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thanks Andres.
I just got back to BA today. I´m dog tired from the hellishly long flight from the West Coast. I´ll try some clubs tonight although I don´t have much hope since it is Sunday. I refuse to pay $100 at Madahos. I hope no else does and sets the expectations too high for the girls. The last time I was there, Crazy Emily told me that some guy paid her $400(USD) for a couple of hours of her time. Insanity.
I haven´t been here in exactly a year. It feels like I never left. Things are mostly the same. Although has that Freddo always been there on the end of Village Recoleta?
Greetings, gentlemen.
Although I'm from Uruguay, I'm writing from Mexico City, where I live.
I've just registered in this superb forum. Truly a gold mine of information.
Congratulations, Mr. Jackson, for putting this site up.
Ok, now to my humble post. I'll be traveling to South America in a couple of weeks, and visiting Bs. As. during last week of April. I'll be coming from Montevideo, most likely. So, I'll definitely be putting into use your reccomendations and suggestions. I'd just thought it would be nice to meet some of you fellow mongers there. Also, feel free to ask about Mexico City's action, if you need some piece of info.
Here's an useful site: http://www.divas.com.mx/foro/forum.php
There are a lot of brazilian and argentinian chicas advertising on that site, and they're making a fortune in this city, by charging triple what they get in their hometown, I believe. (Usual going rate is around $170-$230 US Dollars)
BTW, I work as an English teacher here in Mexico, but I also speak Portuguese and Italian. If we ever meet there during my chica-hunting excursions and you'd like a little translator or interpreter help, I'll be happy to assist you, (free of charge of course, 'cuz I'll be on vacation, lol).
I'll be visiting a couple of clubs only, possibly Black and Madahos, maybe Affaire Recoleta, but I think I'll be spending more time and money checking out private apartments.
Take care, and have fun and safe adventures.
Chica Seeker, well I have run into apartments where "upper level" chicas are a little more than the normal girls. When Elvis and I went to an apt, he was looking for a particular girl. Her price was 10 or 20 pesos (50-60 pesos total) where as the one I got was only 40 pesos.
I think that you should verify which chicas are there, and then ask for a complete parade, that way they won't know that you are looking for that one special chica. They obviously ripped you off for at least 20 pesos. I think you let them roll over you by not insisting. If you just put your tail between your legs and run you're just teaching them that it's okay to rip off gringos.
Exon Reporting : --- Was out to dinner last night with Chica Seeker and was banded from Esteilo Campo the classy steak house in Porta Madero. Everything was fine untill the end of the meal when the check arrived. All I had was a few pesos and a USD hunderd dollar |bill. The check being about $160 pesos for the two of us I gave the waiter the C- note and he returned with change baised on a $2.70 ar exchange rate. I was both a little drunk and pissed as you can get a $3.00 exchange rate most anywhere in Recoleta, they even advertize it on many signs. Their prices are high, but Campo's prices are even higher. Anyway over comes the Chica who speaks English and tells me their rate is 2.70 and I know Im out at least 20 pesos on the deal. So I go over to the manager to complain and he points to the small sign, which no one could ever see, and tells me thats the deal. I still complain, saying thats not fair and after a little more hageling he reach's in his own pocket, pulls out a twenty hands it to me. I in turn immedately hand it over to the waiter as a tip. The Manger very politely states to me " please don't come back " Now what really bothers me is I'd rather have to option of being welcome at Esteilo Campo than the twenty Argentine pesos. I think I'll go back an apologize with twenty pesos ---- Exon
Exon, I had problems finding good exchange rates at times too and found that ATMs gave me the best consistant rates all the time. I think I get charged $1 per transaction, so will take out 1000 or 1500 pesos at a time as I need them. The Oanda.com site give me 2.92 pesos to the dollar as an official rate.
I realize that you may be a bit gun shy of pesos at time, given all the fakes going around.
Just Got Back,
You shouldn't stress about the prices in Madahos. I speak minimal Spanish -- enough to keep a 5-10 minute basic conversation going in the present tense. So I am just a little better off than the complete non-speaking Spanish gringo.
Every girl I talked with at Madahos is willing to play ball for around 200 pesos (not for TLN; but you should be able to drag something respectable out for that amount for a couple of hours).
Blacks is another story as everyone well knows. I tended to go into blacks and simply marvel at the chicas. THEY ARE NOT ANY BETTER LOOKING; JUST MORE EXPENSIVE. I state that as unequivical fact. Madahos has 5 really hot chicks and Blacks has 5 really hot chicks -- the remainder of the girls in both clubs are average looking; most of whom I am not attracted to at all. But especially not attracted to at Blacks because of theiir prices!
That said -- if it could be guaranteed that the girls at Blacks were worth the additional money insofar as they were out and out Porn Star Experiences. Then that would be a different story. Then I might be willing to play ball at an inflated rate.
Its just that that has never been my experience. The girls at Blacks are as good or as bad, as wild or as tame as most of the chicks inn any of the clubs. And unless your girl comes with a seal of approval from another monger -- then your really just rolling the dice paying the drink fees and crazy rates they want.
