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[QUOTE=Stormy]Early in May, 2008, I was mugged in the microcenter. I remain a liberal democrat.[/QUOTE]Stormy,
We are all glad that your injuries were minor. But I am sorry to say that you are looking at this wrong. I mean you had money and this guy apparently had none. I think simply this is just the concept of "wealth distribution" being applied in Argentina.
Sorry, I could not past this up to tweak you.
I also said I was looking more favorably on torture after my experience. That I hear is the first step toward admission to the Republican Party. Right? I'm with you now, bro.
Stormy, unfortunately Republicans are not for torturing ordinary criminals. There is always hope for the future though! The real question you have to ask yourself is "What did I do to cause him to rob me?" If you did take that view I think you would qualify as a true liberal brainless Democrat. I know that you are not 'brainless' like some in our party and simply want a society that offers equal opportunity for everyone who is willing to work for it. Since you have that qualifier built into your makeup I cannot think that you are really a 'real' liberal. Our greatest failing in the Democratic party is our inability to get rid of programs where we have spent billions of dollars of our citizens money for solutions that do not work. It does not mean the problem does not exist and needs to be worked on. At least with Obama it looks like out military adventures are over for the time being. Where we are really screwed is we cannot get out of Iraq anytime soon.
I think the only real reason you wanted to 'torture' him is you misplaced anger at him when really we both know that you are rightfully angry at the cops that would not get off their ass and do anything. It is in organizations that cannot shed dead weight that is a real issue for both Argentina and American society. Like the bastards who created the sub prime mortgage mess on wall street and this includes Barney Frank who "was willing to roll the dice". They should be locked up. The hand writing was plain for all to see that the money was going to speculators and not working people who needed the extra help a sub prime load could provide. It was the speculators that overheated the market and all the other idiots who went out and got 2nd and 3rd mortgage to buy SUV's , big screen TV's and the like. Once again our party failed to see where the program was going wrong and could not forsee the calamity that will cripple us for the next six years. Thus dooming the possibility of anything that can be labeled a sub prime loan. Obama will bear the brunt for the bad economy and I afraid we will waste billions to bail out the big wigs in Wall Street who should be left to rot. The Democratic party will have to bear the weight of these bailouts and it will tear us down during the next election cycle.
[QUOTE=Stormy]I also said I was looking more favorably on torture after my experience. That I hear is the first step toward admission to the Republican Party. Right? I'm with you now, bro.[/QUOTE]
"Obama is an extraordinary rhetorician, and as Aristotle pointed out, rhetoric is one of the foundations of political power. Rhetoric has raised him to the presidency, along with the tremendous unpopularity of his predecessor and a financial crisis that took a tied campaign and gave Obama a lead he carefully nurtured to victory. So, as with all politicians, his victory was a matter of rhetoric and, according to Machiavelli, luck. Obama had both, but now the question is whether he has Machiavelli's virtue in full by possessing the ability to exercise power. This last element is what governing is about, and it is what will determine if his presidency succeeds."
"Embedded in his tremendous victory is a single weakness: Obama won the popular vote by a fairly narrow margin, about 52 percent of the vote. That means that almost as many people voted against him as voted for him."
Doesn't really mean anything, just trying to put a little perspective out there.
[QUOTE=Panos]The richest empire will soon be no more. Do not worship false gods dressed in white or black. The northern clock is tick tocking 11.[/QUOTE]"The richest empire will soon be no more." Help me, are we talking Star Wars like Empire here? If so, who gets to wear the cool white uniforms and can I screw that Princess chick with the cinnamon rolls on her ears?
"Do not worship false gods dressed in white or black" I agree. Everyone knows that you don't wear white after Labor Day and that Green is the new black this fall.
"The northern clock is tick tocking 11" Help me again, since the toilets swirl the other way, do the clocks in your world go clockwise or counter clockwise? I know that doesn't make sense, but since you are the resident philospher on this board I want your opinion.
An ancient English philosopher once said, "Time is on my side, yes it is. Tiiiime is on my side". His name was Micketh Jaggereth.
[QUOTE=Stormy]I also said I was looking more favorably on torture after my experience. That I hear is the first step toward admission to the Republican Party. Right? I'm with you now, bro.[/QUOTE]An Obama presidency will be sufficient torture for most Republicans, thank you.
When Bush won in 2000
Nominee George W. Bush Al Gore.
Party Republican Democratic.
Home state Texas Tennessee.
Running mate Dick Cheney Joe Lieberman.
Electoral vote 271 266
States carried 30 20+DC.
