENTE (La Fuente St. and Rivadavia Av.) Blue neon lights. Used to be one of my favorites.
- ENVIDIA (Rivadavia Av. and the 1st parallel street to Nazca Av.): Probably the place that ezy went.
- DOLYS/LA NUIT Directorio Av. and San Pedrito Av. See my previous experience
- LIZA: Directorio Av. and San Pedrito Av, in the opposite walkway of La Nuit.
- MONACO: Juan Bautista Alberdi Av. and San Pedrito Av. Huge neon lights.
Some remarks:
1) Most of these places are hit or miss. Yo may find high quality one day and poor quality the next.
2) The only English you will hear there comes from the jukebox. These places cater for locals, so speaking Spanish is somewhat necessary.
3) 3 years ago, I could avoid being robbed myself and my car when cruising for SW in the parallel streets of Rivadavia Av. (I was really lucky) Be careful.
4) Renting a cab as ezy did is a very smart choice. However, you may take a "remise" (livery) or a taxi and they shouldn't charge more than $10 for a trip from Downtown to Flores.
5) These places are prone to offer quick services (30 min - 1 hour)rather than toda la noche sessions.
By the way, if you dare to hit the off-the-beaten-track, you may want to go to:
- YAMILA (Av Pavon 1800 or 2000, Avellaneda). The neighborhood is made of low-middle class people, so it may be a little scary and not always safe, but I heard that Yamila was reopening on September. It used to host 30-50 girls from Argentina, Paraguay, Brazil, Dominican Rep and others (Bolivia). It used to be really cheap: Only $10 for 30 minutes with a stunner!
Hope this helps,
Andres
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andreseg is the man. He knows BA...and he is right on several counts...
1)It was Flores no Floresta.
2)Most of the girls specialized in 30 minute sessions in a crib next to the club.
3)English is not spoken for the most part, although the med student I took to the crib next door spoke excellent English. But this is an area that caters to locals, not gringos....
4) Carlos owns a remis, not a taxi. His $5USdollars per hour service includes driving you to various locations, going in with you and drinking cokes while you down Cuba libres or cervezas, waiting while you go off to a cubicle to bang your favorita of the moment, and driving you home....Much more than a taxi ride...
I can't comment on the hit or miss nature of the clubs other than to say how amazed I was to find the best looking girls I saw on my trip (with the exception of my favorita,of course)...in a barrio far from the boliches that cater to gringos and gringo-dollars....
Some of the girls we saw were 9s...with a lot of 8s.....mostly younger than their Recoleta/downtown counterparts and much less "experienced" looking...
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Boys--
In this vein, I would only bring to everyone's attention once again the nearby city of La Plata.
Jackson went on an excursion partially based on my tout. If you read his report, he seems to conclude that it is worth further investigation. (He did find a place and scored a decent girl).
I can assure you that when I was in La Plata, I was extremely pleased by the club that I visited.
Tried to dig up the name from my contact down there and he reiterated "Estrellas" which Jackson couldn't find (it probably closed, many places have in the meltdown).
Anyway-my point is--many of you all are heading down there in November and December...
If you have a free day/evening, I strongly suggest hiring a limo to drive you (45 minutes) to La Plata. (no more than $20 US Dollars).
Get a hotel in the center of the city and then snoop around. Grease some palms. Unearth the chica bars.
Your diligence will be rewarded 10 fold.
Why?
La Plata is a University city and is chocked full of 18-21 year old hotties. A small percentage suplement their incomes by working a few nights a week in the clubs.
These girls are legitimate students and very different than the girls of BA and Mar Del Plata.
If you have time check out La Plata.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ezy
[i]Bond, James Bond: I love BA. Yes, it is changing. No, not all changes are for the better.
I'm on a plane for BA every chance I get.....including later this month and again next month..... [/i][/QUOTE]
Hello Ezy,
I wonder if your are gonna be in BA between the 26th of October and the 02nd of November .... sonce I'll be there during that time, it would be great to hook up for some mongering ... I'll be coming from Europe and it will be my first time in BA even if, after reading the board for 9 months now, I feel almost familiar with the great city .... Anyubody else in BA during that time, please feel free to contact me through the board or @ rob_roy5@hotmail.com
I'll be staying in Design Suites.
Cheers, Ro
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Rob_Roy. Yes, I will be in Buenos Aires during part of your stay. I arrive on the 21st and leave on the 28th. I sent you an email with contact information. I enjoy helping to "initiate" newbies to Buenos Aires.....especially guys who already recognize it as a "great" city....
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Will be in BA the second week of November....will anybody be there that might want to go to some Recoleta clubs one night? I plan on checking out some of the Clarin classified ads that advertise "Colegiales" or "Universitaria" or "Lolita" as I speak very good Spanish and communicating on the phone or in person isn't a problem for me. Also plan on checking out Playwoman, Ness, Sadoma, Blacks, Solid Gold, etc, etc. This will be my fourth time in BA and I can't wait, I'm foaming at the mouth. Anybody want to get together? DownBA
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DownBA
I will be at Etoile from Nov. 9 -17. We might get together sometime. Where are you staying?
Bandy