For my money -- I would prefer to "overpay" escorts Sandy, Bibiana and Abril--all of whom are great, proven providers for an incredible session than to chance it with a regular girl at blacks.
Moreover, virtually every girl in the line ups I saw at 1707 Santa Fe are comparable to the girls in Blacks.
Blacks is an overrated establishment that has only three good things going for it 1) location 2) ambiance 3) and the rule of the girls not coming up to you until you summon them; that is a nice touch.
Exon:
I don't know how many times did you dine out at Estilo Campo. If you were there at least 5 times, then they don't deserve your presence there anymore. In fact, I can barely understand how management decided that a patron who spent, let's say, ar$500 in 5-6 meals won't be given back a small portion of that due to discrepancies.
Recoleta has many places to eat and Buenos Aires has many, many more, MUCH CHEAPER and perhaps better (or at least as good). I guess that owners of Recoleta restaurants think that they "own" tourists because they are at hand, so they don't care if they piss off patrons.
There are several areas to experiment good dining:
- Las Cañitas
- Venezuela and San José
- Palermo Hollywood
There are at least 200 restaurants in these neighborhoods, all of them at a 10 minutes cab from Recoleta.
Recommendation: Go to any library (there is one in Village Recoleta, and three more around Callao and Santa Fe) and ask for a Guide of BA Restaurants (Guia de Restaurantes de Buenos Aires)
Hope this helps,
Andres
LA Larry, I´m not worried about Madahos. I normally pay 150 pesos and maybe 200 on the high end. It just amazes me that some guys fall for the 100 dollars routine.
It´s early evening here. I hate this time of day. Too early for dinner and the clubs aren´t opened yet. What to do? What to do? I think I´ll check out Solid Gold and Affaire tonight. I think they´ll be dead but I wouldn´t go to Solid Gold on a normal night. I´ve been there before and it was always a waste. I have hopes for Affaire and if that fails, fall back to New Port for a hail mary. I´ll post a report tomorrow.
Exon Reporting --- Thank You Andres I appreicate your comments. The number of times Ive dinned at Estilo Campo is more like 10 atleast. Its always been one of my faviorates in this beautiful city. Matter o fact Ive even have faviorate waiters that know my drink and have brought it to me even before Ive ordered it. Its an unfortunate event as I really like the place. Seems everyone has yacking lately how the Argentines have been riping off us Americana's, and it was really not the money, the priniple of course. And thats were we all get into trouble. Were talking about twenty pesos, roughly 7 US dollars. Now if that happend in my country, and it wouldn't because I speak my langush, there would be a problem. I just feel really bad about it. Thanks Again Andres ----- Exon
Hey JGB,
"The last time I was there, Crazy Emily told me that some guy paid her $400(USD) for a couple of hours of her time. Insanity."
That might be true, but as a rule I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of Emily's mouth.
Have a great time in BA!!!!!!!!
Hi guys,
I've been enjoying this forum for some time. I made a stealth trip to BA last September and had the time of my life.
I'm one picky bastard and so was my comrade with whom I typically travel. Day 1 - got to our apartment at 156 Parera (sig), 11th floor I believe. The place was nice but the beds SUCKED. Each room had two somewhat bowed single beds pushed together to make one larger bed.
Sure, they were fine when you were with a chica, but never a day passed when I wasn't cursing the god damned things whence I awoke.
After arriving, checking into the place and grabbing a shower (mid-Sunday afternoon), we grabbed a cab to Cafe Orleans - picked up a honey (sorry too long ago to remember names now). As there two of us, she called a freind to meet us at our apartment. The friend was a dog. We let her give us massages. Then we did the hottie!! Nice beginings to a new vacation destination.
The next few days were spent eating primarily in Palermo in the evening and checking out Shampoo (never found anyone we liked there) and Madahos before returning to our apartment with a couple of hotties. Some better than others, mostly pretty good. We always paid around AR$200 -
AR$250 for TLN.
We also had the standard city tour with Roxana; I highly recommend this. Roxana also set up a few dates here and there for us.
By mid-week we were on a plane to Ushuiua to check it out. Didn't expect much in the way of chicas there, just wanted to say we'd been in Tierra Del Fuego to our friends and family back home.
Well, I met a pro - Luciana- getting out of a cab near some seedy boliche. She was definitely the best chica I hooked up with my entire stay in Argentina. Ended up spending three nights with her. She is from Mar del Plat (I think). We had a lot of fun together, but I've no contact information on her. She said she was there only temporarily and that she would return to Mar del Plat in the coming months.
After Ushiuia we headed back to BA for the weekend. More Madahos, more Roxana set ups, and a few nights at Black. I had good luck in Blacks, paid AR$300 TLN twice. I had fun anyay.
After the weekend we flew over to Mendoza for a couple of vineyard tours and other site seeing. I grabbed some local paper and came upon the sex ads, blindly called one and received a pretty nice young gal an hour later. Not as nice as my girl in Ushuiai but nice nonetheless.
