2012 Elections in the USA

[QUOTE=Black Shirt;427208]Break it down for us simple folks, my head is spinning. (3 smiles)[/QUOTE]The crib notes are that last night:

1. Obama was alone, armed only with his record and what he knows and believes. Therefore, he was defenseless.

2. Objectively, there is nothing about Obama or his record as president that can be truthfully pitched as proven success (if you disagree, don't bother with talking points, be specific with the perceived achievements).

3. In the absence of any shred of proof that anything Obama has done has helped the US economy, voters are left to scratch their heads. When he can't specify one success on the economic front, the voters get pucker factor.

4. Romney, to his credit (I've never been a Romney supporter, until he got the nomination) has some balls. He went after Obama on his failures. In contrast, McCain was afraid to even pronounce his name for fear of offending someone.

5. The people who were surprised by last night's performance were the those on the left and others who believed the media about who Romney is.

6. When Romney had the opportunity to disintermediate (I. E. Remove the middleman) his relationship with the public, the public, overwhelmingly found him to be likeable and competent (a stark contrast to the other guy on the stage).

[QUOTE=El Alamo;427214]`Trickle down government` that about says it all. Explains why we are all hurting. Government is not the answer to our problems. Government is the problem.[/QUOTE]I thought "trickle-down government" was a keeper as was "You pick the losers."

Romney and his advisers took a page out of Ross Perot's campaign manual: keep it simple and when possible draw a picture. Since Romney didn't have a whiteboard, he had to find one or two opportunities to create a mental picture. The oil "subsidies" were a juicy hanging curve ball, out over the plate. Romney crushed it with the mental illustration (see how I did that?) of how the handouts pissed away to Obama's contributors under the guise of "green energy" were the equivalent to 50 years of the oil "subsidies."

I love the post-debate coverage with geniuses like Stephanopolis were calling it a draw and saying that no one landed a knock-out punch. While the latter may be true (no knock-out punch) , Romney was able to land jabs and crosses, at will. Had it been a fight, the referee would have called it less than half way through.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye; 427215]2. Objectively, there is nothing about Obama or his record as president that can be truthfully pitched as proven success (if you disagree, don't bother with talking points, be specific with the perceived achievements).

.[/QUOTE]1. Auto Bailouts.

2. Killed OBL.

3. Drone campaign against Al-Qaeda

4. Ended the "black hole" war in Iraq

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales; 427224]1. Auto Bailouts.

2. Killed OBL.

3. Drone campaign against Al-Qaeda

4. Ended the "black hole" war in Iraq[/QUOTE]I must add some more:

Ended Qaddafi reign in Libya without a single American combat troop loss.

Successfully ended Don't Ask, Don't Tell and established equal rights in the Military.

Got most of the TARP funds disbursed under the Bush / Paulson regime repaid to the Treasury, and restored a functioning banking system.

Stimulus Prevented the next Great Depression from happening, and restored over 75% of American Wealth lost from 2006-2008.

Established first ever universal healthcare program in the USA . It's a fact, if you could not obtain insurance before, this is a HUGE breakthrough and will likely save hundreds of thousands of American lives annually by insuring all Americans can get their illnesses treated.

Libyan people, rather than Obama or the US gov, ended the Qaddafi regime. For the universal halthcare, it is premature to make assessment of the positive and negative impact. We must see if the whole medical cost will decline or not (market competition vs economy of scale argument) and if the number of sick people will increase since they worry less about medical cost, as conservatives project.

[QUOTE=Member #2041; 427226]I must add some more:

Ended Qaddafi reign in Libya without a single American combat troop loss.

Established first ever universal healthcare program in the USA. It's a fact, if you could not obtain insurance before, this is a HUGE breakthrough and will likely save hundreds of thousands of American lives annually by insuring all Americans can get their illnesses treated.[/QUOTE]

Stop supporting the Republican Party, which wants to maintain and control the government, and start advocating for an anarchist society without government?

