2004 Reports - Edited

Having worked waiting tables in my life, I appreciated getting tipped. I do try to find out the tipping customs in places I visit, but even so, I always leave a reasonable tip wherever I go, whether it's the custom or not. In so doing, I've never had anybody say that they thought less of me for having done so. Maybe they THOUGHT so, but they didn't say it. Oh well. Better to err on the side of being thought of as stupidly generous rather than cheap and miserly. This is my own personal diplomacy to help out the image of Norteamericanos overseas. ;)

Uncle Otto

PS - Let one thinks not tipping is a "European" thing, one of the most tip-conscious places in the world is Hungary. And last time I checked, they're Europeans. :)

Just a quick question, and then you guys can get back to philosophizing....

I will be in BA later on this week and I'm thinking of venues for an afternoon juntita while I'm there. I've read through the list of private apartments that Jackson posted, sounds like Maipu, Suipacha and Santa Fe are the top contenders. I'm just wondering if anyone has any recent experience at Bonne Femme or this new place I see on the internet, Baires Love.

Gracias amigos,

Guillermo

And now back to our regularly scheduled programming....

Hey I realize this is the Buenos Aires Economic Debate Forum, but I was just wondering if anybody has gotten LAID recently???? Personally I ALWAYS pay the girls double what they ask, so they will know what nice guys we Gringos are! Just doing my part for international diplomacy.

About to go to the airport (more depressed than usual) for the trip al norte after my fourth visit to Argentina.

Spent most of my time at 3221 Guemes. Was taken with a blonde called Millena, and one called Carolina. Exceptional value for 70 pesos for the half hour. Apparently these girls appear on some website.

Also paid a visit to 1707 Santa Fe, where it was the standard fare: an exceptionally pretty, pleasant, slim practitioner of BBBJ (francesa sin globo) for 60 pesos for the half hour. This and the Guemes place are exceptional value, in my opinion.

The last day here-a session with Millena, followed by a sumptuous lunch with wine at RodiVinho (on Callao) for 12 dollars.
If this isn´t living, what is? Feel bad for the poor SOBs who haven´t discovered BA.

[quote]Originally posted by Chuponalgas

I was just wondering if anybody has gotten LAID recently???? Personally I ALWAYS pay the girls double what they ask, so they will know what nice guys we Gringos are! Just doing my part for international diplomacy.
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I got a blowjob from an ugly chica the other day. She had an ass as wide as the River Plate, her stomach had more rolls than a bakery, and she more lines on her face than one finds on a road map, but HEY! It was only 40 pesos!

I also had a glass of beer for a mere one peso. Sure, it tasted like chilled squirrel piss, but what a price! The place also served free pizza. It may have tasted like toasted cardboard with brown dirt sprinkled on top, but it was free!

All you suckers, you're all paying too much for your fun. You need to be more like me, the equation is "OttoGraham minus taste equals a cheap good time."

Uncle Otto

Starfe - you would pay $500 for a bartender ? Holy macaroni ! $500 just for someone to pour you a drink ? :) Now that is a big tip.

More seriously though, it appears that it is the venue, and not the chica, that is a determinant of pricing. Reading Dickhead's example, the same chica commands a premium at one place compared to the other.

What is good is that we will never agree on what is better quality and this is good as we all don't end up chasing the same chicas. OK, most of us will prefer Jennifer Lopez over Roseanne but we will probably split into almost equal sized groups when we are faced with a choice of Cameron Diaz or Gwyneth Paltrow.

In my travels, I have always been amazed by the tastes of my fellow mongers in the kind of girls they take out of clubs. It is true diversity of taste.

I only mention this in the context of the discussion of price and quality. One man's better quality is another man's waste of money. Long may it remain so.

JackDaniels,

I will be back at that club on Nov 12th and close that deal. She was 5'10" and looked like she just stepped out of a Playboy centerfold. I set goals for every trip.

Thank god they don't include a cure for cancer.