Popular vote 50,456,002 50,999,897
Percentage 47.9% 48.4%
When Bush won in 2004:
Nominee George W. Bush John Kerry.
Party Republican Democratic.
Home state Texas Massachusetts.
Running mate Dick Cheney John Edwards.
Electoral vote 286 251
States carried 31 19+DC.
Popular vote 62,040,610 59,028,444
Percentage 50.7% 48.3%
Republicans and lots of mainstream media called the re-election a mandate - they were swept up in the war atmosphere.
Race 2008
Not even close in the history of presidential races 53 to 46% ++double electoral votes 364 to 163 popular: 65 million to 57 million.
"Embedded in his tremendous victory is a single weakness: Obama won the popular vote by a fairly narrow margin, about 52 percent of the vote. That means that almost as many people voted against him as voted for him."
Sorry bro, this was a route mandate all in one.
[QUOTE=Jackson]An Obama presidency will be sufficient torture for most Republicans, thank you.[/QUOTE]I realize I'm pissing into the wind here but really Jax how do you know? I detested Bush before he was elected Pres. I was allowed to, I endured him as Gov. of The Great State of Texas and watched him, among other things slash the public school budget under a program called, believe it or not, "No child left behind." Ex number one is an educator in The Great State of and I remember her having to buy basic classroom supplies out of pocket because there simple was no money in the budget for chalk.
He also signed the bill that allowed hospitals to remove life support from vegetative patients if they had no means to pay even against the wishes of their families. Kinda had me and all the Texans I know that read newspapers thinking "what the fuck" during the Karen "we should believe in a policy of life" Shivo thing.
When he was elected Pres, I wasn't wild about it but I thought I would give him a shot before passing judgment. (Mostly because I detested Rush for starting the Clinton countdown the day after his inauguration) And I honestly could say that I wasn't really a shrub hater until he started making moves regarding Iraq.
We have a President elect that seems committed to at least trying to stop using wedge issues to push us apart. His rhetoric (and I know words are cheap, I'm a bit concerned regarding his choice for Chief of Staff, but the guy running your office should be a bit of a pit bull) is about uniting red and blue not dividing it. "We are not a collection of red states and blue states but The United States." Why not suspend judgment until you have action to base choice on?
Even Sid is saying things like, "I hope I'm wrong" with his anti Obama stuff, he might not like him but is willing to look.
[QUOTE=Thomaso276]Sorry bro, this was a route mandate all in one.[/QUOTE]Route Mandate? Do you mean it was a rout and a mandate all in one?
Or do you mean it is a road, highway or lane called mandate?
I personally believe it was a rout, but mandate is a stretch.
And thank you for calling me bro. I feel we should all live in peace. Plus I liked the Mod Squad and it sounds really cool like when Linc used to call everyone bro.
[QUOTE=Jackson]Hey Bro,
That's irrelevant. This thread is a debate wherein each of us is expected to present the arguments supporting our positions. We are not expected to present the counter-arguments against our own positions.
Case in point: Show me ONE post where you've critized the Dems for anything.
Yea, that's what I thought.
Thanks,
Jackson[/QUOTE]Hey Jackson,
I guess you missed most of my posts. But let me know if these are examples enough where I criticize or denigrate my own party or individual Dems. If this isn't enough I am SURE I can find more.
[url]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=391812&postcount=1454[/url]
[url]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=391512&postcount=1391[/url]
[url]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=391504&postcount=1387[/url]
[url]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showpost.php?p=388932&postcount=821[/url]
Suerte.
Stowe
[QUOTE=Snowbird]Stormy,
We are all glad that your injuries were minor. But I am sorry to say that you are looking at this wrong. I mean you had money and this guy apparently had none. I think simply this is just the concept of "wealth distribution" being applied in Argentina.
Sorry, I could not past this up to tweak you.[/QUOTE]Hey Snowbird,
This is a perfect example of wealth distribution and it is so much clearer to me now. You are right - I have also been looking at being robbed incorrectly. I kept thinking criminals were trying to take my possessions but in reality, they are just trying to obtain possessions for themselves. And how can that ever be wrong? I mean, a true liberal would really believe that, correct? Guess I am not a true liberal as I would do what Stormy tried to do and kick the guy's butt!
Te que vaya bien.
Suerte.
Stowe
Electoral votes even larger. Ohio, FL, NV, CO, all went his way. Landslide it is.
Obama is fairly conservative when matched up against a porteno.
Hopefully Recoleta will appear in major metros in America.
The signs are that way so far.
Keep fingers crossed for a monger revoluation in the USA.
This Editorial Cartoon sums up the way a lot of people feel.