[QUOTE=El Alamo; 427214Government is the problem.[/QUOTE]

Interesting, most commentary about the debate seems to focus on style. Romney was said to be more forceful and energetic. Obama too reserved and polite (or worse names from some). Obama looked down too much, etc. A little silly to me. I don't like a salesman pitch, I like someone who appeals to my reason and intelligence. Obama beat Romney on this count, but it seems many Americans (including some liberals) put a lot of value on style, they want to see a fight. Ehhhh, I'm influenced much more by policy and character.

I noticed a lot of right wing aggression and chest-thumping. Trying to kick Obama to the curb with lies and smears. Rather ugly, but that's nothing new. It's the same type of arrogance that gives Americans a bad name abroad. I guess they needed a release, after the trouncing Romney has had in the polls.

Now that Mitt Romney is proclaimed a strong candidate by his party, if he loses, his failure will be explained differently. We won't be able to say it was because Republicans didn't have a good candidate. The only explanation will be that Americans rejected the Republican message. This temporary focus on style will shift back to substance (policy), in fact it already started today. And this is where Republicans struggle. It is indeed too early to proclaim a winner. But if Romney loses now, people will be talking about Laura Ingraham's advice to "shut down the Republican Party". It will be ugly.

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;427224]1. Auto Bailouts.[/quote]I said positive, not brazen, extraconstitutional national appropriation of private property.

[quote=]2. Killed OBL.[/quote]Obama had as much to do with killing Bin Laden as did George Bush. Your point?

[quote=]3. Drone campaign against Al-Qaeda[/quote]Killing people, completely devoid of legal finding, is now a liberal call to arms?

[quote=]4. Ended the "black hole" war in Iraq[/QUOTE]What? I think that the heat is getting to you. Nice try, though.

I will omit that Romney had better Lies. Romney gained one percent overall.

In other words the small 47% people, Know Where O'Romney came from.

What is the name of his Planet? Should have been "Rich Man Only"

I bet you do not know, where his after life will be?

P. S. Russ LimtDick said the Obama's grades were C's, in Harvard, but the school gave him A's.

Gee, there must have been a Lot of Black Professors to do That?

[QUOTE=Member #2041; 427226]I must add some more:

Ended Qaddafi reign in Libya without a single American combat troop loss.[/QUOTE]I don't think that team-O-loser wants to highlight their "successes" in Libya, right now.

[quote=]Successfully ended Don't Ask, Don't Tell and established equal rights in the Military.[/quote]Honestly? With all due respect to those that bat for the other, or both teams, the gay population of the US is well below 10% and less than 1% of the US population is in the military. So 100% of the country is suffering and Obama is doing what?

[quote=]Got most of the TARP funds disbursed under the Bush / Paulson regime repaid to the Treasury, and restored a functioning banking system.[/quote]TARP had president elect Obama's fingerprints all over it. Any illusion of the US tax payer getting repaid for TARP and / or stimulus is pure fantasy.

[quote=]Stimulus Prevented the next Great Depression from happening, and restored over 75% of American Wealth lost from 2006-2008.[/quote]Your figures on the restoration of wealth are perplexing. As for preventing the next great depression, I am not certain how giving $2T to cronies and supporters of of the president saved us from anything.

[quote=]Established first ever universal healthcare program in the USA .[/quote]I really heard Obama banging the Obamacare drum last night.

[quote=]It's a fact, if you could not obtain insurance before, this is a HUGE breakthrough and will likely save hundreds of thousands of American lives annually by insuring all Americans can get their illnesses treated.[/QUOTE]Poppycock. You can say whatever you want as often as you like, it still won't make it true. I have never had a problem getting insurance individually or as a family, with loads of preexisting conditions. Even if you weren't completely off base, how many people do you think that this would help? Consider that up to 50 million Americans may lose their health insurance due to Obamacare. Just like the $90B pissed away on Obama's cronies in the "green energy business" it appears that the left is willing to err to the extent of 50X, in order to help a few. If you don't think that is anti-American, well.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 427244]P. S. Russ LimtDick said the Obama's grades were C's, in Harvard, but the school gave him A's.