Starfe

Well I have what everyone I talk to thinks is a very cute chica and she has been blowing me since last night and I will give her 120 pesos and she will be happy. I don't go with ugly chicas. Ask anyone.

EDIT: My chica refused to take any money because she started her period in the middle of the night. Like I fucking give a shit. I'll sneak her some more next time just to be fair.

Regarding Otto's comments, last Sunday I got a blow job for 40 pesos from a girl whose ass was very nice, who had no rolls on her stomach, and no lines on her face.

Hey, it's great to back in BA! Great to see some of the fellow mongers!

Seems like the last page or so is a debate on price, quality, value, whatever...here's my 2 cents worth of advice, based on experience and what others have said that I found to be true:

There is no correlation between price and quality.
There is no correlation between looks and quality.
There is no correlation between someone else's experience with a girl and your experience with the same girl.

I agree with JackDaniels: sometimes I'm amazed at the tastes of my fellow mongers! But, on the other hand, they're probably equally amazed at me. De gustibus non disputandum.

Chicks with Dicks don't count!!!!

I am sorry, Chuponalgas, but you must have me confused with your mother. Now go suck butt somewhere else.

ABOUT THE CULTURE OF TIPPING

Completing my first trip to BA, and while editing my report, just a quick response to CaptainNemo and Saint’s posts of 10-04-04, with respect to the culture of tipping. There is no need to have a (controversial) view, but a better understanding of the culture should prove useful:

1) CaptainNemo wrote: “…I was embarrassed by some of those Europeans who absolutely refuse to leave a tip in American restaurants.

2) Saint wrote: “…If I was in a restaurant in the USA with a European and they didn't leave a tip, I'd never go out to eat with them again.”

For 5 years as a student in Europe, I worked in the HORECA sector.
HORECA is the abbreviation for Hotel – Restaurant – Café.

In the 1060s, early 1970s, it was common practice to leave a 15% tip on top of the bill. Waiters and waitress were getting their pay exclusively on tips. Hence, you can understand how disappointed and angry they could become when they had done their best, and how pissed one can feel by the arrogance of some customers behaving as asshole champions, leaving less than 10% if not less than 5%, or, even more insulting, only a dime.

Then in the mid-1970s in most E.U. countries, it became compulsory by law to have the 15% tip INCLUDED in the price of the menu. In other words, never again a disappointment and/or an argument in the server-customer relationship, and therefore, there is no need for room on the European credit card receipts to add a tip. Same thing in every other sector of the economy, for instance for taxi-driver: the tip is included in the price!

The waitress, the taxi-driver, etc, get then their pay out of the total price, and argument, if any, is reduced to a common employer-employee relationship, hence leaving the customer out of it, hence keeping the customer happy… (smile, big, big smile)

Working in the sector, I appreciated that “civilized” law: I knew that for my hard work, I shall always get my salary, even if the customer complained about the coffee or beer brand served at the place. If he does not like the brand, it is up to him to go elsewhere, and once he orders the service, then his duty is to pay for the service.

Today, when traveling around the world, most Europeans do not know what is a tip. As it is compulsory by law in their country, ignorant as they most are, they do not know that in other and “laggard” countries, compulsory is not the case as yet.

When I was first in the USA, assuming that that country was at least as civilized as Europe, I also did not pay any tip. Once, in my limited English of the time, I could perceive how mad and rude the taxi-driver was getting at me. So, I inquired, and I learnt that, by comparison to Europe, the USA social law is fairly laggard in this respect of the workers.

Thus, it is better to understand differences in tipping culture, isn’t it?

Thus Saint, have a second diner with your European friends, and help them to understand the USA laggard culture of both sex-prison and anti-social lack of compulsory law of tipping.

As far as I am personally concerned, here in Argentina, I always left a 15% tip. Cheap bastards would say that I am probably overgenerous. But well, I prefer to keep my distance from cheap bastards, and to socialize with more generous people.

