Thanks, as always for the info Andres. If we ever meet, the drinks are on me (provided we arent in Blacks)! :-)
MH.
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Thanks, as always for the info Andres. If we ever meet, the drinks are on me (provided we arent in Blacks)! :-)
MH.
El Ricardo,
The prices I got at my two visits to Madahos were 200 pesos for 1 hour (she half-heartedly said 1.5 hours when I didn't bite at that price) + 50 peso drink (this was on a Sunday at 3 a.m.), and the chica I took out on Friday was 250 for a full 1.5 hours + 50 peso drink. Negotiations started at 300 pesos each time, but I get the sense that 200-250 is the going rate for short time, with the former being the late night/no other prospects going rate. This is for the hotter girls, though, so YMMV if you talk to the girls there that aren't getting any love from the fellas.
To put it in perspective, I returned to Black last Wednesday (it was much better than Sunday...loads and loads of beautiful women of every color and build), and the negotiations for a pretty but not model quality chica began at $200 dollars and she finally accepted 350 pesos (plus a 80 dollar chica drink) for an hour and a half. She told me not to tell anyone, especially other girls at Black if I returned, that she took this little, so here you are guys :) You're going to find a better average quality looker at Black's, but for the money to hotness ratio, Madahos, I think, is where it's at.
Regards,
GC
Late Night Out in Recoleta
I had a great night. My amigovia came over earlier and we hung out and had a great time as usual. I met her in one of the clubs when I first moved here and she has been coming over since. I try to be very honest with her and tell her I have no plans on getting serious because she is making rumblings about that lately. Anyway, we went out to dinner so I was all dressed up so I decided to go to Madahos since she had to go to work. All the clubs really suck on Saturdays. I hung out and talked to my amigo, Bobby and he mentioned that a few guys asked for him and then asked me if I'm "Saint". Ha, ha. Anyway, he and Gabriel will take good care of you. I assume they will keep letting you waive the cover by asking for them as long as too many pikers aren't just doing it to avoid the cover then leave quickly.
There weren't too many hot girls but I did manage to get 2 phone numbers there of some pretty girls. One I asked out for lunch tomorrow and she surprised me when she said yes. So, hopefully that goes well. I told her it's not a money thing. Just two people going out to have lunch and getting to know each other. Don't be afraid to ask these girls to do things. Many might shoot you down but you lose nothing by asking.
Then I went to Black. I haven't been here in a long time. The quality wasn't that good as usual for a Saturday but I still decided to hang out. I just got home and it's 4 AM. I hung out there for about 2.5 hours. I talked to several girls that I already know. There still were a few stunners tonight. I've been coming here since my first trip a few years ago and it's a little depressing seeing some of the same girls working here still. Many have really aged alot. The routine of drinking all the time and being around all that smoke is not good for them. There is one Brazilian girl named Celia that I pulled out my very first trip. She was really pretty with a good body. I saw her in there tonight and almost fell out of my chair. She has gained about 15 lbs. and her face looks really aged.
The depressing part was she told me that first trip she was only working 5 more months then quitting. That was over 2.5 years ago. Oh well, so much for that plan. There were some blonde stunners there tonight. If you like blondes with big fake tits you might like Paola. She is a Portena that always has a smile on her face. Her tits are just too big and fake for me but I was still tempted to pull her out. I also saw this Paraguayan girl my good friend, T.B.D. pulled out our first trip. She also still works there and she has put on a lot of weight and looks much older. She used to be so gorgeous.
There is this blonde pair that is always with one another. Great bodies and seemingly pretty. One of them is pretty but the other up close has a pretty used looking face. They are from Brazil as wel and are sistersl. I tried negotiating with them and at first they asked for $200 US. I just laughed and told them I'm not a tourist. She started negotiating saying the minimum is $150 US. I just told her I was going to go let her talk to one of the tourists. She started to backpeddle since it was so late but I just walked away and talked to her cousin who is also a blonde. Her name is Sabrina and is pretty. She was a little more flexible but then I just saw that it was already 4 AM and I was tired and already had sex tonight.
I did manage to get two phone numbers from 2 girls in Black so not a bad night. 4 phone numbers which I might use some time. I talked to two tourists from South Beach tonight that were in Black and these two were really picky like me. They didn't see much they liked. They did talk to 2 girls but they were put off with the price. They are also jaded like me. They commented they like younger girls so I told them they would love Brazil.
The cool thing is most of the girls in Madahos know I'm not a tourist so they know that (a) I won't pay inflated prices and (b) that I'm going to be around a while, which is why I think the girl agreed to meet me for the date tomorrow. Anyway, I love living here. I'll like it a lot more though...once I start making money here.
El Ricardo and General Custer,
The other night leaving Madahos very late, there was a pretty blonde girl outside waiting for a taxi. I had my own girl with me, but my partner was pretty drunk and he did not have a girl with him. So I offered her a ride with us to the hotel to see if she and my partner would hook up for the night.