Gee, there must have been a Lot of Black Professors to do That?[/QUOTE]I will never say a word in anger towards WT (considering the ear-to-ear sh*t-eating-grins he has enabled) , however, I would like to point out there is very little chance that racial preference played no role in getting a black stoner from Occidental to Columbia and then on the Harvard.

In every room he enters, Obama is the least qualified person present.

I have the feeling that the first debate was Obama doing a "rope a dope" and that Toymann will still be paying my night at Madahos.

[QUOTE=David_33;427247]I have the feeling that the first debate was Obama doing a "rope a dope" and that Toymann will still be paying my night at Madahos.[/QUOTE]One can't execute the rope-a-dope, if one lacks all forms of substance.

You can keep whacking off to that Farah Faucet poster but, I don't think that she is going to knock on your door, anytime soon.

In what Country did your family escape from.

Where is your Birth Certificate?

Check the Sailing List, was your relatives on Board?

Or did your family get into the USA Like Romney's Dad Did? Illegally?

[url]http://www.maritimeheritage.org/[/url]

Sounds You Are Loaded!

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye; 427246]I will never say a word in anger towards WT (considering the ear-to-ear sh*t-eating-grins he has enabled) , however, I would like to point out there is very little chance that racial preference played no role in getting a black stoner from Occidental to Columbia and then on the Harvard.

In every room he enters, Obama is the least qualified person present.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69; 427254]Or did your family get into the USA Like Romney's Dad Did? Illegally?

[url]http://www.maritimeheritage.org/[/url][/QUOTE]Yeah, right, and Obama was born in Kenya too.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye; 427243]I said positive, not brazen, extraconstitutional national appropriation of private property.

Obama had as much to do with killing Bin Laden as did George Bush. Your point?

Killing people, completely devoid of legal finding, is now a liberal call to arms?

What? I think that the heat is getting to you. Nice try, though.[/QUOTE]I guarantee you that the vast majority of registered voters in the United States agree that the accomplishments I credited to Obama are in fact successes. How many registered voters do you honestly believe would have preferred GM and Chrysler to be liquidated, US soldiers to still be getting slaughtered in a hopeless war in Iraq, and various dangerous Al-Qaeda figures including OBL to still be alive? The OBL killing came under Obama's command and Obama made the call to go forward with the operation; George Bush never came close to even locating OBL during his two terms of mis-administration.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye;427243]Obama had as much to do with killing Bin Laden as did George Bush. Your point?[/QUOTE]Amongst the lies and nonsensical steaming piles of bullshit that the right wing has attempted to foist on the American public, this is the largest and stinkiest of all.

I wonder if the poster is even genuinely stupid enough to believe it, rather than simply being disingenuous. But in actual fact, Bush thoroughly de-emphasized this mission, and Obama re-emphasized it, and had the guts to make the call to go forward, against the advice of several senior advisors, including Gates and Biden.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye; 427246]I will never say a word in anger towards WT (considering the ear-to-ear sh*t-eating-grins he has enabled) , however, I would like to point out there is very little chance that racial preference played no role in getting a black stoner from Occidental to Columbia and then on the Harvard.

In every room he enters, Obama is the least qualified person present.[/QUOTE]Nobody who has ever not been qualified has become the President of the Harvard Law Review. I find it amusing that Wild Walleye is passing judgment upon the qualifications of someone who is quite obviously VASTLY more intelligent and vastly more accomplished than Wild Walleye is.

Affirmative action might have gotten Obama into Columbia, but from that point on, he achieved academic honors at Columbia, and becoming President of Harvard Law Review speaks for itself as an earned accomplishment for all but the most obtuse and denial-ridden amongst us. Oh, then he wrote two best-selling books, and got elected to Congress, the Senate, and the Presidency. They don't have affirmative action for those things.

