American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[QUOTE=Punter127;441617]

That trumps your bullshit "process of deduction reasoning" and leaves it inconsequential. So you can scream your meaningless opinion from the fucking roof tops if you like, but at the end of the day I'll still be an independent, like it or not.

.[/QUOTE]Typical response of someone who has been exposed, and you're the only one screaming.

[QUOTE=Punter127;441599][B]Why so angry?[/B]

I just call it the way I see it.

I have an opinion, and you have yours, remember?

Are you could circle the wagons again, up to you.

Anyway I'm ROFLMAO.[/QUOTE]Actions over words.

[B]Now you guys are a tag team? Birds of a feather and all that.[/B]

[QUOTE=RcCollins;441620]Typical response of someone who has been exposed, and you're the only one screaming.[/QUOTE]Typical, really? I thought it was rather original, Oh well.

OK OK you got me, you're right I've been "exposed," now everybody knows I'm an independent voter.

ROFLMAO.

[QUOTE]An independent voter, often called an unaffiliated voter in the United States, is a voter who does not align him or herself with a political party. An independent is variously defined as a voter who votes for candidates and issues rather than on the basis of a political ideology or partisanship; a voter who does not have long-standing loyalty to, or identification with, a political party; a voter who does not usually vote for the same political party from election to election; or a voter who self-describes as an independent.

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_[/URL](voter). [/QUOTE]Guys I don't even vote in primary elections because I refuse declare a party affiliation, I wouldn't expect either of you to understand that. I will let the cat out of the bag and tell you a little secret, years ago I was a registered Democrat. But

"I didn't leave the Democratic party, the Democratic Party left me. ".

Time to get back to the issues now, we're a bit off topic.

[QUOTE=Esten;441616]248,000 jobs created in September, and a 69,000 jobs upward revision for July and August. As a chief economist at RBC Global Asset Management said today, [I]"This is a very muscular report. Its showing powerful job creation, no matter how one cares to slice it."[/I]. Once again, more evidence that Republicans lied to the American people when they said the Affordable Care Act would be a big jobs killer.

Does Obama get the credit? Partly. But most of it is simply because we have a fundamentally private-sector driven capitalist economy. The structure of the U.S. economy hasn't changed significantly because of anything Obama did.

Wet blanket Republicans will continue trying to make things sound bad anyway they can, like Dccpa posting about the LFPR. I wonder if he can explain why the decline in LFPR is a bad thing (which he seems to imply), and what the underlying causes are.

This is an excellent jobs report, and a milestone to have brought the unemployment rate back into the 5's. All Americans should see this as a good thing.

[URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/10/03/hiring-rebounds-in-september-unemployment-rate-falls-to-5-9-percent/[/URL][/QUOTE]I laughed my ass off at that news yesterday. The stock market is on the brink of falling sharply and magically, months of employment get revised upwards. Just think, the way the government counts unemployment, we should be at about 4% when Obama leaves office. The 1. 9% lower unemployment rate won't be people finding jobs, the government excluded them.

Esten, if you don't understand why a decline in the LFPR (ie. Less people employed) is a bad thing, explaining it will not do any good. But I will make one attempt. These people are no longer working, but their unemployment benefits have run out and the government has stopped counting them as unemployed. A majority of families need two incomes to maintain their current lifestyles. Now take away one of the two jobs and tell me that isn't a bad thing for them. With extremely few exceptions, most of the people I know work because they have to. Take away their jobs and tell me it isn't a bad thing. Those people didn't retire, they lost their jobs and have given up finding new ones. But hey, their lack of work isn't a bad thing.

Two branches of the Federal Reserve have issued reports stating that Obamacare is hurting the US economy. Get to spinning Esten.

[URL]http://www.sovereignman.com/trends/federal-reserve-survey-obamacare-is-hurting-the-economy-15116/[/URL]

It takes about 190,000 jobs each month for the high & college graduates entering the market.

[QUOTE=Punter127;441627][B]Now you guys are a tag team? Birds of a feather and all that.[/B]

Typical, really? I thought it was rather original, Oh well.

OK OK you got me, you're right I've been "exposed," now everybody know I'm an independent voter.

ROFLMAO.

Guys I don't even vote in primary elections because I refuse declare a party affiliation, I wouldn't expect either of you to understand that. I will let the cat out of the bag and tell you a little secret, years ago I was a registered Democrat. But

"I didn't leave the Democratic party, the Democratic Party left me. ".

Time to get back to the issues now, we're a bit off topic.[/QUOTE]Yes, an "ilk" team by default. Of course, you have never been part of a tag team on AP! Ok, the mirror is foggy again. By the way, you do roll on the floor more than my dog. Watch out for the fleas!