I started with 200 pesos, she would not budge below 300. This was at about 0400, and she was going home without a dime. Some of the girls drive a hard bargain, and will not budge, and others are like you experienced, i.e, they will go lower, but do not want other girls to know.
Enjoy the life,
Moondog
430 pesos for a "not model quality chica." Interesting. Anyway I just came from Nuevo Estilo and I know I said I wasn't going to fuck there any more but I did anyway and there was no cover and 5 peso beers and I took Melina, who is a 7.5 if you ignore the tattos which I can. I did not even buy her a drink and it was 173 pesos including the hotel. That is still too much but GOD she is an animal and I really like her body. Killer body. Better than I expected even though I'd seen it all on stage. OK maybe a borderline 8. CBJ but God can she suck.
Anyway in all fairness since I live here I can put them on pre-heat and I never go with a chica the first time I meet her. You can't really afford that luxury when you are visiting. Melina and I have been wanting to fuck each other for a couple of months now and that makes a big difference.
So really all you overpayers aren't really competing with me since I live here and speak the language fairly well. I have plenty of great 100 peso alternatives so just keep on wasting your money.
Just remember, though, that it isn't really necessary.
Dickhead,
Sometimes I really think you overthink the financial aspect of the hobby too much. Sometimes it's not just about how much you spend. You aren't really "overspending" if you are getting what you want. I agree that in principle it's not good to overpay for things but you keep forgetting that many guys don't find what they are looking for in the other clubs.
I've been in many of the various clubs in Buenos Aires several times (including some of the ones in Flores). I think you mentioned that you don't want to hang out in the Recoleta clubs. I don't blame you. My point is that many guys that I know and talk to simply don't find what they are looking for in the other clubs so they aren't an "overpayer" just because you are spending less for sex then they are.
Everything is relative in life and the hobby. The 173 pesos you spent tonight.. the guy that only picks up street walkers could call you an "overspender" and foolish to spend that much money. You paid the price of admission and you got what you wanted. You sound satisfied, so that is what matters. Someone could say, "you spent 173 pesos for a 7.5 and didn't even get a BBBJ????" Life isn't always about dollars and cents and either is the hobby.
It's all about having fun in the end. I always try to be open minded with all types of hobbyers. I don't criticize the guys that are picking up 50 year old women on the street and paying 20 pesos. I would never do it, but I don't try to judge them or say they are simply wrong to do it. If that is what they like than I think it's great for them. It's all about having fun. I still remember a guy at a WSG Mansion dinner that was telling us how he picked up this 50 something woman off the street and only paid something like 25 pesos or so. Then went on to tell me how crazy some guys are to pay 200+ pesos to leave with a girl from Madahos or Black. Many guys judge everyone else based on their own economies of scale instead of trying to understand the grand scheme of things. That is simply being ignorant.
When you say things like "it isn't really necessary" I think you are thinking subjectively but not objectively. For many guys, it IS necessary to pay more to get what they want. It's like saying a guy that buys a BMW is overpaying and "it isn't really necessary". It IS necessary if he wants to drive a luxury car, likes the model, and doesn't want to drive something he doesn't like. Or a better example might be tonight. The hot girl in Black that I asked for a quote and she wanted $200 US. She wouldn't leave for less than that and that was her final price. She claimed never to go below it and I tend to believe her. (By the way, she did find a guy that would pay it and she winked at me as she was leaving with him..I gave her a thumbs up). For the guy that definitely wants HER, it IS really necessary if he wants to have sex with her. Personally, to me I wouldn't do it but I don't think the guy that IS paying her is wasting his money. If that is what he wants and he has the money to buy it. Who are we to say "it's not necessary" when it clearly is necessary.
Just my 2 cents. Again, we can agree to disagree. Good luck.
Saint,
I think what dick meant by "it isn't really necessary" was that one can get the same quality for less. If you wanna get the BMW and you can pay half the price why pay more. Just because you can afford it? The thing is that you ruin the market for the rest of us who can't afford it.
[blue]Hi Roger,
Actually, it's been my observation that guys who knowingly pay more do so because they suffer from fear of rejection.
Jackson[/blue]
Bait and Switch warning
Called up Mariel of Gemidos - she´s brown hair with blond streaks in the pictures. I called, and she seemed to understood some english. She said that she´ll be over in 30 minutes.
When she arrived 90 minutes later, it was obvious that she was neither the girl on the phone or in the pictures. She was much more latina appearing, with american indian features one might see at, say, a TJ club. She spoke absolutely no english. She presented herself very poorly with no class, acting somewhat bewildered and lost, like an overgrown 12 year old kid. She was about 5 in looks and had stubbly hair on her legs which put me off even more. She wanted 150p for 1 hour and 100p for 30 min before starting the session.