[QUOTE=El Alamo;427214]"Trickle down government" that about says it all. Explains why we are all hurting. Government is not the answer to our problems. Government is the problem.[/QUOTE]That was quick, don't you have anything better to do? I don't believe you or I are hurting at all. We are the ones who is better off than 4 years ago. My mutual funds have made a comeback I could never dreamed of. But it still hurts to pay $3-4 at Starbucks! And why is there a tip box at every damn counter? Worse, it has spread all over the world.

Govenment is not really the problem, just BAD govenment.

I have heard all the excuses: Obama had an off night, Obama was playing rope a dope, Obama was preoccupied because he had not attended a national security meeting in 3 years. Let's face it. That was as good as Obama gets. Exactly in line with his performances in the 2008 Democratic primary debates and the 2008 presidential debates.

I will go a step farther. If Obama had debated McCain Wednesday night, his preformance would not have raised eyebrows. In fact, the media would have called Obama the winner. Unfortuneately for Obama, Romney was Obama´s opponent and comparing Obama aka Pee Wee Herman, Alfred E Newmann to Romney aka Babe Ruth, Jimmy Fox, Lou Gehrig is ludicrous.

Lets face facts. Obama is a fraud, a fake, a huckster and an intellectual midget. The only people more naive and shallow than Obama are the pathetic losers who cannot see Obama for what he is. A fake and a fraud and above all, dime store huckster.

[QUOTE=Member #2041;427264]Affirmative action might have gotten Obama into Columbia, but from that point on, he achieved academic honors at Columbia, and becoming President of Harvard Law Review speaks for itself as an earned accomplishment for all but the most obtuse and denial-ridden amongst us.[/QUOTE]I guess we'll never really know exactly how academically accomplished Obama really is because...

1. Occidental College records - SEALED
2. Columbia college records - SEALED
3. Columbia thesis paper - SEALED
4. Harvard college records - SEALED
5. Selective Service registration - SEALED
6. Medical records - SEALED
7. Illinois state senate schedule - SEALED
8. Illinois state senate records - SEALED
9. Law practice client list - SEALED
10. Certified copy of original birth certificate - SEALED
11. Signed, embossed paper certification of live birth - SEALED
12. Baptism record - SEALED

...and why is it that we've never heard from anybody who remembers Obama from his college days?

Thanks,

Jackson

[QUOTE=SnakeOilSales;427262]I guarantee you that the vast majority of registered voters in the United States agree that the accomplishments I credited to Obama are in fact successes. How many registered voters do you honestly believe would have preferred GM and Chrysler to be liquidated,[/quote]Anyone dim enough to think that a company with $147B in LTM revenues and sitting on $13B in cash is going to be liquidated as opposed to reorganized is dim enough to believe that Romney is planning to cut taxes for the rich to the tune of $5T (or 5 times the total individual tax revenues collected by the govt for the year 2011). If Romney cut 100% of the taxes paid by the "rich" (top 1%) , it would take 13 years for that to amount to $5T. Obama is like an insolent child spewing BS on the playground.

[quote=]US soldiers to still be getting slaughtered in a hopeless war in Iraq, and various dangerous Al-Qaeda figures including OBL to still be alive? The OBL killing came under Obama's command and Obama made the call to go forward with the operation; George Bush never came close to even locating OBL during his two terms of mis-administration.[/QUOTE]If you check the record, I commended Obama for going through with the strike to take out OBL. If you think anyone in that position could chose a different decision, I am all ears (as opposed to just having big dumbo-ears).

[QUOTE=Member #2041; 427263]Amongst the lies and nonsensical steaming piles of bullshit that the right wing has attempted to foist on the American public, this is the largest and stinkiest of all.

I wonder if the poster is even genuinely stupid enough to believe it, rather than simply being disingenuous. But in actual fact, Bush thoroughly de-emphasized this mission, and Obama re-emphasized it, and had the guts to make the call to go forward, against the advice of several senior advisors, including Gates and Biden.[/QUOTE]See prior post (hint: "prior" means preceding).