Highlights --- non pro girls walking around with perfect asses. We've since labled BA and the land of perfect asses. I suspect it's because 90% of the population seems to be living the fucking atkins diet.
Favorite Restaurant -- Bar 6 somewhere in Palermo. Great food, booze, etc.. We became very familiar with the young ladies who were hostesess, servers, and bartenders. Soooo gorgeous they were, sooo nice. Never even a glimpse of a chance that either of us might hook up with them. Great company anyway.
Best hang out place-- A small pool club in Recoletta called "Blue". I think it's fairly close to 1707 Santa Fe, but on a perpedicular street. Cheap beer (every table has its own tapper with a meter, you pay by the ounce / ltre), cheap pool tables and nice. Everything is in cobalt blue, including the felt on the tables.
Now some questions for all of you:
1. I'm returning in late May and am looking for a two bedroom apartment with (hopefully) internet capabilities. I've asked Mayra and she yas suggested the same exact place I stayed at last time. If not for the beds I'd grab it in a minute, even without internet. Any suggestions?
2) Is the boat ride over to Uraguay worth the time / money?
3) I'd like to help out on the soup kitchens for a day or so. I've set aside about US$300 to help out the cause. But don't have a clue where the places are or how to get to them.
4) I'd also like to know if there is some way that I can change my 'dorky' member name from "Member #1148" to something a little more unique.
5) Are there real limosuines in BA, I don't recall seeing any? I'm traveling with a different guy who hasn't a clue about the chica scene and would like to surprise him at the airport with a limo and a chica in the car waiting to blow him. Any suggestions?
6) Jackson, I'd like to help out the kids at the soup kitchens as much as I can for a day or two. I'll cook, clean, serve or whatever. Hope you can help me. Also, I wouldn't mind hiring some entertainers to keep the kids laughing... perhaps a magician or something along those lines. Would anyone mind if I filmed these events?
Thanks everyone, I hope to meet some of you once we arrive in May.
Cheer! FarmerD
JamesBond69,
What are you crazy??? It would be suicide to run against el jefe.
Besides, I could never "measure" up.
I'll wait for the rest of the story and then tell my spin.
President.....HA
I prefer Superman.....to the rescue of fellow mongers faster than a speeding bullet.....able to please three chicas all at a time.
You know, that kind of thing.
El jefe's claim.....going where no man has gone before.
Mad Max
Monday night Stormy, the Mouse, and I went totally sober to Hook's to confront the owner (Jose'). We went up to his post but were shooed away to the bar. I told the witch female bartender, whom I've never liked, in Spanish, that we would like to speak to the manager or the owner if that was possible. I used the very polite 'quisiera' form for the request. She said she didn't understand me. Bullshit. I said it again and she reluctantly brought him over. She looked very scared. I politely introduced all of us to him, then I explained to him that Mouse had to pay for drinks that Stormy and I had already paid for. I explained the circumstances thoroughly. He could not look me in the eye.
He then told me that this waiter was not on duty that night and that I should come back Monday night and he would investigate. Well, Stormy and Mouse will be gone by then. I then explained to him that we had made a pact to pay for each round in cash when we got it precisely BECAUSE we'd had some problems there before. He again repeated that the waiter wasn't there. I asked him if he was assuring us that he would investigate and he said he was. After the conversation was concluded we immediately turned around and walked out pretty fast without having a beer or anything.
I will return tonight to check again but I am boycotting this place unless 120 pesos are handed over with little further discussion. It has no advantage over Catto's. Catto's has bottled beer for 10 pesos and Hook's has cans for 12. Hook's chica drinks are more expensive and the bartender is a money grubbing kunt, whereas Catto's bartender provides excellent service and no whining for tips. Note that I did all the talking in this encounter and I thought very carefully about what to say, making sure to use the polite Usted form and so forth.
[blue]Hi DH,
I'd have to second the endorsement of the bartender and staff at Cattos. I've know the bartender, Lucas, for years. I've never had any problems in Cattos myself, or heard of anybody ever having a problem there.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
Member 1148,
This is my first time in BA, I spent a day with Captain Dave and Jackson on a soup kitchen visit, very heart wrenching. My suggestion would be spend a day with Jackson visiting the comodores and if one particular place appeals more than the others you could donate your money to them, through Jackson. The work Jackson And Dave do means a great deal to these poor people.
I took the fast boat to Montivedeo, Uruguay with a girl I have met hear, she speaks English a great help as I speak no spanish. I found the trip worth while, stayed at the Shearaton, very good value.
Hope this helps a little.
Flexible Horn
Well, after a major miscomunication with Jackson and Daniela, my return to BA was as great as I remembered, only enhanced by the favorable currency. While Sunday did not work out well, Thursday and Friday were fantasic. Started off with a visit to Cafe Orleans, and met Isabel, a tall Equadorian doll. Relocated to Hotel Horizante(sp) around the corner for a very pleasurable time. So fine, that we returned to my main stay at the Alvear and called a few friends from the Gemidos.com.ar website. Ended up getting Aldana from the fantasy section. She arrived very fast and had a two hour mff session. I still am thinking of that. Rest and a shower headed to the clubs. Hit Madahos, Affair, and settled at Black. It was great. Met up with a Paris Hilton look alike that was sweet. Needless to say sleep well that night and late the next morning. Had some business to attend to the following morning and early afternoon, but when finished headed back to Cafe Orleans for some quality time with Isabel. You that get to live there are truely lucky. I can't wait to get back next year.