Although she wasn´t that attractive, I figured, ¨what the hell, what about 33 dollars for a 30 minute blow job? I´ll just keep my eyes closed!¨ She bailed herself out of that even as she didn´t want to do anything before getting paid first, saying she ¨siempre paga antes.¨ Since I RTFF (thanks to all the senior members who laid down the law) I told her that ¨YO siempre pagan despues.¨ She wouldn´t budge. I got pretty annoyed with her attitude and after a couple minutes of more aggravation, offered her 10p for taxi.
She then wanted to borrow my phone to talk to someone on the phone. After couple minutes begged me to talk to the girl (the mamasan?) myself - it turned out to be the girl that I talked to earlier on the phone to make the appointment. She was as inflexible as the chica was. So I was only too happy to send her away with 10p.
The point I am trying to make is that if you can get product X for say 150 pesos it is not necessary to pay 350 pesos for product X. It may be necessary to pay 350 pesos for product Y. I'm just not convinced, based on 32 years of mongering experience on 5 continents, that those who are paying say 350 pesos are getting product Y. I think they are still getting product X, in most cases.
Value = Quality / Price
Agree with sentence 1.
Agree with sentence 2.
However, lets look at the formula:
Value = Quality/Price
Price is Objective (you have already been told what this is)
Quality is Subjective
Therefore, Value is Subjective.
Quality can be only be fully assessed after consumption, so it is an ex post assessment not an ex ante assessment. However, a decision needs to be made up front (or ex ante) on what the quality might be and this is where experience comes into play.
Needless to say, a wrong (over) estimate of quality at the higher price end can lead to a greater sense of loss than at the lower end. An underestimate of quality at the lower end has less of an effect as the downside here is much less.
(an excerpt from the WSG University research paper on this subject)
Actually a lot of times the price I pay depends on my perception of quality, by which I mean if price is not negotiated in advance, I pay 'em what I think they are worth and if they don't like it they don't have to fuck me again. I seldom have an issue with this approach. In fact the session I had a few nights ago, not only was price never discussed but I had no idea of what her expectations were.
Saint, I'm sorry but you sound like a travel agent trying to push premium priced trips. And Moondog is still trying to support higher prices with that "example" about Madahos.
I thought I was through with this, and didn't respond when you gave this same argument in response to my last posts. But here you bring it out again.
Why is it so hard to understand the issue is not the relative QUALITY of a Black 10 versus a Nuevo Estilo 7, but the difference in PRICE between a Black 10 and a London , German, or Las Vegas 10. Or the difference in PRICE between a Black 8 and an NEB 8. About a year ago the quoting price at Black was about $ar300, not $ar600. That's 100% inflation. My point has always been that there is a tendency for tourists to raise the local prices to a world price that has nothing to do with value. That is what we need to fight against.
As the tourists leave Black and Madahos for other places to avoid the prices they caused, they are driving up the prices there, proportionately, also. Which is why I also say lets try to keep them at Black and Madahos, and let THEM try to hold the line there.
If you go look at your budget discussion, they are paying that Black woman about the equivalent of $US600-800 in purchasing power. She is making a handsome WEEKLY salary with each client of 1-2 hours. That is ridiculous in BA.
On bargaining, the women are learning from the tourists how much money they are willing to spend. And they also are learning that if they start at $US200, the man will not counter with $ar200, he will counter with $US150. And, they are learning the "don't tell", trick to make you feel you're getting a bargain. Thus the women are simply playing the tourists for what they have. We need to try harder to educate against this tendency, not promote it. And with your "thumbs up", you are promoting it with the woman, as well as here.
I wouldn't care about this, but like other forms of pollution, it ultimately affects us all.
Prices seem to be going up in AR
When I first started looking for a place to move to AR was about 30-40 bucks for pussy and now it seems it is over 100 for a short time. I can get that in the US.
Where would you say the cheapest pussy is? Columbia? Brazil?
Maybe you guys just like to buy meaningless sex, but I like to pay the girls at LEAST $300 USD, then they REALLY love me!
Lexton. Like I said. We can agree to disagree. I think the biggest difference might lie in the fact that you and Dickhead and maybe others like you guys look at sex only as the act of sex. (Getting laid, having an orgasm). Where in guys like me look at the whole package. The girl I'm actually with, the attraction I have for that girl, her beauty, her performance, etc.
I'm not advocating paying more. You're totally missing the point. My point is that X does NOT equal Y and you and Dickhead and other guys like you keep trying to say that X=Y.
I never push anything on anyone and you can use your example but at the same time I'd say that you sound like a used car salesman on a small lot that is trying to pitch the idea that a 1987 Pinto performs and looks just as good as a 2004 Mercedes. Even though the customer is repeatedly telling you they are aren't opposed to paying more to get what they actually want. They are telling you that they don't like any of the cars on your small little lot but you keep trying to tell them that it's a waste of money paying money for a more expensive model.