[QUOTE=Member #2041;427264]Nobody who has ever not been qualified has become the President of the Harvard Law Review.[/quote]Upon what, do you base that ridiculous statement? Maybe you could restate it in English.

[quote=]I find it amusing that Wild Walleye is passing judgment upon the qualifications of someone who is quite obviously VASTLY more intelligent and vastly more accomplished than Wild Walleye is.[/quote]I can assure you that my academic achievements equal, if not surpass, those of our glorious leader. I managed to graduate from excellent schools in spite of being discriminated against (for admissions) , due to the color of my skin and geographic proximity of my birthplace.

[quote=]Affirmative action might have gotten Obama into Columbia, but from that point on, he achieved academic honors at Columbia, and becoming President of Harvard Law Review speaks for itself as an earned accomplishment for all but the most obtuse and denial-ridden amongst us.[/quote]I doubt you had similar comments to make about GWB getting his MBA at Harvard. All but the most obtuse understand when you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

[quote=]Oh, then he wrote two best-selling books,[/quote]Not sure how much "writing" he did. As it turns out, the books, allegedly authored by Obama, were misidentified as nonfiction.

[quote=]and got elected to Congress, the Senate, and the Presidency.[/quote]Running unopposed in all three (when you take into consideration how weak a candidate McCain was).

[quote=]They don't have affirmative action for those things.[/QUOTE]How's the Cool Aid, this morning? Do you really think that Obama hasn't received preferential treatment in part due to his race, over the past four years? Have you picked up a newspaper, recently?

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;427255]Sounds You Are Loaded![/QUOTE]Do you mean to say that I needed to be drunk to think that Obama received preferential treatment or drunk to state it publicly?

To ignore the history of racial preferences in the USA is to ignore the facts. I have never faulted Obama, or anyone else for that matter, for availing himself of the opportunities that were available to him. In fact, I have stated that exact sentiment many times. I also do not feel that the fact that someone gained an educational advantage over others, based upon racial discrimination, diminishes their ultimate accomplishments. However, it is intellectually dishonest and disingenuous to tout one's achievements on an apples-to-apples basis when one has been held to a different standard.

As far as Obama being a pot-smoking slacker, that is the self portrait he drew in one of the books that he allegedly authored.

Just for the record, believing and/or stating that Obama received preferential treatment, in part due to his race, is no different from the claims that GWB received preferential treatment because of who his daddy is.

When I was accepted by the institution (truck driving academy), where I did most of my undergraduate work (except the time I spent studying at an old, stuffy place on the banks for the Charles River), it was a well known fact that white, American-born males had to have better SAT scores and transcripts than did folks that were not white, American-born males. That is just the way it was. There wasn't anything that I could have done about it (life isn't always fair), so I accepted it and moved on. I probably haven't thought about it more than a couple times over the past 25 years.

I guess they opened them for Russ. Because he says he knows what Obama grades were.

[QUOTE=Jackson; 427270]I guess we'll never really know exactly how academically accomplished Obama really is because.

1. Occidental College records. SEALED.

2. Columbia college records. SEALED.

3. Columbia thesis paper. SEALED.

4. Harvard college records. SEALED.

5. Selective Service registration. SEALED.

6. Medical records. SEALED.

7. Illinois state senate schedule. SEALED.

8. Illinois state senate records. SEALED.

9. Law practice client list. SEALED.

10. Certified copy of original birth certificate. SEALED.

11. Signed, embossed paper certification of live birth. SEALED.

12. Baptism record. SEALED.

And why is it that we've never heard from anybody who remembers Obama from his college days?

Thanks,

Jackson[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Member #2041;427264]I find it amusing that Wild Walleye is passing judgment upon the qualifications of someone who is quite obviously VASTLY more intelligent and vastly more accomplished than Wild Walleye is.[/QUOTE]Hitler, Stalin, Jimmy Carter and Warren Harding were all intelligent and accomplished in their own special ways. I'd vote for Walleye over Obama anyday. Actually, I might just do that. I was debating between Romney and Gary Johnson, but maybe I'll do a write-in instead. Wild Walleye for President!