PS Jackson, I will plan ahead better. Thanks for your help.
So I start last night by having dinner at El Establo. Check out my review in the restaurant thread. I was planning to go to Solid Gold and Affaire, but since I was in the neighborhood I decided to swing by Cattos and Hooks. Hey, looking is free. I get to Cattos and there are about 10 to 15 girls there. Not many guys. Not bad for a Sunday night. Not bad at all. One girl in particular has already caught my eye. I decide to check out Hooks anyways. I was in Cattos for maybe 30 seconds. On the way out the doorman asks for a tip. I say next time. I walk the 5 feet or so to Hooks. There are two girls there, one doable. No guys. So I head back to Cattos.
I get back there and walk the length of the bar. On the way back toward the door I feel something vibrating. Huh? I left my cell phone at home. It was my little head telling me it has made a decision. It´s the girl that caught my eye earlier. She gets off her stool and asks me to have a seat. I know it, she knows it, it´s a done deal. We grab a couple of beers and head to a table. We chat for a bit and then she starts the DFK. Always a good sign. We watch the incredible looking dancer who unfortunately doesn´t work there for a while. She asks if I would like company back at my hotel. I ask how much. She says 200. I counter with 150. I know, I know, I paid too much. I never pay more than 100 at Cattos or Hooks. She goes to change and I pay the bill. 10 for my beer, 20 for hers. I give the waiter 40. He brings back 10 and I tell him to keep it. He refuses. I try again. He says no tips. The doorman gets us a cab and I asks for a tip again. The girl says not to. I give him a little something anyways. I hope I don´t get banned from Cattos for tipping.
Her name is Rosa Marie. 26, blonde, 5 feet nothing and slim. She has a really tight body except for a bit of a tummy and some stretch marks from her pregnancy. Definitely a GFE experience. We take our time with the fore play and then she asks if we can shower together. Of course. I had to think about dead puppies to keep from ending the session early while so was washing me in the shower. We start and end with BBBJ. She asks if I would like to CIM. I say sure. She asks if it would be OK if she didn´t swallow. I say, of course. All in all she was one of the best I´ve had in BA. She ended up spending a couple of hours with me. She gave me her number and said let´s go shopping or have dinner or something. I never call these girls since variety is the spice of life, but I just might call her. At no time did she asks for money. I gave it to her as she was waking toward the door. I also gave her cab fare. She seemed surprised and grateful. She works every day.
Afterwards I head for a night cap at New Port. Once again, not bad at all. There were about 10 to 15 girls there as well. More than a few I would consider doable. In fact, Fabiona, my first in BA and one of my favorites was there. She used to work at Affaire. They were doing a brisk trade. I was only there about 30 minutes but about 5 of the girls left with guys. There was this one incredible girl, but she turned out to be the singer on a break. By the way, I saw a bunch of you guys holding up bills to the light. You know who you are.
I´ll have to take back my comment about Sunday´s sucking. They still might suck at Madaho´s and the other first line clubs. But the second string will do nicely. If I hadn´t picked Rosa Marie, there were at least 5 or so girls at Catto´s I would gladed have choosen. In fact one of them I´ve saw working at Madaho´s last year.
It amazes me how good people´s memories are. I haven´t been here in a year, but I´ve been to BA a few times. Fabiona remembered me right off. Name and everything. As I was walking back to my hotel. One of the touts for Affaire asks me where I´ve been. He hasn´t seen me in a year.
Madaho´s tonight. Hopefully it´ll be in full swing.
Oh by the way. I´m thinking about taking a daytrip to Montevideo just to sight see. Is that possible on the Hydrofoil or will I have to stay overnight?
Hello everybody,
I will be in BA the second week of April. This will be my third time mongering in BA. I can't wait. I will be staying in the Etoile form April 6-20.
Will anybody be there that might want to hit some of the clubs one night? Do mongers still meet up at the lobby of the Etoile each night?
If anybody want to get together message me through the WSG's private messaging system.
Ba_robert2004
Hello everbody,
Need some info,
Are those adds in "El Clarin" for real or just to attract
clients and then ripped them.
Any mongers have had dated any of those ladies.