I say that if you guys don't want to go to Madahos and Black you simply don't go. I guess the biggest problem I still see is that you are using your own tastes and amount you want to spend on the rest of the WSG world. Yes, you will pay more in the higher end clubs. It has always been like that and it probably always will. I'm not saying you can't find some hot girls in the other clubs. I've pulled out lots of girls out of the other clubs too. When a girl gives you a price, you can either accept it or move on. Market forces and supply and demand will work itself out.
Talk to guys that know Buenos Aires. Guys like Andres that have been in probably more clubs than most guys. Ask him where the most beautiful girls are. Ask him if you totally take price out of the equation, which girls he is most attracted to. Ask him which girls he would rather have sex with. I seriously doubt he will be telling you the clubs in Flores like Dollys. In fact, I asked him that very same question before and he told me the girls in Madahos are his favorite type. That is the point I'm making...nothing more...nothing less.
I wouldn't care about this either but several of you keep trying to say that guys that spend more are either being stupid or it's not necessary. When you guys drop the argument that X=Y than I will too. I'm not saying all the girls in the higher end clubs are hotter. Several in those clubs are quite bad. Still, the stunners that ARE left over I've never seen that calibre in other clubs. Keep in mind that I live here now and it does me [b]NO[/b] good to try to push people into Madahos and Black. I'll still continue to tell it like it is though. Good luck.
P.S. I just looked at some photos on the BA WSG section. I could make the argument that many of those pictures make me wonder who in their right mind would pay money for those girls. (Let's be honest...many are older, out of shape, unattractive, full of stretch marks and tattos, etc. that many of us wouldn't sleep with if you paid us). I don't say those guys are wasting their money though. The thing that matters is if those guys had a good time. All of this money talk is relative. Like I said..... X does [b]NOT[/b] =Y.
"Dickhead and maybe others like you guys look at sex only as the act of sex. (Getting laid, having an orgasm)."
That is total bullshit and everyone who knows me knows this is not true. You don't [b]know[/b] any "facts" about me. We've never even mongered together. (For the record, Saint and I have met exactly one time, at a dinner where he insisted on tipping 30% of the bill, although he says he does not advocate paying more than necessary).
"Dickhead and other guys like you keep trying to say that X=Y."
That's not what I fucking said.
More from a past experience in BA
1)Mary from Platynum $70/100. Beautiful smile, big natural hooters and two shots on goal. Viamonte 485. Wasn´t allowed to shower before or after. Must be something wrong with the shower.
No DFK and no CBJ = no repeat, could benefit from a slimmer belly. She´s from Misiones and has a three year old Nino.
In appreciation of comments "Who´s your daddy, baby": (1707 Santa Fe)
During round 1, we got into a standing Perrito, she´s on all fours on the bed and I´m standing at the corner of the bed pounding away. I startied slapping her a** and started in with "Who´s your Daddy baby?" She sorta grunted.
2) Called Annabella from Gemidos. Promised Completa, Tantrica, Relax Total. P $150/hr. CBJ and no DFK = No repeat
When I got to the place On Acachnco, near Juncal (Barrio Norte), it wasn´t Annabella that intorduced herself (bait and switch), heck she seemed cute enough anyway, so WTF and plowed ahead. The room had a straight massage table and a love seat. Clara Andrea started in with an oil massage, making sure the soldier and two drums got lenty of attention. My hands wandered freely.
After the massage Clara got on all fours on the love seat and guided my missile in. I started pounding away and started up with the ¨Who´s your Daddy/ Pappi?" routine while slapping her ass. She was responsive and acted out an orgasm. We kept on for a while and in the interest of keeping this going for a while I fought the urge to shoot. Well I should have shot, cause we ended up finishing manually.
Clara Andrea had a cute enough face, but her chest wasn´t as big as I like and her hips were big than the uniform she wore seemed to hint at.
She´ll do outcalls and is open on Sundays. A second shot on goal is an additional P$75. NO a good Dickead value.
LAGNAF
LAGNAF
"I started slapping her a** and started in with "Who´s your Daddy baby?" - She sorta grunted"
". . . started up with the ¨Who´s your Daddy/ Pappi?" routine while slapping her ass. She was responsive and acted out an orgasm"
LotsaFun,
Based on your experiences, may I suggest you change your routine?
Just a thought . . . Peace, -P
" tipping 30% of the bill "
I was at that dinner, and NO the tip was not 30% but 55% do to the constant attention to detail by our wonderful waiter Jose at 1880. For the record Dickhead got sick from that meal, seafood poisoning.
Regards,
Starfe
p.s. "You can't really afford that luxury when you are visiting"
now you are starting to get it Dickhead. Time is of the essence.
Lexton ,
You live in the twilight zone. Stop dictating how and when we Tourists should spend our money. You make pointless points. Using you're negotiating tactics ( or lack of ) the only thing I will get a chance to fuck would be something I found crawling under a bridge.