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;427282]I guess they opened them for Russ. Because he says he knows what Obama grades were.[/QUOTE]I have been telling you for months what Obama's grades were. Acumulative 1. 57 GPA with numerous stents on academic probation for lack of academic achievment (read lack of intelligence)

And the biggest hoax is that Obama claims he was cumma sum laude or some similar nonsense at Harvard. The best thing Obama's professors could say about Obama at Harvard was that when Obama quit selling drugs and quit using drugs Obama was able to raise his academic standard to D level.

Wow! I always thought I was just lucky. Now I get it. I wasn't lucky. I made my money off the stupidity of others. And in this world there is nobody as stupid as an Obama supporter. It takes an unique and total lack of intelligence to fall for a transpàrent fraude, fake and huckster such as Obama.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye;427274]Upon what, do you base that ridiculous statement? Maybe you could restate it in English.[/QUOTE]

That was English, although I might concede that it was English beyond your level of comprehension. Sorry, I can't do much about that.

[QUOTE=Wild Walleye; 427274]

I can assure you that my academic achievements equal, if not surpass, those of our glorious leader. I managed to graduate from excellent schools in spite of being discriminated against (for admissions) , due to the color of my skin and geographic proximity of my birthplace.

I doubt you had similar comments to make about GWB getting his MBA at Harvard. All but the most obtuse understand when you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Not sure how much "writing" he did. As it turns out, the books, allegedly authored by Obama, were misidentified as nonfiction.

Running unopposed in all three (when you take into consideration how weak a candidate McCain was).

How's the Cool Aid, this morning? Do you really think that Obama hasn't received preferential treatment in part due to his race, over the past four years? Have you picked up a newspaper, recently?[/QUOTE]As I said, I acknowledge that Obama likely got into Columbia via affirmative action. But he then did earn academic honors at Columbia. Even rich white folks who earn academic honors at Columbia can likely get into Harvard Law on that credential. That being said, unless they are damn accomplished in their studies once they get there, they don't become President of Harvard Law Review.

Getting into Harvard's MBA program is roughly 2-3 orders of magnitude lesser of an exclusive accomplishment than getting appointed President of Harvard Law Review. Even for someone who probably earned it like Mitt Romney (as opposed to legacy entrees like Dubya). I personally got into Harvard's MBA program, without a rich legacy entree that G. W. Bush had, although I personally chose to attend a more quantitatively rigorous program, one in which I doubt that Dubya could have handled the higher level math.

[QUOTE=El Alamo; 427284]I have been telling you for months what Obama's grades were. Acumulative 1. 57 GPA with numerous stents on academic probation for lack of academic achievment (read lack of intelligence)

And the biggest hoax is that Obama claims he was cumma sum laude or some similar nonsense at Harvard. The best thing Obama's professors could say about Obama at Harvard was that when Obama quit selling drugs and quit using drugs Obama was able to raise his academic standard to D level.

Wow! I always thought I was just lucky. Now I get it. I wasn't lucky. I made my money off the stupidity of others. And in this world there is nobody as stupid as an Obama supporter. It takes an unique and total lack of intelligence to fall for a transpàrent fraude, fake and huckster such as Obama.[/QUOTE]The fact is, Columbia University lists Obama as having graduated with academic honors. I never heard Obama claim anything of the kind with respect to Harvard, but the Law Review officers are chosen by a combination of their academic standing and a vote of their peers in their class. One needs to be academically accomplished amongst their peers within Harvard Law School, as well as have superior interpersonal skills to be selected as the President of the Law Review.

[QUOTE=El Alamo; 427284]I have been telling you for months what Obama's grades were. Acumulative 1. 57 GPA with numerous stents on academic probation for lack of academic achievment (read lack of intelligence)

And the biggest hoax is that Obama claims he was cumma sum laude or some similar nonsense at Harvard. The best thing Obama's professors could say about Obama at Harvard was that when Obama quit selling drugs and quit using drugs Obama was able to raise his academic standard to D level.