Thanks
After comparing JamesBond69's "Banned from Black" story to mine, it dawned upon me that the reason behind my ban probably wasn't because Black's management actually believed that I had assaulted one of their girls. When I was back at Black on the night when all that crap happened, I was allowed to stay after explaining myself to two of Black's guys; both were Caucasian and were fluent in English; one was in his thirties and the other, more senior looking one was about fifty with gray patches on his hair (the older man is the manager, right?). Had they not believed me, they could have easily sent their bouncer to escort me out without much of a hassle. As for their fear of causing a scene, I was alone and am far from a thuggish looking type. Also, if they even had the slightest suspicion that I was a chica-beater, why would they have allowed me to stay, thereby "endangering" the other girls? The cost of a minor scene caused by having me escorted out by a bouncer would have been minor compared to the damage to their credibility had I truly turned out to be a chica-beater who was allowed to stay and "assault" yet another girl.
It turns out that when I was allowed to stay, the most attractive chica that I saw during my whole trip (I'm talking pros and non-pros here) approached me, think her name is Diane or Diana. She's about 5'5, very attractive and elegant looking brunette. To top it off, she was actually quite fluent in English, had a classy demeanor and seemed like a nice person. Unfortunately, she wanted USD200 for a short session and USD500 for TLN, that's right, US dollars. I thought 500 pesos for TLN was already a generous offer for a hot chica. Of course, out of loyalty to my fellow mongers and Jackson's position on overpaying, I told her to get lost. Okay, I am lying about not overpaying but she was really hot, LOL. She rates a 9 and on my scale, 10 is supermodel material. Anyway, I counteroffered with USD200 and finally USD300 for TLN and was shocked when she declined that offer and told me in a somewhat snooty way that maybe I should go shopping at Madahos (women are such changeable creatures). To be honest, I might have been willing to pay USD500 for a TLN with her if I believed she was serious about providing a top notch experience. But knowing that USD500 for TLN is ridiculous in B.A, my big head finally took over and convinced the little head that she was probably out to fleece me. First, the demonic Cindy tried to set me up, now a really attractive English speaking chica whom I really liked was trying to con me. So far, the night was turning out pretty bad.
Now, I was truly in a bad mood. So much so that I actually started talking to a fellow monger at Black. I believe in keeping my mongering activities separate from the rest of my life and try not to socialize with fellow mongers but he seemed like a nice guy. Anyhow, we start talking about the high prices at Black and I tell him about my rather "exciting night" with the evil Cindy and ultra expensive Diane. At the end of our conversation, I even asked him if he wanted to tag along with me to the more reasonably priced Madahos but he declined.
Given JamesBond69's experience with the Black censorship crew, I am beginning to suspect that I was banned not because they believed that I was a chica-beater but because they noticed that I was obviously unhappy about the way things turned out and was telling a fellow customer about Cindy and the high prices at Black; in my case, they were definitely watching me after the Cindy incident. Seeing that they have an aversion to free speech especially when it's true and potentially embarassing to them, I would not be a desirable customer. Heaven forbid that I go on to tell "cosas malas" about Black to even more customers. In addition, it seemed like almost everyone at Black believed me except for this one middle-aged waitress or hostess who kept giving me dirty looks. I think she's some sort of a senior hostess, she was wearing a waitstaff uniform but I don't recall her ever carrying any beverages. Even Issac, the black doorman was quite sympathetic when he told me the night after that the management no longer wanted me around. On the other hand, it could have been the generous tip that I gave him the night before but I like to think that he genuinely believed me.
The sad thing about it is that, like JamesBond69, I actually like Black. While service isn't great like Madahos where I was treated like a king, Black had more European looking girls which I have a preference for and they also had two or three real hotties but the rest of the chicas were pretty the same as Madahos. It could have been bad timing but I was at Madahos for five to six nights and couldn't find any chicas that I felt was a real looker.
What I found really disturbing about JamesBond69's report was the comment that bans at Black are for life. I'm headed to B.A in May and was hoping that they would have new staff at Black who wouldn't recognize me. Plus, I probably visited Black only about four times and that was during last August. Still, people at clubs tend to have very good memories. Guess it's pathetic wanting back in after being treated unfairly but the ban didn't bug me at that time since it happened towards the end of my trip, Issac was also pretty nice when breaking the bad news to me and I didn't undergo any sort of public humiliation. In addition, I met this hot Brazillian chica at Black whom I spent over half my trip with. Does anyone know what my chances of getting back into Black are?
After a long absence I am returning to BA on April 16 for a ten day visit. Look forward to having a beer or two with any mongers that care to indulge. Alas, I see Jackson will be gone. Perhaps we can have the weekly AMA meeting regardless.
Don,
100% if you come with me. HA
Mad Max
My favorita was scheduled for 9 PM but was a no show. That is the second time that has happened and I think it will be the last. Too many fish in the sea and I think something went wrong somewhere down the line. I was thinking about calling Paraguay 921 when the phone rang and it was a chica to whom my friend Corina had given my number. She was quite pushy and wanted me to come to her apartment but I insisted on meeting her for a drink first. When I did, I was not interested. I was also on Figueroa Alcorta and half way to Nuevo Estilo, and had a free admission card in my pocket. A no-brainer.