With respect to girls from the triangle, most of the time, they started negotiations at AR$300. Instead of negotiating a cheaper price, I proposed for more time, like TDL. Most girls liked the prospect, or more exactly the certainty of having the income of two customers a night, with the possibility to sleep instead of having to return to their boliche, hunting a not-certain second customer. Hence, sex in the night, sex again in the morning and sometime sex in the middle of the night also, depending how time was used, with a girl happy to know that she will get a guaranteed income equivalent of two customers for her efforts to please to one only. In addition, to a grateful girl, you leave one tip only. So is the art of getting higher quality at a lower cost, for both partners. (smile)

Next part when I shall be back in Europe.

Enjoy the spring at BA, and happy mongering,

Butter Fly

JackDaniels posted: "we are faced with a choice of Cameron Diaz or Gwyneth Paltrow".

Take a good look at some of the pictures posted in the WSG BA section. Many of those girls aren't a "Cameron Diaz" OR a "Gwyneth Paltrow". That's my whole point. I think some of them are closer on the Rosanne side then the names you mentioned. I'm quite glad we all have different tastes in girls though. It would be damn boring if we all liked the same type of girls. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as the Photo section clearly shows.

Good luck.

I was speaking hypothetically not literally.

Purely to illustrate that people have different tastes.

I will pay more for a girl in Blacks or Madahos simply because if I am going out on the town for a few hours I would rather hang in a club like Madahos or Blacks. When I factor in the lighting, ventilation, comfort and fresh squeezed OJ for my vodka, its worth the extra 100 pesos.

Did you ever think that its all you guys paying the average girls 100-150 pesos that makes the hot ones believe they are worth 250. You budget minded value guys are making it real tough on those of us that don't give a damn.

Face it, there are different levels of mongering which should satisfy everyones tastes. I just got back from a weekend in the Dominican Republic and I was in Hell. But one mans Hell is another mans Heaven.

I am surprised you guys who live in BA are paying at all.
I go 2-3 times a year, and I still call some of the Platynum and Madaho's girls I met 2-3 yrs ago, some of whom are now students, normal workers, etc. They are delighted to hear from me and come right over and don't ask for anything, altho I always make a point of bringing a nice present for them and taking them out for a nice dinner. Oddly, for example, there is no equivalent of See's candies in Argentina, and the girls go WILD for a box of chocolates!

I also bought a calling card and call my "amigas" from several countries from the USA for 5 cents a minute on their birthdays, etc., and often I time my trips for their school vacations, and we end up going to Bariloche or Iguazzu, etc. and similar places in other countries, without any direct payment.

I am quite wealthy and have no reason to be a cheapskate, but I am also not a young stud, but i have found that a little bit of attention and niceness goes a long way!

I have also charmed the pants off some of the restaurant girls who work the Recoleta sidewalk, altho this is fairly difficult.

Of course, I am no Price Charming, and the first time with any working girl I pay the going rate. In the meantime, in the pure P4P department, I got a little backwoods cutie in a small town in Nicaragua last year for $4 USD. Hard to beat that!

" bring a nice present for them "

Me to. On my next trip down in Nov I am bringing some girls pearl necklaces and others double eagle gold coins. I also get a lot of free sex by giving gifts instead of cash. We seem to think alike. Thank God gold closed at $412.80 down .70 cents. I only need to buy 15 1oz coins. Its a lot cheaper in the long run.


Starfe
aka ( young stud )

Guys,

I've been reading this forum for a while now and am finally heading down to what seems to be Paradise. Going to do a Rio/Buenos Aires taste test.

I'm a little bit anal - so I've been trying to compile a list of the apartments in BA, along with some girl names and prices. I haven't finished going back through the whole thread, but here is what I have so far.

Please either post or send me more info (or corrected info if I have any of this wrong). I hope compiling this isn't a breach of etiquette.