Wow! I always thought I was just lucky. Now I get it. I wasn't lucky. I made my money off the stupidity of others. And in this world there is nobody as stupid as an Obama supporter. It takes an unique and total lack of intelligence to fall for a transpàrent fraude, fake and huckster such as Obama.[/QUOTE]Either your tin foil hat is on too tight, or you must be a buyer and heavy consumer of hallucinogens. In either case, you have my pity.

As an aside, you right wingers might find that people respected you and your arguments quite a bit more if you weren't coming from some sort of alternative reality that is complete and ridiculous fiction:

To wit: Try to actually make your case on the merits - there certainly IS a legitimate case to be made about the relative economic merits of Obama's programs compared to Romney's - although for sure, the more Romney shies away from specifics, the harder it is to make that case. If you wish to claim there are better approaches to foreign policy, go ahead and make them.

But, claiming stupid batshit crazy stuff, like Obama is a Kenyan, Obama is a Muslim, Obama is a Marxist, Obama didn't legitimately get his degrees from Columbia and Harvard, Obama didn't have anything more to do with our taking out Osama bin Laden than George W. Bush did, simply removes any credibility whatsoever from the person making those absurd claims, and anyone serious will dismiss your argument out of hand, and rightfully conclude that you cannot be considered even as a reasonable person with whom to have a dialog on the issues.

[QUOTE=Jackson; 427270]I guess we'll never really know exactly how academically accomplished Obama really is because...

1. Occidental College records. SEALED.
2. Columbia college records. SEALED.
3. Columbia thesis paper. SEALED.
4. Harvard college records. SEALED.
5. Selective Service registration. SEALED.
6. Medical records. SEALED.
7. Illinois state senate schedule. SEALED.
8. Illinois state senate records. SEALED.
9. Law practice client list. SEALED.
10. Certified copy of original birth certificate. SEALED.
11. Signed, embossed paper certification of live birth. SEALED.
12. Baptism record. SEALED[/QUOTE]After Romney's great acting performance, don't you have any better arguments against Obama than reviving conspiracy theories about his past?

[QUOTE]...and why is it that we've never heard from anybody who remembers Obama from his college days?[/QUOTE]They are out there, despite what Fox News may have reported. Here's one, google Carol Platt Liebau, she's a political analyst and commentator, who was at Harvard at the same time.

[QUOTE=El Alamo;427284]. I made my money off the stupidity of others. And in this world there is nobody as stupid as an Obama supporter. It takes an unique and total lack of intelligence to fall for a transpàrent fraude, fake and huckster such as Obama.[/QUOTE]Or is it a trade secret? I could use some extra income. As you know, life is a painful and longsuffering journey. Even just crossing the road is difficult and dangerous, never mind about Wall Street.

Let me guess, you are a bookie.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt; 427298]Or is it a trade secret? I could use some extra income. As you know, life is a painful and longsuffering journey. Even just crossing the road is difficult and dangerous, never mind about Wall Street.

Let me guess, you are a bookie.[/QUOTE]Well, Black Shirt, as you know, investing is more or less blind luck. However, it helps to have enough intelligence to stay away from investments such as electric forks, Solyndra etc..

The litmus test for the minimum intelligence needed to avoid investing in electric forks and Solyndra is whether or not you can detect BS when you see and hear BS. The simplest test for this is to ask yourself: Does Obama look and sound like a fake, fraud and huckster? If your answer is yes, you have the minimal intelligence for successful investing. If your answer is no, you will probably lose all your money investing in electric forks and Solyndra.

As you can see, Obama is not only a fake, fraud and huckster. Obama believes his own BS. He invested our money in solyndra and left us with the tab. Time to cut in two the credit card we gave Obama and return Obama to his true calling : Dealing drugs

Sorry for being a little behind the curve on responding to the GM / Chrysler 'Obama-ruptcy' filings but perhaps you should look up from all the Liberal B / S and see reality.