The bad news is that Antonela was not there. The good news is that the waitress learned a lot in her first lesson. She said she had been thinking about how to give blow jobs all day Sunday. I had a little packet of dulce de leche from the breakfast bar and I made her lick it all off, every drop. I told her she had to tease me for the full hour and that she wasn't allowed to give me any pussy. Well, okay, we did cheat a little but not much. It was a lot of fun and now I am really horny and must go to Maipú or similar. I told her I would be back on Wednesday for the third lesson and that it would involve honey and portable electronic devices.
¨Do I have $100 tattoed on my forehead?¨
Struck out last night. I went to Madaho´s first. I haven´t been there since the renovation. Looks great. The waiter who used to help me out a lot remembered me. I guess he´s moved up. He´s wearing a suit now. The place is packed with ladies. It´s about 11:40. Plenty of hot chicas to be found. I sit with my beer and try to make eye contact with a few. Time was, that a glance and a smile would at least get a smile in return if not the girl coming over to say hi. No more. Did I get magically transported to Black? The girls seemed stand offish last night. They would just look away or continue chatting with their friends. I finally take the initiative and walk up to a couple. They did warm up at that point. I tried to close the deal with a couple of them. I asked how much. Both said exactly the same to me. 300 minimum. That´s about $100. I tried talking them down to 200. After a little effort, the first one said 200 would be OK if we went to the close by short stay hotel. She said it would be 300 if we went to my hotel since it was ¨lentos¨, slow. I took that to mean that my hotel was too far away. Hardly, it´s maybe another minute or two away walking then the short stay. She held firm to the 300 at my hotel. I declined. The second didn´t even budge on that. Madaho's used to be one of my favorites, but with that attitude and price I might as well go to Blacks. I leave.
Next I go to Affaire. Not good. 10 or so chicas but really none to my liking. At least the girls here have a good attitude. About half of them came up to introduce themselves. While I was there, I never seen so many guys come in, look around for about 30 seconds and then leave. There must have been 30 or so who did that. I have a couple of drinks and give my last drink to the last girl I talked to and left.
I head for a hail mary at New Ports since it looked good the previous night. Not as good last night. But Fabiona, who used to be one of my good standbys, was there. I thought it´s a done deal. We talk for a bit and then I ask her back to my hotel. She says it´ll be 100 dolares. This surprised me since I've seen here about 4 times and each time was 150 pesos. I countered with 200. She says no. It's 100 dollars. I walk away shaking my head. It's about 3 am by now and I'm debating calling it a night or trying to see if Rosa Marie is at Cattos. I decide to give it a try.
Since I´m walking by, I decide to pop into Hooks. Plenty a chicas and a couple that look promising. I decide to stay. Yessica, of the photo gallery fame, comes up and we talk. She is a nice looking girl but not my type. I like European looking girls. I glance and smile at the two girls that caught my eye. Each one comes over to introduce themselves. But saidly up close, they didn´t hold up. One good thing about offering the girls a cigarette is that by the light of the cigarette lighter you can get a decent look in a dark bar. By this point, I was tired, frustrated, drunk and nauseated from the cigarette smoke. I decide to call it a night. I paid and left. I did check the bills I got as change and all is good. The bar tender seemmed a little miffed that I was doing that. I noticed that the 20s also have fibers that light up under the black light at the bar. So that´s another inidicator.
100 dollars? Is this the going rate at Madaho's now. Have I lost my touch? Hopefully I can pick up some tips at the AMA meeting tonight. See you all there.
Exon Reporting : Well yesterday afternoon I had a 1:00 pm starting time with Fadiana. It lasted all afternoon till 5:30 pm so no pussy for me last night. We have been practicing a new finish. Just before I cum I put out and she jack's me off all over her tits and face, now isn't that romantic. And,moreover she's getting good at it. Tonight Carolina and I have an 8:00 pm tee off time,so it looks like I'll get laid a little latter. Im saving my sperm for her. Hey, a bunch of you have been hearing $100 USD dollar quote's. Strangely so have I. Was in Affair last night on a recon mission and ran across the girl that ruined Jackson's bed. Im sure most of you remember her from a previous post. Well she held firm at $100 USD, I latter got her to qoute $300 pesos but for added time for a total of two hours. I passed of course having drilled Fabiana three earlyier in the day. ------Exon
Exon, 300 pesos is more than $100, of course, so not really a deal at all. For even TLT, I think $100 is the upper limit, personally.
I think that what happens is that so many guys will come in and splash money (Larry), and then everyone, thinks that you will pay $100US. The girls hear about this, and think that if one gringo will pay it, all of them will.
Went back to Maipu 429, 5th floor no. 5. Different madam this time, a blond Anglo type vs. the dark gal from the previous visit. I knew I was kind of early at 1 PM but the selection was only four girls, including the one I did the first time who was the best looking of the lot. I wasn't going to do her again just based on GP so that really left me with three 5s. I chose a Porteña named Agostina for half an hour for 50. BBJ without asking and pretty good one at that, MPCFS, squirt, see ya. Free beer and very cold at that. Not near as nice of a room as last time and the mattress was all jacked up. Bathroom was clean though, and so were the towels.