Starfe
Having returned to rainy London from sunny BA, I'm now feeling quite depressed at having to leave, and planning my next trip again!
I have to say thanks to all you guys on the BA forum, I know I didn't get a chance to meet up with any of you but the information on this forum has made my holiday an absolute stormer and I will definitely be back!
I stayed in the Loisuites in Recoleta and it was great, (and very discreet) although I think next time I may try arranging an apartment for a week or two.
And I've sampled the pleasures of Cattos, Black, Madahos, Hook, L'affaire and many more....and become a total convert to Latinas. The GFE is mindblowing!
But Argentina has so much to offer. I managed to see the falls, the Moreno Glacier, and Bariloche too, and even managed to get some mongering in in Bariloche thanks to this forum!
I'm now trying to find a way to convince my employer to open a branch in BA :-)
Anyway, I'll return to my usual spot on the London boards, until next time! Thanks again..
I find this price discussion interesting only in so far as I am able to make out that better quality (my definition) is available at a higher price. If it does not, then the whole picture gets a little murky. If Blacks and Madahos are at one end of the spectrum and the other boliches are at the other, it will make my life a lot easier as I will know where to go shopping. I see where Lexton is going with this argument but I can't see this working as prices will equalise sooner or later, a point I was trying to make earlier. I don't see how you can "fight against this" as you are powerless against these market forces. How could you organise such an arrangement ?
Where does this leave me ? My understanding is that there is general acceptance that the chicas in Black/Madahos are better looking and are available at a higher price.
Saint/Dickhead - I think you guys are more in agreement than you realise. Both of you say that X is not = Y. Dickhead merely questions that if Y is more expensive than X, is that difference in experience really borne out in the difference in price ? From his perspective, the answer appears to be "Probably No". Saint may have a different answer. Vive la difference. This is how I understand it (IMHO).
Enjoy BsAs in your different ways. I soon hope to enjoy it in my own way. As always, I appreciate your opinions.
Cheers.
Be careful with credit cards.
I used my credit card twice in the same night last week, once at Newport, and once at Madahos. The charges came in for those two and were accurate. However, there was also a charge for $195(dollars) for a company in London, England. All three charges came in on the same day. I never bought anything, and so the only thing I can think of is that one of the clubs added another charge. I have cancelled my card, and the charges are under investigation.
Normally I do not use credit cards just for this reason, but I did this night. This is just a warning to all to be careful out there.
I will let you know if anything is obtained about either of the clubs.
Moondog
JackDaniels,
Maybe you are right. Also, maybe I didn't post my point "you guys look at sex only as the act of sex. (Getting laid, having an orgasm). " the best way. No offense was meant to anyone. Sometimes it's hard to express things in these posts. I only meant that the way I'm reading some posts it seems like the posters are trying to say that a session is just a session. Maybe it was a mistake reading on my part. When I read, " I think they are still getting product X, in most cases", I took it to mean that he still thinks X=Y. Maybe he didn't.
Anyway, there is a little something for everyone in Buenos Aires and ultimately THAT is what matters. I do appreciate reading everyone's opinions though. I still think as long as we aren't intentionally offending anyone with our posts. Again, no offense was meant in my post.
Also, I truly believe there is a difference between being generous and wasting money. If you get good service in a restaurant and you want to leave more than 10% that doesn't mean you are wasting money. If you are helping out someone that is working hard for a living or less fortunate than you and you think that is wasting money then that would also defeat the whole purpose of things like charities...
I talked with Chad, the doorman who used to be at Hippopotamus, and now is the doorman right next door. he said that Hippo was supposed to open in about a month in the same venue as it was before.
Moondog
55% tip? No wonder Argentina economy is better now.
By the way, many countries have no tipping tradition until American started to visit.
In this discussion about sex and price I keep seeing some mongers writers talking about how attractive the chica is. In the same posting they exclude from the conversation how good the sex is.
It seems that for some, how attractive a chica is is the only thing that is important. For me, how good was the sex is first and how attractive the chica was is second (assuming the chicas are at least a 6.5).
What's more important guys, good sex with a reasonably attractive chica or bad or lackluster sex with a super model. I'll take the former over the later any day.
Stowe
[blue]Attitude is 90% of the score.
Jackson[/blue]
CaptainNemo,
To be honest I have no idea what the tip was that night. The food was great the atmosphere was wonderful and I got my first chance to meet a real Dickhead. How could you possibly put a price on that ? I think our dinner with Andre the following night at a chinese restaurant was the big tip night. Back to back great dining experiences. The highlight of the evening was the lesbian club Andre took us to after. I never said thank you to Andre for trying to buy me the bartender. He offered her 300 U.S. for an hour for me. No luck. I would have paid $500 for the chance. I still would today.