Suipacha 921
2 girls/100P for 40Min
Cara

Corrientes 1965 13A (30p-30Min)(50P/1hr)
Lorena, Nicole, Daniela, Cynthia, Candela (70P)
70P

Santa Fe 3373 5C
Tamara (40P)

429 Maipu piso 5 (Maipu and Corrientes) (100p)
Sophia

1707 Santa Fe (120P – 2/300P – 80P/45Min)
Joana, Fernanda

Rivadavia 1929

Sarmiento 1828 (30P/30Min – 40P/hour)
Maira and Karen

Laprida 947

Guemes 3221 (100p)

Arenales, 2463 -(30P/1hr/special)
Florencia, Daniela

Greta from Estilo Nuevo

Starfe wanted to nail a very famous girl from Estilo Nuevo Called Greta (famous for gringos and locals alike). She's REALLY cute, but at the outside (she behaves like a way-too-high stuck-up b*tch, which is a reason for not doing anything with her). In any case, she is movie-star material.

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The famous issue of prices

I read all arguments and I agree with all of them. Why do I have such cheap politician mindset? Because I guess that this issue is SO complex and SO personal that it is impossible to say "you paid ar$300, so you are a sucker" or "you paid ar$50, so you are a cheapo looking for ugly, stinky women with no teeth".

Time constraints, trust, looks, previous experiences, etc, all impact the monger's assessment of the supply side. Perhaps for a long-term resident in BA who knows the ropes and had previous experience in Flores (and liked that qualiity), paying ar$300-500 for a girl in Black or Madahos is ridiculous, but not for others.

In fact, in my future visits to BA, if I come with big money I would visit Flores a couple of times and Madahos as well, especially if I have few nights. However, I may visit more the Triangle because you find girls there with nice looks (as good as in Recoleta) and less clockwatch attitude (in average) than at Recoleta. As usual, based on my personal views and experiences.

Hope this helps,

Andres

Could we let Andres have the last word on this, or must we continue to flog this dead horse?

On 10/4, Saint wrote:

"Two totally different classes of girls. There might be a rare girl that works in both Black and another lower tier club but it is very few and far between."

(I wish I could find how to use the "quote" function on here. Someone clue me in please.)

I must respectfully disagree. I guess if one doesn't spend much time in the "lower tier" clubs, one really wouldn't know who they might find there.

I posted a snapshot in the Photo Gallery of two girls, Gimena and Marcela, that I took out of Exedra one afternoon about 5 PM. They told me that they work at Madahos and charge $300AR per hour, each. I am sure that they said this to establish a premium price in my mind.

However, I practiced a little "monger jujitsu," turning their own strength against them.

"Excellent, then this isn't your real income for the night. You can accept something less and feel great! You'll know that you already have money in your pocket before you even go in to work tonight!"

Negotiations went pleasantly, and they agreed to $150AR each. Of course, I didn't have any cover charge to pay or chica drinks to buy, either.

Just four pesos for a cafe con leche. But I did leave a 25% tip - I'm not cheap!

Much of the debate here is theoretical and philosophical in nature. By am am just reporting the facts. These two girls became my reality.

I normally don't do twosomes, as it seems like a lot of overkill to achieve the same result, but my redhead really wanted her blonde friend along, and I decided it would be a nice experience.

The blonde actually had the friendlier attitude and definitely added a lot to the session. They understood the meaning of teamwork. This Madahos girl two-for-one special worked out great.

I don't believe I would have ever been able to get that price if I hadn't been willing to troll in a "lower tier" cafe.

Meaning, that I would have never ended up enjoying these two chicas at all.

DB

I vote we let Andres have the last word. There is no right answer, what strikes me as odd is the tone of the posts. One pays to much and is an asshole and the other likes to fuck ugly chicks, I suspect neither is the truth. To each his own.

Back to the pussy. Has anybody ever sessioned with Yaninna from Area VIP? She is also Nuria at Gemidos. I'll be back in three weeks, personally I hope to monger with both Saint and Dickhead, should be an interesting contrast. Dickhead I still owe you two beers and a couple potato's (alternate Republican spelling potatoes)

I agree. Let's let this thing die with Andres post.