Alboroto:
Both: Some are real and some are traps. Usually, traps promise unreal things, such as a 21 y/o,100-60-100 girl doing BBBJTC for ar$10
Hope this helps,
Andres
Guys,
I have never been to B.A although I have a friend who moved there last year so am planning to be there for Xmas2004. Been on a few trips to Rio (Be there next week!) so can't wait to get to B.A. to sample the mongering and to compare the chicas ;)
The chicas in Rio are also quoting more in US dollars this year compared to last from reading reports. The reason why we are being quoted more might have something to do with the weakness of the $dollar, especially vs. the UK£ and Euros? I know I will definitly benefit on this trip compared to my last one in October 2003. I'll understand if I get charged say $R30 more in Rio as I get a much better rate!
Just a thought, maybe the chicas have started to get all economical and are reading the financial news and charge according to market rates and point of origin :)
Rezza
Reading Don Busch's report and having seen Black twice in a previous trip, I wonder why those read this forum would go there and why Don and JamesBond69 would want to go back there. It is just an average club with average girls looking for premium prices. I really did not see any stunners there.
Black is well located and seem to get recommended by the hotels. Hence the patrons are first timers and "tourists".
Those who have done their research know better.
Cheers.
JackDaniels ---- I tend to agree with you about "Black" , but on the other hand there's two or three in their I would spend the $300 dollars or more they want. And, Frankly their worth every penny of it . Its just that Im an admirer of DickHeads way of doing things and basic bottom line is, It doesn't take any brains to spend money. Any dumb shit can do that. Moreover the real fun about Buenos Aires is the hunt for the pussy not just the act itself. That all being said, There a blond in their I just might weeken on ----------- Exon
Exon,
I agree with you, much of the fun is in the hunt and negotiations. That's why I like moving around because things can change nightly and hourly.
Ola all! The Mouse (along with oxygen mask and IV bag) has finally limped home with a tear in his eye. It was great seeing Stormy, Dickhead, Exon, Moondog & Jackson again along with meeting some new friends.
The week included 11 girls (only 2 were old friends) of 4 nationalities from 6 different locations and "Not a single Bad Experience" among them. The costs for the most part (not including a tip for some) was 150p for 2 hrs or more, with a few exceptions of 200p - 250p for 2 hrs - TLN and 1 chica charged me 300p for 8 hrs (well worth it).
For the first time ever, I never made it to Madaho's or Solid Gold, but I will repeat Nuevo Estilo for the one or 2 that got away. DH, keep up those lessons for the rest of us!
Hope to see you all again soon,
The Mouse
"An Equal Opportunity Fucker"
LA Larry,
Just got back from the Riviera but just read your report about going to Mar Del Plata. That is hilarious man. I gotta say I admire your sense of adventure just renting that rental car. Sounds like something crazy I'd do. Ha, ha.
As far as Black's. I agree with you. I do have to say that I've never had any problems there. I don't quite understand why guys like Jamesbond69 go there so much if he doesn't pull girls out and only goes to inform the clueless how BA works. I'm all for being muy tranquilo and not causing a scene. How does arguing with the bartenders, never pulling any girls out, telling all the customers that there are cheaper places in town make yourself a good customer there???
I'm not sure if you should be banned but like it or not, Black's is what it is. They are a business trying to make money. Every city has their version of "Black's". I've pulled some stunners out of Blacks. Usually I just get their phone number and see them during the day. The management is always nice to me and so are the bartenders and waitresses. I'm certainly NOT endorsing them. Yes, they can be a rip off. My only point is that if I owned a business and some guy that I considered to be pestering my clients, staff, etc. I'd probably ban him too.
In a place like Black's and anywhere else like it in the world....your best chances of scoring with the hotties if you go back over and over is to get a good reputation. Often times I don't pay much more than other places with Black's girls. I think the reason is these girls all talk to one another.
I'm not slamming you Jamesbond. I just don't have sympathy from you getting banned there from what you posted. Good luck.
Why I want to get back into Black:
For me, short time with the club chicas is simply a losing proposition; I'm a fairly decent looking guy who believes in treating the escorts well and I like to think that I get better mileage than most from the escorts when I monger in Montreal but all that doesn't really matter in B.A. I don't speak Spanish plus given many of the chicas' short term mentality, most of my short time arrangments have ended soon after the first service is done. Of course, it could be that I'm just repulsive to all Portenas but the end result is pretty much the same.
So if I'm going to pay 200-250 pesos for a short time session on top of the exit drinks and tips, I might as well just go to Montreal which is a lot closer, where roughly the same amount of money can get me a full hour with a fairly attractive to very good looking escort (depends on who is working) who speaks English at reputable Montreal agencies like Asservissante or SatinDreamz delivered to my hotel room. In addition, it's rare to get an escort with a bad attitude at these agencies since they are selling companionship and sex, not drinks and have a clear incentive to pick attractive girls with good attitudes. I was at Madahos for five to six nights and never once did anyone there ask whether the chica whom I took out the night before, provided good service. As far the clubs are concerned, their idea of the perfect customer is JamesBond69's American law student who thought that he had to pay just to watch the ladies prance around. In B.A, whether to pay the chicas before or after is an issue. But in Montreal, so long as you're dealing with reputable agencies, the idea that paying first will result in poorer service is actually a bit ridiculous. It's like in McDonalds, paying first doesn't mean your McNuggets and fries will arrive soggy; there's just a basic sense of professionalism. I think it says a lot that when you click on the "Reviews" button on the Asservissante website, it links to the biggest Montreal monger board on the web. I doubt that any B.A club will ever have a link to the WSG on their websites.