Dccpa, the LFPR can decline simply because people retire, or go (back) to college, or any other number of reasons why a person able to work does not. So the LFPR is not inherently a bad thing. The retiring baby boomer population is in fact a primary reason for the declining LFPR over the past decade, especially the last five years. Your characterization of all these people hurting because their unemployment benefits ran out, is beyond simplistic. I knew your response would be weak, but never expected it to be so ridiculous.

Usually, the right wing LFPR argument is that large numbers of people are giving up looking for jobs because of a poor economy. However, not even that argument passes muster anymore. The number of so-called 'discouraged workers' has dropped steadily since 2010 (in parallel with the dropping unemployment rate). Just last month, the number of discouraged workers shrank to 698,000 from 775,000 the prior month.

Drop in U.S. Labor Force Hard to Pin on Discouraged Workers
[URL]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-03/drop-in-u-s-labor-force-difficult-to-pin-on-discouraged-workers.html[/URL]

Here's another interesting statistic: [B]2014 is on track for the strongest year of job creation since 1999[/B]. Imagine that, a year stronger than any year under the great, failed experiment of Bush's laissez-faire free market capitalism. And the strongest year is the year the Affordable Care Act was rolled out.

[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/upshot/republicans-maintain-edge-in-senate-races-poll-finds.html?ref=us&_r=0&abt=0002&abg=1[/URL]

Can the Democrats manage to hang on to the Senate? Probably, but as you know, anything can happen. But what is amazing is that AP is so quiet on this subject that there might as well be no elections. And oh yes, I need to keep my big mouth shut. Nothing to haunt me next month just in case the GOP win the lottery. I would be toast, then. But I promise not to crow if & when the Democrats retain the Senate. And the witch-hunt is averted.

[URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/aides-despite-denials-knew-of-white-house-tie-to-cartagena-prostitution-scandal/2014/10/08/5b98dc90-4e7e-11e4-aa5e-7153e466a02d_story.html?hpid=z1[/URL]

Breaking scandalous news just published in the Washington Post today; apparently a White House staffer (political appointee, son of a Obama campaign donor) brought a prostitute to his room at the Hilton in Cartagena and the White House engaged in a significant coverup (including putting three investigators on administrative leave, forcing IG office to soften findings of investigation) to prevent the scandal from influencing the November 2012 presidential election.

"Your characterization of all these people hurting because their unemployment benefits ran out, is beyond simplistic. " My statements are based upon daily interactions with businesses and their employees. I guess only having facts instead of ivory tower theories puts me at a disadvantage. Please inform my clients that gave up looking for work that they voluntarily retired. They will feel so much better about themselves. For those under 62, they don't have a job or social security. With nothing but time and nothing to lose, the new game is to do whatever it takes to qualify for disability. That subject is worthy of its own post. Here is an article that shows how much disability claims are increasing. But hey, at least they aren't unemployed anymore.

[URL]http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-09/number-us-citizens-disability-now-larger-population-greece[/URL]

And going back to the topic of fraudulent government employment data:

[URL]http://nypost.com/2014/10/06/denver-census-staffer-brings-data-falsification-to-light/[/URL]

Her claims are only regarding falsification of data within the DOL. Data sent to the DOL is false. So, you have false data that is further manipulated by the US Government.

If Republicans take the Senate, it will be stalemate. Since I don't trust either party, I really like the idea of stalemate.

[QUOTE=Esten;441648]Dccpa, the LFPR can decline simply because people retire, or go (back) to college, or any other number of reasons why a person able to work does not. So the LFPR is not inherently a bad thing. The retiring baby boomer population is in fact a primary reason for the declining LFPR over the past decade, especially the last five years. Your characterization of all these people hurting because their unemployment benefits ran out, is beyond simplistic. I knew your response would be weak, but never expected it to be so ridiculous.

Usually, the right wing LFPR argument is that large numbers of people are giving up looking for jobs because of a poor economy. However, not even that argument passes muster anymore. The number of so-called 'discouraged workers' has dropped steadily since 2010 (in parallel with the dropping unemployment rate). Just last month, the number of discouraged workers shrank to 698,000 from 775,000 the prior month.

Drop in U.S. Labor Force Hard to Pin on Discouraged Workers
[URL]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-03/drop-in-u-s-labor-force-difficult-to-pin-on-discouraged-workers.html[/URL]

Here's another interesting statistic: [B]2014 is on track for the strongest year of job creation since 1999[/B]. Imagine that, a year stronger than any year under the great, failed experiment of Bush's laissez-faire free market capitalism. And the strongest year is the year the Affordable Care Act was rolled out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElAlamoPalermo;441690][URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/aides-despite-denials-knew-of-white-house-tie-to-cartagena-prostitution-scandal/2014/10/08/5b98dc90-4e7e-11e4-aa5e-7153e466a02d_story.html?hpid=z1[/URL]

Breaking scandalous news just published in the Washington Post today; apparently a White House staffer (political appointee, son of a Obama campaign donor) brought a prostitute to his room at the Hilton in Cartagena and the White House engaged in a significant coverup (including putting three investigators on administrative leave, forcing IG office to soften findings of investigation) to prevent the scandal from influencing the November 2012 presidential election.[/QUOTE]Whereas any European or other sensible person would say, "So the fuck what?" A prostitute influencing an election. Right. By the way, I don't really give a shit about the elections since I just figure out how best to fuck with whatever system I'm presented. [B]But[/B], there will be no "hanging chads" in my municipality because I, Dickhead, will be the independent voter on the Resolutions Committee to determine voter intent.