Dodger Bulldog, you are actually wrong with your post though. I do spend time in all the other clubs. I constantly have friends in town that want to try the other clubs so it's inevidible that I'll end up in some of those clubs to check the talent out. I've been in lots of clubs around Buenos Aires so don't assume I just hang out in Black and Madahos. That isn't true. I've been to BA more times than most Americans that I know with the exception of guys like Jackson and a few other guys.

As far as those two girls that told you they work at Madahos. Just because they might work there doensn't mean anything. I see lots of ugly girls working at Black and Madahos that don't make any money night after night. They might ask for 300 pesos but I doubt they consistently get it. Maybe they played a little "hooker jujitsu" on you too.

I'm not saying there isn't some quality in the other clubs and either is anyone else. Most of us don't have a problem with anyone paying as little as they want for a girl we don't find attractive. The biggest problem we have is when guys come on here dictating that the rest of us are idiots for doing it.

Let's drop this whole price issue. As long as we are all having fun.

Saint

Saint, I guess you took some offense. It wasn't intended.

If you can lump those two chicas in the photo with your comment on "ugly" girls, I guess we can only say to each his own.

I guess that everyone can take a look and judge for himself.

They sure turned my ass on.

DB

I can think of only a few regular posters on this forum who *can* leave it alone. Everyone has to be, "Can't we just leave it alone". It will take days before everyone is bored enough, or forgets enough to let it lie.

Everyone has different tastes. I hate it when guys pay $300 an hour for a $100 girl. To me it just muddies the water. However, I've posted on it way too many times to add anything new to this old discussion.

As we've learned, posting "Mission Accomplished" too early has very bad effects.

I vote for more horse-flogging!!!

So long as some people here continue to criticize others for drilling anything that costs more than 150 pesos, I am with you, Chup! ;) We don't all want to swim in the ditch and live like the Latino Beverly Hillbillies when we go on vacation! :D (If you want to do that, more power to you - but please don't whack on me and the many others who don't share your preferences!)

Uncle Otto

I am a newbie to Argentina, been traveling to Asia , I want strictly blondes , thin, and 18 -25, what country is best and how do I elimanate looking at dozens before I get what I want, price is an object but I am willing to splurge (200 all night max ) to get what I want. I usually go for one month. I appreciate any imput from more experienced mongers

Apologies for interrupting the flogging, but could somebody confirm the address of Rio Cabana as Cordoba 4950? This place is open during the day isnt it?

Also...I read somewhere on the board of a boliche called L'Prive....is the address of that Av.San Martin 6101?

many thanks

MH.

Rio Cabana is near 5000 Cordoba near Cordoba and Cerrano. Something helpful to note is once you become a client there they will let you call a girl and pull her out without even going there if you know her name. The atmosphere is to be desired if you like a party environment there but as I've posted before, it's not a place you go to spend hours and hours. Usually it's good for a quick drink then to pull a girl out. It is nice there because it's not smoky and quite with decent lighting so you can actually have a conversation with the girl. Be careful though to specify that you want to take them back to your apartment. I thought it was a given but one time this girl thought I just wanted to take her to some short term hotel they use down the street. She came out in her jacket and her skimpy little outfit but I didn't notice till we got in the car since her jacket was covering her clothes.

Dodger Bulldog, totally no offense taken. I just wanted to correct you when you said that I don't hit the other lower-tier clubs. I've hit them several times. I've hit some places that most on the board probably have never been to. My funniest experience in BA is still when my buddies Kickstand and UWPhoto and I went to this club in the middle of nowhere. At first they let us in then they kicked us out. My amigos were pulling me out by the arm since I was sitting there arguing with the doorman. Oh well. Lots of good times here in BA. And no, I wasn't saying your girls were ugly. I only meant to say that several girls told me they also worked at Black, Madaho, whatever club. Just because they tell me that I don't necessarily believe them.