Starfe
Starfe,
I wholeheartedly agree with you. Good food, good friends, good atmosphere, good service. The last thing I think about is what % I'm going to tip. Also, don't think that we didn't notice you sneaking back to the table at Todos Contentos and leaving a bigger tip. Ha, ha. T.B.D. and I caught it. (I guess you think we are cheap leaving a 20% tip?? - ha, ha).
That bartender was beautiful at Nuevo Estilo. Speaking of non-pros, I asked Bobby at Madahos if the dancers are available and he said there are good odds that I could get most of them to go out for a session, albeit for a higher price. That is interesting to note for some of you..
CaptainNemo, I think that Americans are some of the most generous travelers in the world. I've traveled all around and I think there is a reason that even though foreigners might not have a good opinion of America, they still love Americans. Just because the rest of the world might not like tipping for good service and doesn't like tipping doesn't mean that it is right. Most of the true friends that I have believe the same thing as I do. That in the hobby and life in general... what goes around comes around. All of them are happy and it's good karma. Good luck all.
I guess I won't be winning the value mongering prize any time soon! I actually hesitated to post what I paid for the girl in Black because I knew comments would be forthcoming, but since no one other than Saint has been providing pricing information for mongers so inclined to visit there, I thought I'd go ahead and contribute.
No hard feelings or offense taken, Dickhead. We all know where you stand on things and I, for one, enjoy reading your posts. But until you can show me that you sessioned with the same woman I did for less money, you have no basis for calling me an overspender. You got pissed that others were making assumptions about you, but at the same time, you can't really say that you know me, either. There are only two valid reasons I can think of for mongers here to be calling each other out on pricing:
1) somone not knowing better (i.e. the current going rates at various boliches)
2) sessioning with the same woman (i.e. off an internet site) for a much lower price
Funny that we show each other an appropriate amount of respect with regard to the chica pictures posted here (with chastisement of members that express disapproval at the looks of some of the women bedded by fellow WSGers), but as soon as someone's personal threshold for maximum price payable for sex is crossed, we're quick to hear about it. Do you honestly think some of us are just looking to throw money away? I'm not rich. Why would I spend that kind of cash on one woman if I could, say, session 4 times at Santa Fe for less? It's because of the one thing that Saint has been referring to but hasn't named:
Aesthetic. Our idea of beauty. I really do not know you, Dickhead, but I would venture you are at least past your 30's, as are the others who are insulted by some of us paying more than 200 pesos for a woman. I think there's a generational gap between the aesthetic of us younger, pickier mongers and those more experienced than us. I can think of no other explanation for the notion expressed by some that the girls in Black or Madahos are not hotter than those in the other clubs. For all the younger guys I've been in contact with, this is truly a no-brainer. The young women that fit this aesthetic have a price which some of you are unwilling to pay. That's your choice, just don't belittle mine.
You are, in fact, right that you aren't competing with us. But realize that we're shopping for entirely different things if you think an equation can settle this.
GC
I can't wait to get back to B.A.
I heard about a new place where you can eat dinner, have a few beers, and get laid all night, all for only 20 pesos! I haven't been there yet, but my sister said it was GREAT!
Well, [i]ceteris paribus[/i] (that means "all else equal" for those who slept through that class). it seems to me that a younger monger should be paying [b]less[/b] for any given chica and not more. Ditto very handsome mongers. I am neither young nor handsome but I am a lot of fun. I am not one of those saying the chicas in Black and Madaho's are or are not any hotter since I don't go there. Perhaps a source of confusion is the mean or average looks in any given boliche vs. the presence or absence of hot chicas. Let's say the average in Madaho's is 8.5 and 25% are >9.0. Let's further say the average in Boliche X is 6.0 and only 5% are >9.0. I can still go to Boliche X since I only need one chica.
But to give you an example, I know a chica who works in both Black and Catto's. She is an 8 and not a 10, but she fucked a fairly frequent poster from Black for 300 pesos and was telling me she never leaves from Black for less than 250 pesos. But, I pay her 125 and it's not just me, either. Another guy who was down here just fucked her from Catto's for 150.
So, yes, the [b]exact same chica[/b], and less ([b]way[/b] less, in fact) at someplace other than Black or Madaho's. Throw in the wild disparity in the price of chica drinks and the savings are even more.
Another example would be Jamadi, the Cuban chick who works in Madaho's and also at Catto's. I got her to agree to 200 in Catto's (would I pay 200? NO! Another monger was buying; it was my birthday or something) but then I told her to fuck off because she wanted the money up front. The guys I know who've taken her from Madaho's have paid 250 or 300, Exact same chica. And again, in all fairness she is certainly not a 10, but then on my scale a 10 is only theoretical. 9,999999999999999999 is as high as I go and to be honest I have never seen anything above a 9.12452918 in Buenos Aires, not even in Madaho's (never been in Black; maybe it is littered with 9.9995s but I will never find out).
And (hopefully) the last thing I will say right now is that perhaps part of this "generation gap" to which GC refers is that the more experience I have, the less looks matter and the more attitude and perfomance do.