1. Neither GM nor Chrysler truly entered bankruptcy but instead received 'Obama-ruptcy' which violated the Chapter 13 Federal Bankruptcy statute. At no time did either company contemplate filing Chapter 7 for liquidation of the companies.

2. Obama was not about to permit either GM or Chrysler to enter into the normal Chapter 13 Bankruptcy process. Why? Should those companies have enter into Chapter 13 proceedings their LABOR CONTRACTS would most likely have been voided by the court and Obama could not permit his most ardent supports, unions and the UAW in specific, to have to renegotiate their wage and benefit packages.

3. What Obama-ruptcy did was to strip equity ownership from the legal owners and transfer a portion of it to the UAW while keeping their wage and benefit packages safe from total renegotiation.

There is no proof what so ever the Stimulus passed by Obama and the Democrats 'rescued' the economy from a second 'Great Depression' as Democrats would have us believe. The Stimulus was so effective our workforce participation rate is the lowest in over 30 years; more people are on welfare and food stamps than 4 years ago. Then magically somehow our unemployment rate falls while the economy, three years after the Official End of the Recession, chugs along at an enigmatic 1. 9% growth in GDP which is not enough to produce sufficient jobs for those entering the job market for the first time.

Even liberal economists are questioning the new 7. 8% unemployment rate when fewer jobs were produced in September than August, and fewer jobs in August than July, and the rate goes DOWN. Could there really be 800, 000 people who suddenly started their own home / self-employed businesses in September – more than all the jobs produced the entire year and right after the debacle of the debates?

There is one thing I have noticed, for the last several months' government agencies have been trumpeting economic activity figures then a few weeks later very quietly revise them downward, in some cases significantly.

And for the closing shot at our liberal friends;

I heard Obama's prepared weekly address and he sounded strong and confident, like the Obama of old. But of course he had his old friend T0TUS with him. You know Teleprompter Of The United States.

While I am sure he will study harder for the next debate and not find it such a 'drag' as he did before, his words not mine. He will still be only half a man without his beloved TOTUS at his side, having to face someone who does not drink the Kool Aid, hits hard and keeps coming back to uncomfortable realities instead of the drooling true believers from his rallies.

Have you noticed his rallies are getting smaller and smaller?

You are Wrong.

American Car Industries are on Top.

Romney said to file bankruptcy.

He is two Faced full of Lies.

He can not remember day to day what he said.

Too Bad.

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GM and Chrysler should have been allowed to follow normal Chapter 13 REORGANIZATION and not 'Obama-ruptcy'. No other company has been given such a pass, but I guess if you are in the Prez's corner Federal Law does not apply to you, I. E. Dept of Justice and Dept of Homeland Security.

Well WT69, I see you have reverted to the same tactic as your idol, Obama. When you can not win the argument on merit U-turn to name calling and personal attacks. After having his ass handed to him on October 3rd it's all Obama has left, name calling and personal attacks. What happened to HOPE & CHANGE?

WILD WALLEYE: I ask for a blonde.

ROMNEY: I was a blonde yesterday. If it helps, I'm still a blonde downstairs.

JACKSON: What do you mean you don't do BBJs?

ROMNEY: It hurts, I have some cold sores at the moment.

WT69: What do you mean you don't take foodstamps!

ROMNEY: Is that a real or fake Rolex. No matter, I'll take it.

TOYMANN: Jeepers! Who do you take me for, you trash! My dick is too good for you.

ROMNEY: I only ask you to pay up front, sir. You don't have to be President Menem. And your hair is too oily.

ESTEN: Hey, I am not stupid, that is not the body I saw in the picture.

ROMNEY: Not to worry, I can make you a happy man! Just close your eyes.

Enough of possible scenerios! That was Romney in the debate. So many switches, so many possibles. It was enough to make Obama speechless. I hope Michelle give him a few slaps!