Totally take where they work out of the equation. A line like, "I also work at Black", shouldn't make them more valuable just on those words alone. Pay what you think a girl is worth and if she is too expensive or asking too much just pass. I do it all the time. Just don't pass judgement on everyone else. I think Slick1 made an excellent point when he said that the hot girls take a lesson from all you paying some of these other girls 150 pesos. I agree with Jackson and others when they say there is no correlation on price and performance. However, I would say that a truly beautiful model type usually will cost more.

Have fun fellas.

Getting away from flogging for a minute.

I might get away for Halloween weekend for a nice quick jaunt to my favorite city South of the Border. Any recollections by you fellows of Halloween parties? Or haven't the Portenos discovered the joys of dressing up as Count Dracula yet?

Uncle Otto

Exon Reporting: Price

The end of this past July was my last day of a two week stay in Buenos Aires.

I was sound a sleep with " Wood " in my hotel room in the Las De Americas Hotel just up the street from the Dazzler on Libertad, it was 9:00 am in the morning.

There was a knock on the door I got up and opened the door and there stood Maria Paula looking like a million bucks in cash. She immediately started on me with a blow job, (BBBJ Of Course) and we continued to fuck for about the next two hours. After I shot my last load of the trip, (all over her belly i might add ), it was time to clean up take showers, pack for the trip home too sex prison and settle up with Maria Paula.

In the Hotel saftey deposit box I had just $300 hundred dollars in US cash and about $175 Argentine peso's in my pocket. Maria Paula and I have never decussed money or price Ive alway's just given her that was fair plus maybe a little extra.

This morning I gave her a $100 in US cash, stateing " this is for Fideil Castro" as she was leaving for Cuba the next day for personal reasons and $175 peso's stating " This is for Maria Paula mi Amor" she burst out lafying.

As I checked out of the Hotel I cashed the second US hundred dollar bill for peso's and I took Maria Paula to El Marisol for lunch. Leaving me with just a hundred dollar bill in US cash for the long trip home.

After lunch Maria and I window shopped checked the internet and our e-mail before I finally got Anna, ( our offical WSG driver on the phone) for transportation to the airport. Anna was at the Manson as she had just picked up Captain Dave coming in from the USA. Great as I wanted to say good by to Jackson and hello to the "Captain" before leaving and this was a great chance for Maria to see the Manson. So we took a cab out to the Manson.

We hung around for a couple hours and then it was time to head for the airport for if I checked in early I had a good shot at a first class up grade, ( I ended up with business class ), and I wanted to buy smokes to take home with me because there so much cheaper in B.A.

When we got to the airport I said I'd buy us all dinner. There's a pretty good restraunt in the airport that most Mongers don't know about but Maria Paula sure did and she lead us all in their.

After dinner and in paying the bill I found I had about 125 Peso's left of the hunderd dollar bill I had cashed earlier in the morning at the Hotel. I gave Anna $65 peso's, her regular fee of $45 plus a $20 peso tip for driving Maria Paula home. The other $60 peso's I gave to Maria in front of Anna stateing "por mi Amor".

So in essance I had given Maria Paula the $100 US, say about $300 peso's plus $175 pesos, plus another $60 peso's for a total of about $535 peso's or $178 US dollars for over 12 hours of her company. That less than $15 US dollars per hour for the company of someone I really do love and enjoy being with. ( I have two or three other girls in B.A. I feal the same way about ).

Did I over pay, maybe from some Mongers perspective, but not from mine. I had the companionship of someone I truly enjoy being with, we both had fun being with one another and she needs the money a hell of a lot more I do. Plus I had come to Buenos Aires to have fun and it costs money to have fun. So I spend my money accordingly, it was allocated to have fun with before I left the USA.