Hey, DH, stop using Latin! I'm in Bali and having to use Google to figure out what the hell you're talking about on their snot slow internet service! ($3 an hour, only a dialup line, shared among 4 computers. That sucks!)
How many space all of you lose on discussion about money? Every one have a point of view. Is two years I ask for models in this forum and no one give my a answer and now you start a big discussion about money, starts a big discossuino about no one give me a direction for what I ask.
I don't tip girls, is realy hard I tip in restaurant. I am italian probably is for this, we are not use to tip. You never understand why the price rise up in that club? This two club are all the time in this forum and you know how many people read this forum?
Most of this people are english speaking, in the anglosaxon culture is realy normal to tip an probably this is one of the reason the price rise up.
Step 2:
I work in Black: nice legs, nice ass, breast champagne cup, I rate me 7/8 good attitude in bed. Black is in front of Alvear, the most expensive hotel in BA. I ask normaly 200 peso. Night after night, some give me 200, 300, 250, 400, 500, 420, some time I found 1000, 1500 peso and all the time they tip me. Ok, I start to ask 300 peso and they tip me all the time to. I start to ask 400 peso and the game go on.
All of you undestand the problem. If you like some girls repeat and and you found good chemistry go on with this girl, because if the girls do something more is probably the way she act or she found something in you and why not repeat.
And remember in west country the night club like Blacks or Madahos charge betwen 250/500 euro (800/1600 peso), the people in Alvear are use to spend 600 to 2000 euro for a girls.
In Milano you can have beatuful models the day after are on fashion shows and cost you 500/600 euro if you bring out; dinner, drugs, table in the disco with some bottles of Veuve e Clicoq, but you must know the right people. Or put some 1000/2000 euro and no problem and sure some come true.
I have frends they spend 500/800 euro in disco for table and they have a lot of girls around the table and they have screw some of this.
I hope you understand what I have written. If you have information about high level girls in BA give me a message. Remember this: These girls don't go to Madahos or Black, they go to non-pro disco in most of the time in the exclusive one.
An old Jacksonian (not Andrew) adage:
There is no correlation between the amount of money one pays and the degree of sexual satisfaction obtained.
On another note, the old boliche Snob (or Snot) on Cordoba has risen from the ashes again as the "Pussy Club". With a name like that I suspect sexual services are being offered or maybe not. We need a report from some adventuresome monger (not me).
Stormy
General Custer,
That's a great post. That is exactly the point I was making. Two totally different classes of girls. There might be a rare girl that works in both Black and another lower tier club but it is very few and far between. (Keep in mind that Black and Madahos has very ugly girls too).
I totally agree with your comment about not being rich. Most of us aren't and we don't like throwing money away. It's just that we are after a different product. Perhaps the best paragraph on this whole price argument was the one you made about the pictures posted here. No one calls out guys on how ugly some of these girls are yet they will call out a guy for paying more than a certain amount for a girl. It's all relative fellas.
I've received a few private emails and PMs from other guys that went to Black but didn't want to post because they felt they would get slammed on the price issue. No one should be afraid to post their opinions and experiences. It's how we all get more educated.
As far as the age thing. I agree with Dickhead that younger guys usually can pay less OR I've found more that they will get much more time than someone else. It's simple human nature sometimes. If a girl is attracted more to a guy she might be more inclined to spend more time with him or leave for a lower amount. Of course you have some girls that don't budge on the price but 99% of the time I have gotten her to stay for much longer.
After reading your post, I'm sorry I couldn't hook up with you that one night. If you make it make to BA again, drop me an email or PM and we'll hit the clubs. Best of luck to you.
Outstanding post, General Custer.
I don't live in BsAs, I visit, generally for no more than a week at a time. This being the case, I am able to pay for better looking products and don't have a heart attack when I might blow an extra fifty bucks in order to have some pretty young thing that could easily be on the pages of a swimsuit edition. If I do it every day, over the course of a week I'm only down $350. Which is only a third to a half of what I spent on that plane ticket alone.
If I so chose, I could stay home and get a good blowjob from a homely chick for $50. Why would I fly 5,000 miles to get a good blowjob from a homely chick for 100 pesos?
Horses for courses, of course - some might well prefer this. But I don't, and many others don't, either. Like you, General, I get tired of people claiming others pay too much or are stupid because their preferences don't match those of a few, very opinionated, very prolific posters. Some guys are on the search for the holy grail of a five peso drill - more power to them, I say - but when I shop for clothes I don't go rummaging around Goodwill, so why should shopping for chicas be any different?
I'm glad you are enjoying the lifestyle - because that's why I travel there too.