And I am independent in the same sense that Punter is independent, only opposite!

[QUOTE=Dccpa;441692]If Republicans take the Senate, it will be stalemate. Since I don't trust either party, I really like the idea of stalemate.[/QUOTE]This. Absolutely this, and nothing but this. In fact, think of the money we could save by just declaring a 50/50 split between the two parties. Each state gets one Republican senator and one Democratic senator. This in and of itself would guarantee that absolutely nothing got done. Eventually everyone in Washington could just go home. And the debates would be interesting for a couple of weeks or so.

That communist muslim is still hell bent on ruining the country. The Congressional Budget Office announced this week that last year saw the deficit drop nearly one-third. This was the fifth year in a row of a falling deficit and it's now at a level lower than the average for the past 40 years.

Is Sean Hannity still screaming about Obamas out of control spending? I don't watch his show so perhaps one of Fox News' regular viewers could enlighten us.

[URL]http://profit.ndtv.com/news/economy/article-us-fiscal-2014-budget-deficit-down-at-486-billion-report-676727[/URL]

[QUOTE=Dccpa;441692]...the new game is to do whatever it takes to qualify for disability. That subject is worthy of its own post. Here is an article that shows how much disability claims are increasing. But hey, at least they aren't unemployed anymore.

[URL]http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-09/number-us-citizens-disability-now-larger-population-greece[/URL][/QUOTE]For Democrats the increase in disability claims is a good thing because every person receiving disability payments is a permanent "bought and paid for" Democrat voter.

Of course the USDA Food Stamp program is a much more efficient program for this purpose as the price per voter is much cheaper, which is why John Podesta spent his out-of-government years running a wildly successful Democrat program that recruited food stamp recipients in a way that the Federal Government is prohibited from doing directly.

Thanks,

Jax.

[QUOTE=SteveC;441722]That communist muslim is still hell bent on ruining the country. The Congressional Budget Office announced this week that last year saw the deficit drop nearly one-third. This was the fifth year in a row of a falling deficit and it's now at a level lower than the average for the past 40 years.

Is Sean Hannity still screaming about Obamas out of control spending? I don't watch his show so perhaps one of Fox News' regular viewers could enlighten us.

[URL]http://profit.ndtv.com/news/economy/article-us-fiscal-2014-budget-deficit-down-at-486-billion-report-676727[/URL][/QUOTE]Or as we say in the real world, every year under BO has resulted in a budget deficit higher than in any of his predecessors' worst years. Nice try at spinning the pathetic.

[QUOTE=Jackson;441723]Of course the USDA Food Stamp program is a much more efficient program[/QUOTE]I don't think the food stamp program is very efficient. I used almost half of mine just to mail the watermelon.

Democratic politicians buy off the average American with 'benefits' (sometimes good and sometimes BS) while Republicans are BOUGHT off by the *Cock* (Koch) Brothers and Corporate America. Payback is a *****.

The Republican base is dying off with the death of every white male, over the age of about 45, and in perhaps 20 years will only be able to control the House. As long as they continue to on hate on gays, women and all minorities (pretty much anyone who is not white and male) they will ever so slowly become a regional party. For now, the *Cock* brothers money will buy elections but eventually Repubs (of which I was one 20 years ago) will find themselves isolated from the young (as they are more and more now), women and minorities.

Just hope for a slight change in the Supremes and that may override the Citizens United decision which would mean no more buying of elections (at least via so obvious and direct means, that is). The US is really MORE corrupt than most other countries because they actually legalize their political corruption whereas in other countries it is still illegal but it is done anyway.

I actually feel a bit sorry for Repubs still trying to live in the 1950's. It is a new time, a new country-learn to adjust whether we like it or not and evolve in the new society or become extinct. Time to progress-JUST A LITTLE.

Happiness to all (unless u watch Fox the foremost, but not exclusive, purveyor of fear, hate and anger).

Stowe.

[QUOTE=Jackson;441723]For Democrats the increase in disability claims is a good thing because every person receiving disability payments is a permanent "bought and paid for" Democrat voter.

Of course the USDA Food Stamp program is a much more efficient program for this purpose as the price per voter is much cheaper, which is why John Podesta spent his out-of-government years running a wildly successful Democrat program that recruited food stamp recipients in a way that the Federal Government is prohibited from doing directly.

Thanks,

Jax.[/QUOTE]