So my point being is that all of us come to Buenos Aires to have fun. If you see a girl in Black or Madaho's that costs $300 ar. dollars pay it as you may never have another chance at a women that has caught your eye like that. And in the same breath I'll state "it doesn't take any brains to spend money", and as Jackson has always stated price and service have nothing to do with each other.

Mongering Tips From Exon.

Amen Exon. It's all about having fun. People need to take money out of the equation sometimes. Life is too damn short guys. I have so many examples like Exon gave from all over the world. The memories I have made are truly priceless. Do you think when you are in the hospital, or sitting on your rocking chair when you're an old man you are going to be worried about that extra few bucks you spent. I doubt it. I don't know about you but I'll be thinking about all the great fun I had.

In my old line of work, I came across so many people that had so much money. Many worked all their lives, didn't take time to stop and enjoy life. Over the past 9 years, 3 of them died, believe it or not on their first day of retirement on a beach. Life is short. You can't spend this money when you're dead.

Glad you had fun Exon. That's what this whole thing we're doing is all about.

True, this is a well flogged issue. Somehow, it has a life of its own. This issue will drop soon but it is sure to return as everyone has an opinion on it. It is certainly worth hearing these opinions. I for one, am not tired of reading these; but perhaps we should move on.

I thought it might help if some of you people had the opportunity to show how well you understand the concepts being discussed here.

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Knuckhead 09-03-04

Of particularly excellent value is the fixed price lunch menu, a terrific deal at 36 pesos for two courses or 48 pesos for a 3 course luncheon.

Sterling V and I had lunch there about two weeks ago, taking the two course meal and ordering the desert a-la-carte. All courses were superb, and the attentive waitstaff kept our wine glasses full at all time. We wrapped thing up with espresso and desert, and the total damage was about AR$105. Unbelievable!!

Aragorn 07-08-04

American investment has resurrected this faded beauty with a great new interior and impeccable service.
The good news stops there.
Prices are sky high.
Onion soup 12 pesos. Two lamb chops, little meat and a lot of fat 50 pesos.
Quality is mediocre at best. My companions lomo was flavorless and overcooked.
Dessert menu was uninspired. Wine list had a 200% mark up.

OttoGraham 05-06-04

Excellent service, with a price somewhat below its pricier parrilla neighbor, Cabana Las Lilas (which is excellent too, just not quite as good a value for money).

Grshel1 04-18-04

I had a fantastic meal Sunday afternoon at Lola´s in Recoleta. Many of you think this may be a bit of an expensive place but let me tell you what I got for 32 pesos.

OttoGraham 01-23-04

I had an excellent sushi combination, my companions an excellent rack of lamb and a tenderloin in phyllo dough in a manner reminiscent of Beef Wellington. With 3 or 4 glasses of wine mixed in, the tab came to about 120 pesos for the three of us. We all thought our dishes were excellent.

One Tree Hill 12-21-03

The four of us had full meals - desserts from the menu, a bottle of wine for the chicas and 4 beers for the guys. Total bill was 120 pesos! About $10 USD each. I expected it to be about double that.

Very classy inside, the chicas liked it and the cost was great. I reccommend it. Good value.

AmanteLondres 12-17-03

We had a terriffic meal, excellent service, good size portions and fab. wine and a great place to take a chica. I went with an old GF. The bill came to 160 pesos.Compared to most reports on this site it is expensive but in Europe you'd pay around $us 160.
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Now, suppose there were only 15 restaurants in BA. Suppose there were no menus, and the only way to determine dishes available and prices charged was this forum, or accept what the waiters quoted verbally to you. But you had the ability to negotiate with the waiter.

Now, then suppose that some of the restaurant owners here started to become aware of US-Europe prices, and started teaching the waiters how to charge more to Gringos, because they knew nothing of the true situation in BA.