It seem I have digressed, guess I just wanted to vent my frustrations at the messed up incentives that the B.A clubs have, hope my rantings haven't offended anyone. I actually do like B.A a lot; it's a safe, beautiful city with warm and friendly people, the fact that 1 US dollar buys 2.9 peso doesn't hurt either.
As I was saying, given that short time sessions with club chicas don't make sense for me; TLN is by far, the best option for me. Besides, cost-wise B.A beats Montreal hands-down for TLN. I agree with Exon123 that apart from the standard fare, Black sometimes have 2 or 3 real lookers who are a cut above the rest of the club chicas. Since I find it difficult to do a TLN with someone whom I don't really find attractive, I'm pretty much limited to those 2-3 lookers at Black which is why I want back in. Hopefully, on my next trip, the offerings at Madahos will pick up. Guess if all else fails, I could try the other clubs and there're always the internet chicas.
Mad Max,
Can you really get me back in? But I do have my pride, not much but some and I won't apologise to them or anything like that.
Thanks
About the US$100 quotes that several were mentioning - when I was with an amiga at the end of Novenber (she works out of Madahos), she told me that the management told the girls that they should not be accepting anything less than US$100 to leave with a non- Argentinian guy. I knew this wasn't happening from reading the posts, but I'm beginning to wonder if this "push" toward US$100 is gaining steam. Anyhow, she said this was the management that was telling the girls this. I don't think she was BS'ing me for any reason. This might explain the higher quotes and firm stances more of these girls are taking.
MM,
That was a fun night, and I enjoyed seeing old friends, and making new acquaintances.
We will do it again,
Moondog
Mr. Jak
About your last post: "...management told the girls that they should not be accepting anything less than US$100 to leave with a non- Argentinian guy."
That's very unfair, if true, IMHO. Especially considering Argentinian chicas who travel to Mexico City offering escort services, charge a going fee of $2000-2700 mexican pesos (about $177-240 US dollars, I think). I am told (by one of the girls, no less) that on good months of steady work, Argentinas from the www.divas.com.mx site can rack up to $10,000 US dollars. That's right, American dollars. No wonder they're so keen about coming here over an over.
I agree that Mexico's action can't compare with Bs. As. (national escorts are usually above the $100 US dollars mark) but that gives me impression that an Argentinian chica is entitled to squeeze your money from you just because she's beautiful and/or you're not from the same country as her.
A fellow monger from Mexico told me he went to Bs. As. to check famous Recoleta clubs, and he came back priding himself he had a great time with a model looking-type girl from Black for $500 AR pesos.
After reading WSG forum, I fear these girls will gladly suck your wallet dry, no matter your nationality. Maybe clubs there are only for wealthy tourists (which leaves me out of the game). Guess I'll be spending more time visiting private apartments.
Good luck, safe and fun adventures.
Pricing $100;
This is in the same vein as I mentioned earlier from when I was in BA in Jan/04. A Madahoita, A planned event away from her work that evening, was telling her Amiga that 200P minimum for short stays is what we will be charging at Madaho. (And sure enough that is what she asked for that night but it was an all nighter w/ dinner & dance.)
She did not distinguish expat or not but these two portenas were with a Latino and Americano that night.
I think I have read lately of 150P from Madaho but as Jackson said, he paid the 200P once now he is marked at Madaho. Oh, if the peso could only go back to 4P/$US.
MAG
HERE IS A NEW ANGLE TO COUNTER THE NON-ARGENTINE ISSUE:
For a limited time only I will be selling birth certificates that show that you were born in beautiful Buenos Aires and were spirited out of the country as a mere babe, hence your lack of Spanish, and that being seperated from your country you should now rate a discount! These birth certificates will be so real that even holding them up to the light the girls from Madahos / Black / etc won't be able to tell if they are fake.
Satification guaranteed or your money back...unlike SF1707.
Now all the above is a joke, but, maybe Senior Jackson could get a certificate scanned in and with Adobe Photo Shop and I would do the rest. Imagine the look on the chicas face when she quotes the higher rate and you whip out your birth certificate.
In Senior Jacksons case its the only thing he may pull out or they still will want more money to accomodate him.
Although on this visit I have been specializing in doing the young and naive types, I've been very surprised that none of the club girls have asked for money up front OR tips at the end. The only price inflation has been at Guemes 3221 where they are now asking 100. Also 429 Maipu is not open on Sat or Sun: M-F 11-9 per white madam, who is also offering self.
Free pizza night at Nuevo Estilo tonight.