Uncle Otto
This whole thread about the girls in Blacks and Madahoes makes me recall the old addage about there being nothing written about tastes in flavors and colors. I went to Blacks a few years ago and just couldn't for the life of me feel that there was anything there that warranted the absurd prices the girls were asking. Makes me remember that supposedly the well-loved Sandy from Platynum and Escortsbaires, etc, etc, now works at Blacks and just a few years ago I spent a chunk of time with her but if I calculated how much I spent spent per hour it would have to be the equivalent of $25 pesos per hour with the girl. YMMV. So why would I ever want to spend $300 p per hour for someone like that?
And now this same girl's in Blacks getting $300 pesos per hour or more.
This entire thread about how Blacks and Madahoes have the hottest chicas is so overblown anyway since neither of those two clubs have anything remotely like a super model that you'd find on the cover of the Sport Illustrated bathing suit model such as Yamila Ruiz Diaz from Argentina or the famous Pampita form Argentina.
I agree with Professor Dickhead with all his formulae that you only need one chica and that these hot chicas are available in most of the boliches and privados, etc, on any given day. The first time I went into Nuevo Estilo I went upstairs with a 21 year old in need of a little dental work but aside from that she pushed all the right buttons and had the cutuest, tighest little ass and the most pleasant personality though she didn't remotely belong on the Sports Illustrated cover but that didn't stop me from being in pig heaven the entire time I was with her.
And some of these girls that quote you U$600.00 per hour, who the fuck are they kidding? It's just that they're catering to the top 2 percentile of the wealthiest people in Buenos Aires but they're just not worth it, they just don't fucking have gold-lined pussies or know how to fuck like Tracy Lords. So this whole finger wagging thing that we're doing here with some of the younger posters saying that they wouldn't touch a lot of these girls with someone else's 10 foot pole is just blatant bragging. This is just a case of some of us wanting to brag that they get better looking girls than the rest of us and THAT is just another case of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".
I will try very hard to express my view on tipping without offending anyone. After all, how you spend your money is not my business.
A few years back, I was in one of European country for business. I invited my local colleagues out for dinner at one of best restaurants. When the bill came, I paid with my credit. On the credit card receipt, there is no place to leave a tip as I do in the US. So, I took out a few bills to leave on the table. My colleagues looked at me as I was from another planet. They were amazed and embarrassed by what I did. One of them finally took bills off the table and stuffed them in my pocket. Then he took out a few coins and left them on the table. They quickly dragged me out the place to prevent me to leave more money. This is not a poor country. It is just not a tipping country.
This is an extreme case. In some other situations, others think at least that I am odd to do such thing.
On the other side, I was embarrassed by some of those European who absolutely refuse to leave a tip in American restaurants.
American is the most generous people on the planet. Doing things with great intention. However, actions with great intention do not translate well in other cultures. This is not limited to tipping. Looking at US foreign policy around world, you get the idea. What’s right for American culture is not necessary right for some of other countries. If we can agree on that we have different tastes on women, why can’t we accept the difference in other cultures?
Some love to drink $2 wine, others like $100 wine. Or, drinking $2 wine at $200 a plate restaurants. For the record, I love Madahos and Black. I did pay $200 pesos for the Madahos girl after a quick negotiation.
I used to hate negotiation. Since I took the negotiation training from Chester Karrass(it is in every airline magazine), I love to negotiate. It improves my business negotiation skill greatly. If you cannot take the training, you can read Dr. Karrass’s books.
Captain Nemo,
No offense taken and no offense to you but I think being a cheapo is the same in the USA, England, Africa, South America or anywhere else in the world.
You shouldn't be worried about what your friends think but start getting worried when the waitress that served you tells you that you need to put your money back in your pocket. I doubt the waitress complained that you were leaving a tip. I'm not saying you leave a huge tip every time. Hell, if you receive bad service you don't even have to tip.
I know it's different in many countries including many in Europe where they are paid a salary. Still, leaving a few extra euros, dollars, or pesos won't kill anyone if you get good service. If I was in a restaurant in the USA with a European and they didn't leave a tip, I'd never go out to eat with them again. Just the same as in Buenos Aires. I've been out with Americans to dinner that didn't want to leave a tip and needless to say I'll never go out to dinner with them again. What I've ALWAYS done since I was maybe 18 years old is tell myself if I was working in their position how would I feel if someone didn't appreciate my hard work. I knew from a young age that I could NEVER work in that type of environment so I am especially mindful when I get good service.
Perhaps the most disturbing/painful event since moving here was when I was being nice and accepted a dinner invitation from this guy who kept bragging about the millions he had made. Then he complained about the 6.50 peso taxi fare to Puerto Madero with lines like, "I think the taxi driver is taking a longer route", even though it was his first time to Puerto Madero. All during dinner he talked about all the "deals" he had made and the money he made. (I hate talking about money with strangers. ) Then the check comes and he doesn't really want to leave a tip with lines like "I think it's already included in the bill....yadda yadda yadda". That is just being a cheap bastard and we all know it.
Like I said. A piker in New York is the same as a piker in Europe. JMHO.