Now, suppose that the tourists that came started paying US-Europe prices without question when asked, paying excessive and unnecessary cover and service charges, then tipping 50-200% of the excessive price then paid? Many because they were simply too lazy to research the reviews available in the forum, many because "What the hell. I'm on vacation and I might as well spend what I can afford.". And they posted questions like: "I don't know anything but don't want to look at all the posts so can you just tell me which restaurants are the best and cheapest? I eat in New York all the time and will use that experience to guide me."

The tipping is a further example of how escalation works without price lists. I can remember when a good USA tip was 10%, then 15%, 20% and now I am seeing travel guides(always the trend setters) pushing 25% and more.

So, the next time you return the starting asking prices are higher, service charges more excessive, service and food worse? How would you feel about the use of the review information? What types of things would you suggest might be done about it? Swearing you would never answer another stupid question? Swearing you would never introduce another restaurant to the tourists for them to ruin? The creation of menus here perhaps?

A primary difference between this industry and restaurants is that there are no menus. That is why I have always pleaded for postings in more of a menu format, and less attention to self serving descriptions of the WAY IN WHICH YOU ATE THE MEAL(again I would reference Dodger Bulldog's list, and Andres' format). That, gentlemen, is the issue to me, and you will see that all of my postings have been oriented toward these ideas. It is that simple.

So maybe instead of bitching about overspenders, I should post some advice based on my experience on [b]how to get better prices for pussy[/b].

1) Learn to speak some Spanish.
2) Be light hearted and funny, with a good attitude.
3) Negotiate respectfully.
4) Do some repeats with the ones you especially like.
5) Think about the time of night you are in the boliche. You might be able to get a better deal shortly before closing time because a) it's a perishable product and b) she does not have to go back to the boliche so you may get more time for the same money.
6) Always think in terms of pesos. Dollars? What are dollars? I don't have any dollars. We are in Argentina.
7) Carry candy, bombones, alfajores, and similar items.
8) Control your weight, brush your teeth, comb your hair, change your clothes, use deodorant, etc.
9) Don't say you are here on vacation. Say you are working here for an unspecified length of time. This is not a lie. You are working on getting better prices for pussy!
10) See #1.
11) Don't wear expensive jewelry or overly fancy clothes.
12) Tell them the price you are offering is for the first session and you [b]might[/b] be willing to pay [b]slightly[/b] more if and when you repeat with them.
13) Learn to eat pussy effectively.
14) Learn some god damn Spanish already.
15) Buy Dickhead drinks and dinner; this will improve your karma.

Hope that helps.

Prices are going to go up if there are more tourists in Argentina.

Prices are going to stay flat if there in no increase or decrease.

Prices are going to go down if less tourists come to Argentina.

(You can substitute "tourist dollars" for "tourists")


In the words of Forrest Gump, that is all I have to say about that.

Under no circumstance carry around Bon Bon Ice-Creams . I tried it once and by the time I gave them to my chica at Blacks it had already melted in my pocket. I'm not kidding. Don't try carrying ice cream as gift unless you plan on getting rid of it quickly.

I hope this helps.

Starfe

Dickhead,

I couldn't agree with you more. That was the best post I think I ever read from you. Everything you posted I completely agree on (with the exception of dressing nice. I always dress really nice but it doesn't hurt my negotiating skills).

Those things that you mentioned will do more to get the price lower than anything else. Those things will apply no matter whether you are in Black, Hook, or any other club. Again, I totally agree on everything you posted and I think that 100% of the WSG members will be well advised to follow the advice you gave. People would be surprised by how just making a girl smile or laugh will get the price down.

JackDaniels,

Prices ARE going up. I can tell you that many hotels are raising their prices every month. Some are increasing them an alarming 50% from their current rates. It's certainly NOT just from mongers. It's just from the general tourism trends of Argentina. This amazing country is still on sale and will be for some time. Tourism should steadily increase over the next few years.

Good posting Dickhead

I have shorten it to just 4.

1. Learn to speak some Spanish.
2. Pay market fair price
3. Learn to eat pussy effectively
4. Get the phone numbers of the one that really dig you.